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Plumbing joint question

Swap out old dishwasher, swap in new. Should be simple, yes?

Only it isn't, since the new dishwasher plumbing won't connect... Oh, well, close off the valve... but how?

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The valve at the top with the flat blade screw head is for the taps. I want to turn off the one that the dishwasher should connect to at the bottom of the thing.

Any ideas? No part of that apparent valve seems moveable at all.
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Old 17.07.2020, 16:02
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Re: Plumbing joint question

The square bit on the lower one is what should turn. That usually has a handle of some sort, and the hole is for a screw to hold the handle in.

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The square bit on the lower one is what should turn. That usually has a handle of some sort, and the hole is for a screw to hold the handle in.

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yes. The valve was removed because of the lack of clearance with the vent/drain pipe (White PVC).

Use some pliers to turn the square part - ensure you are supporting the main valve body in the opposite direction.

I guess my question is: isn't it already turned off since there is no water gushing out of the lower tap?
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The square bit on the lower one is what should turn. That usually has a handle of some sort, and the hole is for a screw to hold the handle in.

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That's it! Brilliant. thanks
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yes. The valve was removed because of the lack of clearance with the vent/drain pipe (White PVC).

Use some pliers to turn the square part - ensure you are supporting the main valve body in the opposite direction.
I tried that, but couldn't get any purchase.

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I guess my question is: isn't it already turned off since there is no water gushing out of the lower tap?
Yes, at the mains, but I'm getting desperate for a pee...

Anyway, I've just reconnected the old dishwasher... got it back just before my wife loaded into into the car to take to the dump. I'll try again another day.

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Old 17.07.2020, 16:23
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Re: Plumbing joint question

So you have to remove the sink drain pipes before you can isolate the water supply to the dishwasher - another quality bodge.

Check that the new dishwasher has an aquastop inlet valve (it should do - Miele one's certainly do. This will shut off the water if the water inlet pipe gets damaged and will stop your kitchen flooding.
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So you have to remove the sink drain pipes before you can isolate the water supply to the dishwasher - another quality bodge.
Hah, that's nothing compared with some of the cowboy DIY work I find in our chalet every time I do something. Latest was a bath drain, where the screw that holds the metal and seal down to the plastic parts underneath was no longer able to grip in the plastic, so they'd just covered the whole lot in silicone and wedged it underneath with some blocks of wood and tiling. Probably been that way for decades, but it started to leak just a couple of days before we had guests arriving last week

I had to bodge it too, the exact shape of the drain and U trap being no longer available (and a complete replacement not practical without first removing the bath) but using an extra nut and a washer to hold the screw correctly in place and with a new seal, it's a bodge I'm happy to leave that way.
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Old 17.07.2020, 16:56
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So you have to remove the sink drain pipes before you can isolate the water supply to the dishwasher - another quality bodge.
No. That's the dishwasher drain. It's not so bad!
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Re: Plumbing joint question

There is a lot of verdigris on that valve stem which tells me it may have been leaking by and probably bound up. It may need to be repacked, or you can get lucky with this pro tip: whack it with a hammer and see if the stem will break free.

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or you can get lucky with this pro tip: whack it with a hammer and see if the stem will break free.
Heh.

I used to work on cargo ships when I wer' lad, and there were two conflicting rules of maintenance.

Deck branch: If it moves, grease it, if it doesn't move, paint it.
Engineering branch: If it moves, grease it, if it doesn't move hit it with a fsk off lump hammer until it does move, and then grease it.
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Old 17.07.2020, 17:16
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No. That's the dishwasher drain. It's not so bad!
The large pipe is the sink drain. The dishwasher drain feeds into that. It's the large pipe that is preventing you from using a valve wheel to cut off the water.
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Old 17.07.2020, 17:22
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Engineering branch: If it moves, grease it, if it doesn't move hit it with a fsk off lump hammer until it does move, and then grease it.
And if it still won't move, 'it it wiv a bigger 'ammer.

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The large pipe is the sink drain. The dishwasher drain feeds into that. It's the large pipe that is preventing you from using a valve wheel to cut off the water.
Ah yes. Crap design.
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Re: Plumbing joint question

I much better with computers. I just threaten them with an axe and they generally start behaving again.
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Heh.

I used to work on cargo ships when I wer' lad, and there were two conflicting rules of maintenance.

Deck branch: If it moves, grease it, if it doesn't move, paint it.
Engineering branch: If it moves, grease it, if it doesn't move hit it with a fsk off lump hammer until it does move, and then grease it.
Our CPO had a similar philosophy:
- If should move and doesn't - WD40 (failing that resort to the lump hammer)
- If it moves and shouldn't - duck tape (failing that weld it)

All going well until one day: "Can't you just weld it"... "No Chief, it's plastic"... "Bloody new ships" and he walked off in disgust.
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Re: Plumbing joint question

That looks awful, I didn't know that such a valve exist, with double head, learned something new...looks very french
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Re: Plumbing joint question

Pliers will be no good - you need a wrench. Maybe change out the whole valve. Aren't you using a standard (dish)washing machine hose to connect to the dishwasher?



PS you usually have at least one flush left in a toilet after the water has been shut off or use the 'urinal'.


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