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Has anyone pointed out the obvious flaw in this post? One is a photo of a living human being and the other is a cartoon image.
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(I just hope no one points out the obvious flaw that one is a photo of a living human being and the other is a photo of three living human beings. )
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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.
Yes they are an odd bunch and painful at times. I like to remind them we’re here to do the jobs they can’t do despite their so called wonderful education system.

At the end of the day it’s their culture and country, if we don’t like it we can head somewhere else but every country has its quirks.
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What happens most of time is that people doesn't realize there's a problem that fast. After all, no one is expecting trouble on a tram, it's stressful to live at that level of awareness. It's not lack of interest, it just takes time to realize there's a problem.

On being helpful physically, I used to think like this when I was 20 but the real world is a bit more complex. As an average man with average height and build, sometimes getting into the argument worked as a deterrent. Sometimes the other guy(s) were just looking for a fight and I got my ass kicked. Sometimes, men and women are able to de-escalate a conflict that might end awfully just by talking. So, why go first for physical intimidation instead of talking? It might end in one guy being sent to the slaughterhouse.
I read it as an excuse to not react in a situation that needed addressed. Don't worry, you're not the only one who thinks this way, it's understandable but that alone doesn't make it right. And no, I'm not pro-violence at all but a bunch of teenagers are more impressed by a man not by a woman. Like it or not, it is what it is. We're not gender blind.
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I read it as an excuse to not react in a situation that needed addressed. Don't worry, you're not the only one who thinks this way, it's understandable but that alone doesn't make it right. And no, I'm not pro-violence at all but a bunch of teenagers are more impressed by a man not by a woman. Like it or not, it is what it is. We're not gender blind.
According to modern feminist doctrine men and women are the same. Therefore it makes no difference whether it's men or women who react.
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When it comes to physical needs, especially when a woman is attacked, a man will be able to handle it better much better than a woman. Stupid argument...
You do not watch Brasilian soaps right? In Resume, fight scenes is always women
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The "no balls" thing, that I sadly have to agree with...perhaps it is the decades of remaining "neutral" in times of conflict?

Who doesn't talk about their friends in private? I mean I can't tell my friend to her face that we all know her husband is gay...so I chat about it with my husband.

The Swiss are very independent...but once you engage them and make an effort, things rapidly improve. Especially if you find a common topic... I have a Swiss boss (old school type) who used to ignore me & I thought she hated my guts. Now that she's discovered I like hiking, she brings me maps from her weekend trips and shares photos etc..she now engages me more on any topics at work. Happy I hung in there.
How do you know he's gay? (Just nosy lol)
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Re: Swiss people. The masters of passive aggressive notes

Is the same everywhere...I've been an ex-pat in several countries, in the beginning, they always look to you as an intruder, but after you make yourself 'useful' for them...things start softening...
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According to modern feminist doctrine men and women are the same. Therefore it makes no difference whether it's men or women who react.
That's what I tell my fellow volunteer firefighters when they insist on trying to carry heavy stuff for me. Dude, I know what I signed up for and it's not much use trying to be chivalrous in an emergency, I need to be able to do the same as everyone else.

Oh wait, is that not what you were trying to imply here? Funnily enough, we don't really have any radical feminist women in the fire brigade, or at least none that I have come across.
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That's what I tell my fellow volunteer firefighters when they insist on trying to carry heavy stuff for me. Dude, I know what I signed up for and it's not much use trying to be chivalrous in an emergency, I need to be able to do the same as everyone else.

Oh wait, is that not what you were trying to imply here? Funnily enough, we don't really have any radical feminist women in the fire brigade, or at least none that I have come across.
That is because some woman just are and some just talk about it.
Guess, the talkers wouldn't last long in the fire brigade.
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Yes, it's very sad you talk about the Swiss behind their back on an expat forum.
This is the chicken and egg problem.
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Old 16.08.2020, 08:42
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That's what I tell my fellow volunteer firefighters when they insist on trying to carry heavy stuff for me. Dude, I know what I signed up for and it's not much use trying to be chivalrous in an emergency, I need to be able to do the same as everyone else.

Oh wait, is that not what you were trying to imply here? Funnily enough, we don't really have any radical feminist women in the fire brigade, or at least none that I have come across.
I don't know how these situations are comparable, why on earth one wouldn't carry heavy stuff if that's one of the job's prerequisites. It's actually quite dumb not to learn or practice stuff needed for a profession/occupation one chooses. Would police women be exempted from learning to shoot or fight? Of course not, they would be a danger for themselves and for society.

It was about casual conflict and aggression or whatever nastiness we sometimes see in the street/public transport etc and people/men just looking somewhere else and minding their own business. Funnily enough, it's mostly women who interfere in such situations, well at least according to my experience. Not always very effective, but at least they try. I never asked them if they were radical, non-radical or whatever sort or shade of feminists (if at all), because that's really not the point here.

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Can anyone link me to the thread on American & English people living abroad, the masters of outright aggression & arrogance to perseverate over their habitually annoying habits/expectations while living/profiting in our country?
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This is the chicken and egg problem.
Maybe, but my point was the OP was complaining about the Swiss while doing the same thing he was accusing the Swiss of doing. I don't think passive-aggressive behaviour (some call it non-confrontational, conflict avoidance, politeness) is the monopoly of any nationality.

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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.

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I open my mailbox and...... THERE IT IS!! The golden paper, the pos-it of all post-its:

Dear neighbor,
You are too loud. Your adorable dog is also loud. Your beautiful daughter is the loudest. Please calm the fork down.
Notes like this is are not so common in the UK. You'd more likely get your tyres slashed or a lump of dog shit posted through your letterbox.
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Can anyone link me to the thread on American & English people living abroad, the masters of outright aggression & arrogance to perseverate over their habitually annoying habits/expectations while living/profiting in our country?
You can always create your own thread on that, and indeed almost any other subject.
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That is because some woman just are and some just talk about it.
Guess, the talkers wouldn't last long in the fire brigade.
Says the woman who probably didn't even try. Indeed some just talk.
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That's what I tell my fellow volunteer firefighters when they insist on trying to carry heavy stuff for me. Dude, I know what I signed up for and it's not much use trying to be chivalrous in an emergency, I need to be able to do the same as everyone else.

Oh wait, is that not what you were trying to imply here? Funnily enough, we don't really have any radical feminist women in the fire brigade, or at least none that I have come across.
No, it's not what I meant, I have no problem with strong (for lack of a better term) women, competence speaks for itself. This is what modern feminists seem to lack, they'd rather paint themselves as the victim of an imaginary patriarchy rather than stand up for themselves.
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Urs Max, could you perhaps post a few links setting out the mindset, the particular segment of womenhood or feminism that bothers you?

This is a genuine question, because when you write about "modern feminist doctrine" and "modern feminists" you seem to be describing a certain attitude to life which I simply don't know and don't understand.

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... I have no problem with strong (for lack of a better term) women, competence speaks for itself. This is what modern feminists seem to lack, they'd rather paint themselves as the victim of an imaginary patriarchy rather than stand up for themselves.
I cannot think of any girl or woman I've met in the past few decades, of any persuasion, (progressive, liberal, conservative, egalitarian, alternative, integrated, serious, wild, boring, scathing, educated, illiterate, religious, anarchistic, devoted, businesswoman, employee, unemployed, homeless, married, single, polyamorous, lesbian or hetera, mother or not, aged 10 to 100, in Europe or elsewhere) who would rather paint herself as the victim of real or imaginary patriarchy, than stand up for herself.

I'm not saying you haven't encountered such women. Nor am I saying there aren't issues around gender and sex. But since you repeatedly refer to that view on life, and I don't know who those women are, perhaps I'd better be able to understand who/what you mean, were you to post some links to women who, in your opinion, are representatives of what you mean by "modern feminism" or a charta which sets out their "modern feminist doctrine".
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The alarm clock starts its melody at 6:45.

Wrongsty wakes up, prepares energetic black substance, drinks dark matter, and tries to wake up the little princess. Kindergarten ain't waiting.

Piles of shirts start flying, my home turns into a Bollywood clone of Matrix, dog starts barking... Sh$t its almost 7:30, we are late. Kiss kiss wife, bye bye, dog still barking.

Grüezi, hoi, hallo kindergarten adios. Back home, today I'm feeling lazy. Hey boss, I'm working from home.

I open my mailbox and...... THERE IT IS!! The golden paper, the pos-it of all post-its:

Dear neighbor,
You are too loud. Your adorable dog is also loud. Your beautiful daughter is the loudest. Please calm the fork down.

I also left her a post-it:

Dear neighbor,
You are hereby cordially invited to our morning ceremony.

Later that day we had a nice conversation. She is now our dog-sitter.

And people here say the swiss are cold... BAHHHHH they are just shy and like to have penpals.


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Says the woman who probably didn't even try. Indeed some just talk.
You are a very logical person. I often agree with your conclusions. I also know that ideas, concepts with corresponding consequences and behavior are so often not logical. I am not sure if that makes them wrong, just that people differ in what makes stuff "logical" for them.
 




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