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Old 12.08.2020, 14:06
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

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Of course they can. The fine is similar to the following offenses:

- Not perfectly aligning piles of paper of paper
I'm just not OCD enough to make those perfect stacks of paper so I've given up and I just chuck all the paper for recycling into a large box and chuck it in the container at the recycling depot when I next passing it.
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Old 12.08.2020, 14:08
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Thinnk yourself lucky you just got a fine. In the UK, they refuse to take your rubbish away and you're stuck with it until the next collection, which can be 3 weeks away.
so they can send it by ship for landfill or to be burnt in some South Asian country...
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I did not receive any warning letter first
Maybe phone them and ask. Controversial?
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Is it actually illegal to put recyclable things in the normal taxed rubbish bags?
I thought the taxed bags were to encourage people to recycle, I didn’t think it was an obligation to do so.
I have no idea, I've always recycled, ever since egg box days in infant school.
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Old 12.08.2020, 15:29
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

Short answer is yes, there is no legal issue, but more that than here in Switzerland they do lots of things which you would never imagine legal from abroad - especially when it comes to garbage...

I give you my last example, a letter to our house to tell me off for dropping a plastic recycle bag late night before you were allowed to do it - they must have looked up my car plate from a video and got the address (and bear in mind I have blocked public data access to my car plates..) this is not a policeman sending me a warning, but some public random... The power and the Glory



Did teach me a lesson though
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Old 12.08.2020, 15:37
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so they can send it by ship for landfill or to be burnt in some South Asian country...
Most likely.
I got stung on a glass collection in the UK 2yrs ago. The blue/glass bin was full and I'd put a glass lamp shade in it. The whole lot got left behind with a note saying what I'd done wrong.
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Old 12.08.2020, 15:40
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

Yes, it’s legal especially if you break the rules of waste removal. Otherwise how do they catch you? But, what were you really fined for? Not having a paid sticker/correct trashbag, having sharp objects inside, unable to close it so everything fell out? Surely, it wasn’t because you put recyclable things into a paid trashbag. I‘m not proud of it but I do that all the time. I was under the impression as long as you pay for it, you can throw anything into the trash (excl. dangerous things such as glass, batteries, heroin needles). I can’t imagine it’s ‚illegal‘ to pay to throw out the milk container.
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Most likely.
I got stung on a glass collection in the UK 2yrs ago. The blue/glass bin was full and I'd put a glass lamp shade in it. The whole lot got left behind with a note saying what I'd done wrong.
We don't separate glass by color.

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Old 12.08.2020, 15:56
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We don't separate glass by color.

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How very woke of you.
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Yes, it’s legal especially if you break the rules of waste removal.
Surely, it wasn’t because you put recyclable things into a paid trashbag. I‘m not proud of it but I do that all the time. I was under the impression as long as you pay for it, you can throw anything into the trash
I'm confused. You seem to understand the rules of waste disposal, yet you freely admit that you can't be arsed with doing a bit of recycling like the rest of us. On the plus side, you're not proud of it. So why not make yourself proud and feel better about yourself by doing the right thing?

And no, you can't put just about everything in the rubbish bag. Electricals, metals etc need to be recycled.

Check out your local waste disposal website and learn how to do it properly.
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

I assume you have a shared weighted container without offical sacks? In that case they will check to avoid people throwing recycling in there, which can either lead to fines from the public trash company or simply to increased cost due to more weight.
If you use official sacks, in many places it's banned to put recycling in there, or there is a weight limit, and the trash company will open them, this is public information. Indeed most people who disposes of trash not correctly (e.g. bus stop) is very careful with not putting personal info in there.
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Old 12.08.2020, 16:09
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If you use official sacks, in many places it's banned to put recycling in there, or there is a weight limit,.
Any actual reliable source for that? Never heard of such a rule.
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

Unless OP has misunderstood who sent the letter s/he must live in a serviced apartment where the owner collects up the domestic waste from the tenants and dispose of it commercially - paying lots more for non-recyclable waste and having some house rules about separating trash). Only the “Bin Police” from the Stadt or Gemeinde responsible for trash collection can impose a fine.

As for people going through your trash…. Welcome to Switzerland.



Incidentally, there's no law, in Zurich at least that says you must seperate your trash. If you want to put a PET bottle in a ZuriSack you can. The fact PET recycling is free and ZuriSack's aren't is just to encourage the population to recycle more.
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I did not receive any warning letter first
Quite strange. As others commented, fines are only given by local authorities (gemeinde/commune). And, there's an abfallpolizei with all the rights to open and inspect your trash, so it was not the building management.

In the building where I live, management only reminds us to not discard plastic in the compost box. All neighbors got a letter than compost will not be handled communally if people keep putting plastic there, that everyone will be responsible for compost and we get a 10 CHF discount from the nebenkosten. Albeit, it was a refusal of service, not a fine.

When you mentioned "not separated the garbage correctly" it doesn't mean recycling paper, carton or glass but putting there some things strictly forbidden like batteries, electronic devices, solvents, oil, etc.

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Old 12.08.2020, 16:46
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Re: How legal is to open garbage?

I always thought there was some kind of legal Police or the like who could inspect rubbish bags in Switzerland.


Mainly they were looking for Batteries and the like that should NOT be put in rubbish.


I have great admiration for Switzerland and how they recycle much.




Anywhere in the world I would not put personal documents in rubbish.


Shred them or tear them up or burn the parts with personal information. If thieves find personal information it might be used for Identify theft. I have known this to happen to a neighbour in UK.
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:43
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Hi all. Today happened to me a real nice situation.
The agency that rent me the flat sent me a letter with pictures of my opened garbage where they identified me by my personal documents. They sent me a fine to pay because I have not correctly separated the garbage.

How legal is this action to open garbage and identify me?


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It is illegal Plus they can't hand out fines.

It is legal to be done by the "trash-people" though - and they do it as well!

On top of it, it really depends what they (the "trash-people") do find in there to decide to fine you. Explosives, chemicals, batteries ..... Not for pet and paper and stuff, which is a) a pity if you don't separate it and b) pretty stupid as you can get rid off that for free.

I would say there is one exception though: If you throw your trash into the house-container in a unpaid bag. They can still not fine you directly though, they would have to report you to the police.
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It is illegal [to open and inspect others people trash].
Reliable source for that?
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A private person or company can not give your a fine. That is plain rubbish. So what are you talking about? Trash?

So: What are you accused of, by whom, and what penalty is there? YOu know best is to have an anonymized photo of your demand.

To answer you question: I am not aware about a law which would make it illegal. Hence, most likely fully legal.
This is written: Vier nicht gebührenpflichtige Säcke + zwei Karton , arbeit inkl. Tansportweg. What does it mean exactly? My German is not so good.
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Any actual reliable source for that? Never heard of such a rule.
It's in some gemeinde trash regulations (for example art. 11 comma 2 https://www.comano.ch/Rifiuti-691c9d00 in this case very explicit, less so in others) and sometimes also written on the sacks themselves. While it's forbidden I do not know if they dish out fines unless you expose a sack full of glass.

But I guess the OP put an electrical appliance or something like that in the sack and not a beer bottle.
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This is written: Vier nicht gebührenpflichtige Säcke + zwei Karton , arbeit inkl. Tansportweg. What does it mean exactly? My German is not so good.
It is not a fine. It is a bill for work and service.
Apparently you put 4 non-taxed garbage bags plus two carton boxes in the container. They removed them and disposed them properly.

How to avoid: Use the designated taxed garbage bags (Gebührensack) or put the local garbage tax sticker (Abfallmarke) on the bags.
You can get bags/stickers at the local post office or grocery store. Anything which goes into the container must be in a bag as you are charged by the volume.
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