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I bought something on Ricardo about 3 weeks and immediately made a payment.

Shortly, the seller sent me an email and another recipient that he mixed our items and sent me the product intended for the other buyer and mine to his.

He gave us the option if we would like to directly exchange or if we should send him the items and he would send us the correct ones when he received them.

I wanted to be on the safe side and told him I will send him directly the product he sent by mistake so he can send it to the other guy himself. This way, if I and the other guy exchanged, and something was wrong with the products, it would be difficult to hold anyone accountable.

Anyway, to be even safer, I chose not to accept the wrong product, so they can send it back to the sender intact.


Shortly the sender began to throw tantrums about why I didn't exchange, and he didn't get the product after 1 week waiting and he would charge me for it.

So, I went to the post office to ask and I was told the product was returned and the sender, and he definitely should have received the product. I told the sender this and showed him the yellow collection notice I got by post to prove that I never collected the product.

During this time the other guy is also sending email to the seller threatening him for not receiving his product.

Anyway, shortly the sender acknowledges the item was returned by the post but to the wrong address and he doesn't know why this happened.

I told him this is not true, because the post office confirmed to me that the item was sent to the sender and not another address.

Also the seller said the other guy has sent me directly the product 2 weeks ago, and as a proof he showed me an envelope with my name on it. Which I didn't receive at all.

Anyway, I finally told him if he doesn't send me the product I purchased I would pursue legal action.

So today he reimbursed me the money I payed via Twint, and canceled the purchase putting the reason of cancellation as "the buyer has returned the product"

He knows the only product that was returned was the wrong one and I have never received anything else.

During all this email exchange between me the two guys, I noticed in fact there was no third person. The sender had created another email, and was leading me to believe there was another one involved. Because, during exchange he forgot to change emails and sent me two or three times his message to me but with the other guy's email.


Now I have a notification in my Ricardo dashboard telling me if I will accept the cancellation of the transaction because "I returned the product"


It is obvious what is going on here, but should I accept the cancellation and move on with my life or is there something to do, to make sure people like this don't take advantage of other vulnerable people.

I am willing to commit between the effort I have to put to see this through.
If it is difficult, then I will move on.
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I would at least report it to Ricardo so that they can ban the account.
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Old 15.07.2020, 20:41
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Can you explain, simply, how he was supposed to profit from his shennanigans?
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Old 15.07.2020, 20:43
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Yep, if you have the e-mails proving he was trying to be the second buyer then report it to Ricardo with all the evidence you have.
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Old 15.07.2020, 21:27
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I would report him without hesitation.
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Old 15.07.2020, 21:41
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I wanted to be on the safe side and told him I will send him directly the product he sent by mistake so he can send it to the other guy himself. This way, if I and the other guy exchanged, and something was wrong with the products, it would be difficult to hold anyone accountable.

Anyway, to be even safer, I chose not to accept the wrong product, so they can send it back to the sender intact.
So you did not do what you actually told the seller. Which basic meant that it sat around until the Post go around to returning it.....

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So today he reimbursed me the money I payed via Twint, and canceled the purchase putting the reason of cancellation as "the buyer has returned the product"
How exactly was this scam going to work according to you.... I can't see it myself.
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So you did not do what you actually told the seller. Which basic meant that it sat around until the Post go around to returning it.....

Yes, I told him this. It was safer to reject it and have the product delivered to him same address and same condition.

How exactly was this scam going to work according to you.... I can't see it myself.
Because he didn't back down until I threatened a lawsuit (a bluff on my part). The item he put for sale was 185.- and brand new, which I got for 40.-
So he probably tried to get away by sending me a used polaroid tablet (the wrong item) or who knows what he was thinking.

Why even cancel the purchase? If he has the original product he intended to sell, along the one I returned. Why couldn't he ship it to me? All of this is without mentioning the email mixup and the article which he claimed the other guy shipped to me. If the other guy shipped it, then why refund me and cancel the shipment?
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Can you explain, simply, how he was supposed to profit from his shennanigans?
Well, I suppose the scammer would have been trying to get the OP to accept a swap instead of a return, and at some point the OP would receive a broken product or receive no product at all and the scammer would be out of the loop because it was "the other guy"'s fault. The OP would end up without the money and without a product.

He returned the money as he the OP threatened legal action and if he took things further the scam would have been discovered.

Definitely report, if he's genuine he may end up with just a warning, if it's a scammer it would be obvious to ricardo that he has tried it before.
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Old 16.07.2020, 03:50
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Because he didn't back down until I threatened a lawsuit (a bluff on my part). The item he put for sale was 185.- and brand new, which I got for 40.-
So he probably tried to get away by sending me a used polaroid tablet (the wrong item) or who knows what he was thinking.

Why even cancel the purchase? If he has the original product he intended to sell, along the one I returned. Why couldn't he ship it to me? All of this is without mentioning the email mixup and the article which he claimed the other guy shipped to me. If the other guy shipped it, then why refund me and cancel the shipment?
It was not a scam just a major screw up. Scammers donít provide you with payment details that are easy for the police to trace and they the donít encourage their victims to meet up in person. And they donít waste time haggling over a small amount of money with the victims...

I expect the seller got feed up with the situation and did the ONLY thing he could do on Ricardo - cancel the transaction and refund the money.

From experience, scammers tend to be very lazy, they want access to quick cash not complicated transactions.
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Old 16.07.2020, 06:22
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Anyway, shortly the sender acknowledges the item was returned by the post but to the wrong address and he doesn't know why this happened.

I told him this is not true, because the post office confirmed to me that the item was sent to the sender and not another address.

Also the seller said the other guy has sent me directly the product 2 weeks ago, and as a proof he showed me an envelope with my name on it. Which I didn't receive at all.

Anyway, I finally told him if he doesn't send me the product I purchased I would pursue legal action.

So today he reimbursed me the money I payed via Twint, and canceled the purchase putting the reason of cancellation as "the buyer has returned the product"

He knows the only product that was returned was the wrong one and I have never received anything else.

During all this email exchange between me the two guys, I noticed in fact there was no third person. The sender had created another email, and was leading me to believe there was another one involved. Because, during exchange he forgot to change emails and sent me two or three times his message to me but with the other guy's email.
How much feedback does this seller have? Is he new to Ricardo or an established store?
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It was not a scam just a major screw up.
It's interesting that you talk about this so definitively despite clearly not knowing any of what you are saying as fact.

I have been using auction sites since the last 25 years and while I do not claim to be an expert, to me this behaviour is fishy as hell and sets many alarm bells ringing. The guy invented email addresses, fake customers that he sent her emails FROM by mistake, he is going to an effort to behave dishonestly and duplicitously... and you think it's "all a big screw up"?

Some scammers/fraudsters are just stupid and/or inexperienced at what they are doing and you cannot 100% say that this person was not trying to pull a fast one.

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Old 16.07.2020, 07:10
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Now I have a notification in my Ricardo dashboard telling me if I will accept the cancellation of the transaction because "I returned the product"




I am willing to commit between the effort I have to put to see this through.
If it is difficult, then I will move on.
Sounds like he tried to palm off the used item. Ricardo only offers a set number of standard replies that may or may not not suit the circumstances. You did return the product because it was the wrong one.
Well done - nothing much more you can do other than complaining to Ricardo and giving the seller a negative review with the your reasons.
I buy and sell a lot on Ricardo. Have had many many more positive experiences than negative
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Old 16.07.2020, 10:46
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Sounds like he tried to palm off the used item. Ricardo only offers a set number of standard replies that may or may not not suit the circumstances. You did return the product because it was the wrong one.
Well done - nothing much more you can do other than complaining to Ricardo and giving the seller a negative review with the your reasons.
I buy and sell a lot on Ricardo. Have had many many more positive experiences than negative
Since the OP refused the delivery we have no idea what was in the parcel...
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Old 16.07.2020, 10:56
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seems like a hell of a lot of work for 40chuffs
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Old 16.07.2020, 11:01
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It's interesting that you talk about this so definitively despite clearly not knowing any of what you are saying as fact.
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May be seven years investigation experience plus the associated training and regular updates help.... 99% of the convoluted Iím being scammed but I cannot see how it works have a simple explanation- people FU.
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Old 16.07.2020, 11:04
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seems like a hell of a lot of work for 40chuffs
Some people prefer a conspiracy theory to a simple answer.
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I disagree on the comment about a bank acount being 'secure identification' enough to prevent a scam. My son was scammed on ricardo for a computer item for around 200chf. The seller claimed to have sent, but it was never sent. A false post receipt was used as 'evidence' of sending.

My son reported it to Ricardo, they blocked the account, but he also reported to the local police. They took his report very seriously. He was asked to do a formal statement, and the scammer was caught and charged.

My son didn't get his money back, but he was notified of the real identify of the scammer and the police/legal system advised when the person was formally convicted. It was treated as a criminal case. Clearly this was not a one-off.

This was finalised maybe about 12 months ago. The process from scam to conviction was less than a year...
I would definitely report to Ricardo with your email trail as evidence, and they probably will ban the users account.

Personally, I was just impressed with my 17 year old for taking charge of the legal system - he handled the police report and everything himself.
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May be seven years investigation experience plus the associated training and regular updates help.... 99% of the convoluted I’m being scammed but I cannot see how it works have a simple explanation- people FU.
So your 7 years of investigative experience tells you that the guy made an 'honest mistake' by inventing an imaginary third party and sending emails to them, then accidentally sending emails to the OP from that fake address that was supposed to be someone else? Also that if someone is selling a brand new item worth 185.- for 40.-, over four times less, then it's just, erm... a really good deal?

Seems like the perfectly logical conclusion. Just out of interest, did you have many successful investigations?

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Not if he intended it to be quicker and easier and also if he is doing it to multiple people on a regular basis. Then it all adds up.
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So your 7 years of investigative experience tells you that the guy made an 'honest mistake' by inventing an imaginary third party and sending emails to them, then accidentally sending emails to the OP from that fake address that was supposed to be someone else? Also that if someone is selling a brand new item worth 185.- for 40.-, over four times less, then it's just, erm... a really good deal?

Seems like the perfectly logical conclusion. Just out of interest, did you have many successful investigations?



Not if he intended it to be quicker and easier and also if he is doing it to multiple people on a regular basis. Then it all adds up.
mcdonalds would still pay more with less effort
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mcdonalds would still pay more with less effort
The only problem being that you would have to, y'know, go and work in McDonalds.

You also don't know what other scams he potentially has on the go with more expensive items, they likely aren't all 40chf, pricing is probably situational and down to whatever he can get his hands on.
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So your 7 years of investigative experience tells you that the guy made an 'honest mistake' by inventing an imaginary third party and sending emails to them, then accidentally sending emails to the OP from that fake address that was supposed to be someone else? Also that if someone is selling a brand new item worth 185.- for 40.-, over four times less, then it's just, erm... a really good deal?

Seems like the perfectly logical conclusion. Just out of interest, did you have many successful investigations?
Except he did. Like I said, some people prefer to believe conspiracy theories
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