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Swiss people. The masters of passive aggressive notes

The alarm clock starts its melody at 6:45.

Wrongsty wakes up, prepares energetic black substance, drinks dark matter, and tries to wake up the little princess. Kindergarten ain't waiting.

Piles of shirts start flying, my home turns into a Bollywood clone of Matrix, dog starts barking... Sh$t its almost 7:30, we are late. Kiss kiss wife, bye bye, dog still barking.

GrŁezi, hoi, hallo kindergarten adios. Back home, today I'm feeling lazy. Hey boss, I'm working from home.

I open my mailbox and...... THERE IT IS!! The golden paper, the pos-it of all post-its:

Dear neighbor,
You are too loud. Your adorable dog is also loud. Your beautiful daughter is the loudest. Please calm the fork down.

I also left her a post-it:

Dear neighbor,
You are hereby cordially invited to our morning ceremony.

Later that day we had a nice conversation. She is now our dog-sitter.

And people here say the swiss are cold... BAHHHHH they are just shy and like to have penpals.
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Old 12.08.2020, 15:54
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And people here say the swiss are cold... BAHHHHH they are just shy and like to have penpals.
That makes me Swiss, then.

Cool story! Penpals are awesome.

I was on the train yesterday, there was a group of UK teens who were eating chips (crisps then, I guess) really loudly, with their mouths open. A bunch of other passengers actually left the carriage because of the noise.
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Dear neighbor,
You are hereby cordially invited to our morning ceremony.
I misread that as "mourning ceremony" - and then assumed you'd had dog put down and daughter shipped off to boarding school. You know - really make the neighbour feel guilty.
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Old 12.08.2020, 16:17
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Re: Swiss people. The masters of passive aggressive notes

Your post reminded me about a story from a good friend of mine who lives in Geneva.

His family emigrated from Portugal in the late 60s and father was working hard just like any other fresh immigrant here, often working double shifts, night etc. They were the only foreigners living in the building

One night at about 10pm the police knock on the door to say they have received complaints from neighbor that they are too loud.

Police enters to find all of his family already in bed and sleeping only the father having a soup
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A bunch of other passengers actually left the carriage because of the noise.
And the virus risk as well. What happened to their face masks?
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And the virus risk as well. What happened to their face masks?
Under their chins, not unusual in the resto section.
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That makes me Swiss, then.

Cool story! Penpals are awesome.

I was on the train yesterday, there was a group of UK teens who were eating chips (crisps then, I guess) really loudly, with their mouths open. A bunch of other passengers actually left the carriage because of the noise.
I sometimes think about making an electronic device that emits an extremely loud beep at a frequency high enough to be inaudible for anyone 45 and older...
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Old 12.08.2020, 18:53
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I sometimes think about making an electronic device that emits an extremely loud beep at a frequency high enough to be inaudible for anyone 45 and older...
Exists for kids already, banned in some countries as a baby will hear it and not be able to get away from it. Kids have used the same frequencies for ringtones so teachers can't hear.
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Exists for kids already, banned in some countries as a baby will hear it and not be able to get away from it. Kids have used the same frequencies for ringtones so teachers can't hear.
Now here is a solution. Allowed/available in Switzerland?
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Re: Swiss people. The masters of passive aggressive notes

From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.
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Now here is a solution. Allowed/available in Switzerland?
Looks like it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito
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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.
The comradery might come in a different way...People think it is indiscrete to barge in somebody's business and want to show how to do/do it themselves/etc. Personal responsibility sometimes goes against the idea of annonymous team spirit. But the minute you ask, they are very helpful. In an unintrusive way. At least in my experience. And I've been working here for a long time. So I guess it depends.
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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad.
Canít say that Iíve met a single nationality in 30+ years that does not engage in that kind of behavior from time to time, I think itís called human nature.
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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.
Yes, it's very sad you talk about the Swiss behind their back on an expat forum.
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From my experience the Swiss typically have no balls and stab each other in the back, friendly to your face, but in private they talk negatively about you and even their own "friends". Very sad. Most notable difference between where I currently work and where I worked in the UK (same company and same business unit) is the Swiss dept has almost no comradery or team spirit, very sad to see considering how well they live here.
The "no balls" thing, that I sadly have to agree with...perhaps it is the decades of remaining "neutral" in times of conflict?

Who doesn't talk about their friends in private? I mean I can't tell my friend to her face that we all know her husband is gay...so I chat about it with my husband.

The Swiss are very independent...but once you engage them and make an effort, things rapidly improve. Especially if you find a common topic... I have a Swiss boss (old school type) who used to ignore me & I thought she hated my guts. Now that she's discovered I like hiking, she brings me maps from her weekend trips and shares photos etc..she now engages me more on any topics at work. Happy I hung in there.
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That but I disagree with the no balls thing. Maybe it took 15 years I am here to see this - but conflicts here -> rude. It is simply polite. Whether people from elsewhere have a different ideas of manners...is another thing. But I know a lot of selflessness and guts here. So people nag about passive aggressive, while locals laugh. It is not passive aggressive, it is polite and they'll let you know when they disagree. Just don't expect an aggressive scene as could quickly be the case elsewhere.
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That but I disagree with the no balls thing. Maybe it took 15 years I am here to see this - but conflicts here -> rude. It is simply polite. Whether people from elsewhere have a different ideas of manners...is another thing. But I know a lot of selflessness and guts here. So people nag about passive aggressive, while locals laugh. It is not passive aggressive, it is polite and they'll let you know when they disagree. Just don't expect an aggressive scene as could quickly be the case elsewhere.
What? Is not lack of integrity as implied on a different thread?

I think "elsewhere" only an aggressive/vehement disagreement can pass as a disagreement. Most people I know don't do that, so perhaps there's a consensus in regards with good manners after all.
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That but I disagree with the no balls thing. Maybe it took 15 years I am here to see this - but conflicts here -> rude. It is simply polite.
I am not speaking of simple disagreements, which of course the Swiss are far more polite and that is appreciated. I am speaking of when someone witnesses someone being abused or doing something wrong & they don't stand up to say something & help. I've sadly witnessed this multiple times. Anytime there is something "too dramatic" for them going on, some of them seem to bury their heads in the sand.
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I am not speaking of simple disagreements, which of course the Swiss are far more polite and that is appreciated. I am speaking of when someone witnesses someone being abused or doing something wrong & they don't stand up to say something & help. I've sadly witnessed this multiple times. Anytime there is something "too dramatic" for them going on, some of them seem to bury their heads in the sand.
I am sorry you witnessed a lot of this...Can't say that it is prevalent where we are, maybe because we are in boonies? People are really mixed, too, so come from everywhere, loads of TI folks here who are temperamental in that good way of voicing one's concerns? But maybe small communities have more directness, less of that anonymous blend? But I do have researchers, musiciands and teachers around more than not, maybe we are just more outspoken.

I have noticed this shyness though - ie if people feel like they don't know enough about an issue, they will not interfere, in all modesty. It is a good thing, I think. It is not selfish nor passive. Just not presumptuous.
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EF is a mixed bag of cultures and the passive aggressiveness here can be staggering. I agree that itís just human nature.
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