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The military, arn´t these the guys who get the spares for the nuclear launch computers from e-bay?
That's the ones. They have little to do nowadays other than maintain this really retro cool look with tape reels and phosphor screens.
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LOL you guys are funny. Your right, consumer tech has surpased the military tech fron the U.S and Israel.

Anyways here is that linky link.
https://rense.com/general96/Navy-Mic...Brief-1971.pdf
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HAAA...you kill me. The author of the website that posted that "research" is complety cuckoo. He's an racist, anti-semitic, COVID-denialist, anti 5G idiot.

Check it out...www.rense.com. Here's a few articles from his homepage:
- How A Simple But Fatal Math Mistake By US CV 'Experts' Caused The World To Panic And Order Lockdowns
- OECD Exposes 15 Trillion Reasons Why US Schools Need To Open Now!
- Gates Shifting Global Health Priorities To His Pet Projects Made World Less Ready To Tackle Pandemic
- They Did It - Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Jewish) Israel Did 9/11 - Vid

And some banners from his homepage:








Do you really read that BS?
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Judge the study, not the web site. Jesus christ.
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Judge the study, not the web site. Jesus christ.
I did. Your 14-page document is only an index. There's not a single mention of either radiation frequency, emission power, zit...nothing. Furthermore, there's not a single mention to "weapons".

Have YOU read it?
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I did. Your 14-page document is only an index. There's not a single mention of either radiation frequency, emission power, zit...nothing. Furthermore, there's not a single mention to "weapons".

Have YOU read it?
Well I am sorry about that. The problem with M.R's is some are available at source (.gov) but most are not. Quite a few are scrubbed from the internet, or show up from time to time on random websites such as the one above which I have never heard of before until I posted it. So how are YOU so familiar with such a site??
Yes I have read the whole report back in 1997 when I was in the military.
Anyways I have a real life outside of making snide remarks on E.F
For those of you who are actually interested in the info this study contains then you can finish the search for the whole document. The index of the link I posted should help you on your journey through google land. Good luck. If you find it post it here.

Sorry Chemie, hope to see you on the ice. I quite. E.F has devolved into nothing but no life having trolls. Peace out.
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So how are YOU so familiar with such a site??
I am not familiar with it. I saw the name of the site in the link you provided: https://rense.com/general96/Navy-Mic...Brief-1971.pdf

So if you ignore the directory structure of where the PDF is hosted (it's in the server's /var/www/html/general96/ directory), and just look at anything before the first slash, it tells you what website it is. In this case it's rense.com. So I went in there (instead of clicking on the link, I typed the URL), and checked the homepage. It doesn't take a lot to see the owner is not all there. The top of the homepage looks like this:



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There are a lot of concerns with millimetre wave technology, it affects the cells in our bodies and suppresses our immune system.

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1053072...ctricSense.pdf
Please..... at least read the link before posting. Not any idea what or where that website is ???
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Wondering if we’ll have a decent 5G network in the next decade.... so bored of waiting and no info out there
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Re: 5G tower on roof

Small update.


I attended a 'town hall' meeting about 5G with a panel consisting of Swisscom Public Affairs, Schutz vor Strahlung, and City of Zurich non-ionizing radiation expert.


The majority of the discussion was similar to this thread - some hippy BS, Swisscom guy knowing how to deal with them etc, and 'simple' technical descriptions.


When I got my chance to ask my question (using a lot of the great information some of you shared with me here), I ended asking the Expert, and the Swisscom guy: "Would you feel OK having your wife/children/pets, that close to a 5G tower.


The expert said No!, the Swisscom guy refused to answer.


At the apero after during casual discussion, they both told me, the best solution for me was to find a new place to live.
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I apologize, as I don't understand what you mean. I mentioned that the 15 V/m is a very weak electric field, comparable to very small, unshielded kitchen appliances. You are correct, small or not, the field is not a concern if you're only standing in front of it for longer periods of time (as you would, sleeping under an antenna), but the power decreases exponentially with distance.
surely it decreases only quadratically with distance...
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Old 22.06.2021, 15:38
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Small update.


I attended a 'town hall' meeting about 5G with a panel consisting of Swisscom Public Affairs, Schutz vor Strahlung, and City of Zurich non-ionizing radiation expert.


The majority of the discussion was similar to this thread - some hippy BS, Swisscom guy knowing how to deal with them etc, and 'simple' technical descriptions.


When I got my chance to ask my question (using a lot of the great information some of you shared with me here), I ended asking the Expert, and the Swisscom guy: "Would you feel OK having your wife/children/pets, that close to a 5G tower.


The expert said No!, the Swisscom guy refused to answer.


At the apero after during casual discussion, they both told me, the best solution for me was to find a new place to live.
AfaIk, the 5G antennas need to be closer to eachother? Like there need to be more of them than until now? Was that the new style of telling people to "go home"?

Not having bothered too much about the 5G discussion so far, the experts answer is a bit disturbing? In a public meeting where - if I got that right - they tried to convince the neighbourhood?
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AfaIk, the 5G antennas need to be closer to eachother? Like there need to be more of them than until now? Was that the new style of telling people to "go home"?

Not having bothered too much about the 5G discussion so far, the experts answer is a bit disturbing? In a public meeting where - if I got that right - they tried to convince the neighbourhood?
The meeting was more for people who are anti 5G. Most of the discussion was to educate people about its actual safety and for people to bring up their concerns. Cancer, corporate responsibility, etc.

I mean the tower will probably go up and the only decent argument against was 'we should be taking advantage of fiber and personal routers'. Of course Swisscom's rebuttal was that cellphones and routers were a much larger source of radiation and much closer - citing the 6 V/m limit on 5 G towers and the general distance away the towers are (compared to cellphones and routers).

So I brought up my specific situation - where Swisscom found a bit of a legal loophole which allows them to emit 10x more with a direct light-of-sight just a few meters from 1/3 of our living area.

They said "well make sure not to use that area for more than 2 hours a day, or find a new place to live'. Of course that was during the apero, during the recorded discussion - Swisscom would not answer. Corporate responsibility indeed.
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In the UK, towers have been torn down by protesters. I guess it takes a few times before companies consider it better from a cost/benefit point of view to relocate than continually repair/replace.

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In the UK the towers have been torn down. I guess it takes a few times before companies consider it better from a cost/benefit point of view to relocate than continually repair/replace.
“the towers”?
does that mean all ?

My view is, 5g is lower power than previous generations but at different frequency. No evidence that that living near a phone mast has any effect on health for 2g,3g,4g .

I agree living in close proximity to a mast might give anxiety. Like living near a high voltage pylon.
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Interesting take on it! thanks Axa


Rent reduction has been tough with our flat providers, they are pretty legally savvy and i feel we get screwed over a lot.



Wondering if it was time to join a Mieterverband if it was worth the money.



It will definitely be an eyesore, affecting the entire balcony view - but generally I'm not the type to fuss about appearance.



On the other hand, if I'm always overheating and feverish in my own home, and perhaps even the gonad can't cool down enough to spawn offspring - I'm a bit more worried.

Is the Antenna directly on your roof? Is it operational? If so, I guess you have had installers working on it. Did they interrupt your electricity service when there?


Without revealing your address, can you send a photo of “as is” antenna (from street maybe)? Showing how fixed, height etc. How much above roof is the tip showing ?
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Without revealing your address, can you send a photo of “as is” antenna (from street maybe)? Showing how fixed, height etc. How much above roof is the tip showing ?

It hasn't been built yet, still not approved. But there is the 'Baugespanne' directly on our roof. I would say a few meters showing - closest point 1.8 m away (I can touch the bottom of the Baugespanne with a hockey stick).
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surely it decreases only quadratically with distance...
Indeed. A shocking error, but perhaps the poster is non-technical and didn't realize the difference.

Now, what does the quadratic reduction in the field strength tell us about the nature of reality?
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It hasn't been built yet, still not approved. But there is the 'Baugespanne' directly on our roof. I would say a few meters showing - closest point 1.8 m away (I can touch the bottom of the Baugespanne with a hockey stick).
You know they're made for hitting. Hard hitting.

So what are you planing to do? Move away? (Fat chance of solving the problem ), start a scientific project including all family members and their reactions?
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Indeed. A shocking error, but perhaps the poster is non-technical and didn't realize the difference.
Actually I am "technical" (physics grad), and considering that quadratic is a polynomial function with an exponent of 2, one could say that I wasn't technically wrong. But I wrote that (probably, I can't remember now, it was months ago) in a rather non-technical, metaphorical sense.
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