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Old 17.08.2020, 15:10
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Re: Anglophones people. The masters of aggression & arrogance

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My guess is that a lot of locals and expats did not have the relief of going abroad for the summer, everything feels oppressive, a lot of stress and frustration in the air, thus all the complaints.
fair point actually. i've seen on other sites many expats/ friends in Singapore who are going stir crazy on that small island as they can't go jet off on holidays (or back home even.) that is where the gripes and complaints start about locals vs foreigners.

We used to take it for granted the freedom of travel.
Will be interesting to see the impact of Covid on expat life (also the overseas swiss who are returning here)
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Old 17.08.2020, 15:11
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That is as old as time itself ( well almost), I have (as a born and bred Swiss) written elaborately in various media channels about this and treid also to explain some, often unwritten,rules, traditions, behaviours of the Swiss to the various Expats ... already 20 yrs ago.
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What do mean by unwritten rules - is this practical stuff like taking your shoes off before entering a home - or something on another, deeper level?

Bringing the thread back on topic - I'm trying to think of unwritten rules that the English have (can't speak for other countries) for comparison.

I suppose the one about Swiss always being punctual could be compared withe the English one of it being considered polite to be a little late for a dinner invitation (at home) because the hosts will inevitably be running a little late.
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Old 17.08.2020, 15:15
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So your post is against all English speaking people who come to Switzerland to live and work?
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Sorry but that seems pretty arrogant and aggressive to me...
He/she is being neither arrogant nor aggressive.
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Old 17.08.2020, 16:34
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...Having lived here then left for a long period and now returned I observed most of my expat friends are still here. So most of them do like it here (as opposed to other countries where expats leave after 2-5 yrs)
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Old 17.08.2020, 17:25
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Re: Anglophones people. The masters of aggression & arrogance

I don't really get why people think the Swiss are unfriendly tbh. I worked with a number of Swiss when I was in a bank in London and there were no problems (one guy was from Basel). I also wouldn't say I've had any issues with unfriendliness in the time I've been here, we have Swiss friends through OHs job and we've been to each other's places for dinners and BBQs. The Japanese men I worked with in London were a different matter, now they really were people who didn't like making small talk (one boss I had admitted to me that Japanese men in general were not comfortable with it). Mind you that was in the 80s - early 90s so I expect things have changed with the younger generations.

I did join an ex-pat club at the beginning of the year because I wanted a German conversation group but after I'd been a few times I kind of realised I felt bit out of my comfort zone when I went to a couple of aperos; I thought it was a wee bit of a clique where your face had to fit. I also joined a local Treffpunkt and hope to do some things there as it's getting going again. I've gone beyond caring about my less then great German and will just keep trying, if I conquer it before I retire to Scotland I'll have achieved something

My friends back in Scotland and London are a diverse mix of different cultural backgrounds and nationalities and I enjoy their company when I get to see them, particularly my best friends who are gay as we have an outrageously good laugh. Every woman should have at least one gay male friend
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Old 17.08.2020, 18:13
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No, it isn't.
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He/she is being neither arrogant nor aggressive.
This is hardly a well reasoned counter argument...
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Old 17.08.2020, 18:16
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This is hardly a well reasoned counter argument...
No well reasoned counter argument is required.
All that's required is to read the original post.
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No well reasoned counter argument is required.
All that's required is to read the original post.
I've read the original post and found it quite annoying. Lawd knows why it received so many 'thanks'. If the OP has issues with particular English speaking people who think "everything here needs to conform to what you were used to" then by all means s/he should challenge them. I agree with him/her that this is not a good thing to do, and would be supportive. The problem is that in my own limited experience, this describes a minority of English speakers living in Switzerland and yet the thread title is "Anglophones people. The masters of aggression & arrogance" which suggests that the OP thinks that it's a general truth about those who speak English. (BTW, do you mean English speakers or native English speakers? They're quite different demographics.)

As for the point that the forum sometimes has posts that whine about "the Swiss" (whatever that means) or the lifestyle, sure, that's true. But it's NOT the case that there are no counterarguments. Come off it!

There is plenty of advice dispensed to people who like to moan about this lovely country and the people who live here.

And by the way, if he thinks that most of the whiners are native English speakers, the OP is quite wrong. Pitiful whimpering is absolutely NOT their preserve, as the original post so richly illustrates. Everyone's at it.
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Old 17.08.2020, 23:45
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I've read the original post and found it quite annoying. Lawd knows why it received so many 'thanks'. If the OP has issues with particular English speaking people who think "everything here needs to conform to what you were used to" then by all means s/he should challenge them. I agree with him/her that this is not a good thing to do, and would be supportive. The problem is that in my own limited experience, this describes a minority of English speakers living in Switzerland and yet the thread title is "Anglophones people. The masters of aggression & arrogance" which suggests that the OP thinks that it's a general truth about those who speak English. (BTW, do you mean English speakers or native English speakers? They're quite different demographics.)

As for the point that the forum sometimes has posts that whine about "the Swiss" (whatever that means) or the lifestyle, sure, that's true. But it's NOT the case that there are no counterarguments. Come off it!

There is plenty of advice dispensed to people who like to moan about this lovely country and the people who live here.

And by the way, if he thinks that most of the whiners are native English speakers, the OP is quite wrong. Pitiful whimpering is absolutely NOT their preserve, as the original post so richly illustrates. Everyone's at it.
Totally agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. I've given it a well deserved groan (and I don't normally give groans).

How about NOT making broad sweeping generalisations about people based on their national origins. Whether that's Swiss or anglophone.
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Old 18.08.2020, 08:32
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Totally agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. I've given it a well deserved groan (and I don't normally give groans).

How about NOT making broad sweeping generalisations about people based on their national origins. Whether that's Swiss or anglophone.
Great idea. Wonder how many threads reflect this balance?
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Old 18.08.2020, 15:35
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Great idea. Wonder how many threads reflect this balance?
Ungroaned you. Perhaps that was a bit too far.

I still think its unnecessarily provocative though! I agree with your sentiment that its not ok for expats to come in and expect everyone to wait on them.
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Old 18.08.2020, 16:17
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Great idea. Wonder how many threads reflect this balance?
There's never going to be a balance - it will always be one-sided. That's the nature of the forum.

Of course, if enough expats leave and only Swiss remain on the forum, then perhaps things may change.

If you really want a comparison, you need to compare this forum with an expat forum in the U.K. where threads will include, for the U.K:

"Why are my fish and chips so greasy?"
"Anyone know where I can buy raclette cheese?"
"I know it's a first-world problem but I've run out of Aromat - help!".
"Why are all the people so drunk on a Saturday night and why do they all want a fight?"

Or the U.S:

"Where can I buy unbleached chicken?"
"Where's the nearest Wholefoods supermarket?"
"What type of Swiss cheese is 'Swiss cheese' because I have no idea?"
"Why is your president so orange?"
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Seems the forum has a propensity of threads periodically popping up to take a prejudiced swing at the people of the country in which we reside. We do not however have any threads on the introspection needed/recommended for anglophones who have made the choice to move here yet fail to integrate/assimilate or carry on without incessant complaining & finger pointing.

The masters of outright aggression & arrogance who perseverate over their habitually annoying habits/expectations while living/profiting in Switzerland - what can or should these myopic souls do for assistance?
  1. Learn the local language - no one has any excuse not to have learned basic words like hello, thank you, please
  2. Learn the local culture
  3. Abandon the precepts that everything here needs to conform to what you were used to. If you moved here it should be predicated on the assumption that you will need to adapt, not the other way around
  4. Suisse are not really into small talk like anglophones are - friendships require an investment of time to develop. The reputation is that you do not care much about Suisse so hiding your ignorance and making an effort can be rewarded in the long run. Patience


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Their history is slightly more than passive aggression, just ask the Indians and the Irish.
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Their history is slightly more than passive aggression, just ask the Indians and the Irish.
At least half of us thought Cromwell was an arse.
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No well reasoned counter argument is required.
All that's required is to read the original post.
And understand it's a bit satirical.
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Their history is slightly more than passive aggression, just ask the Indians and the Irish.
Slightly?

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Their history is slightly more than passive aggression, just ask the Indians and the Irish.
or the Germans...
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We used to take it for granted the freedom of travel. Will be interesting to see the impact of Covid on expat life (also the overseas swiss who are returning here)
Indeed.

I love my new home country and can lightly make fun of the things I find strange here. This has only been possible these past 10 years because I need to get out of Switzerland to a place I feel more like myself at least 2-3 times per year. I have integrated myself well, but have never felt like I am "home".
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