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Re: Swiss COVID app: potential infection alert

hehe I understand - I've had the app since the day it was available.
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Old 20.08.2020, 19:07
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How long have you had the app? So zero notifications? I am tempted to install it myself but I really suffered by over analysing everything when the whole Covid thing started, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole all over again!
A mate of mine is part of the team that developed it, so I've had it since before it was officially available. I commute via tram twice a week and usually end up going shopping in the evening when it's busy. So far, no notification popped up, just the weekly (I think?) updates telling me what it has been tracking.

If you think about it, it's not surprising: I'm not sure what the latest figures for number of people who have installed the app are but it is probably something like 20% of smartphone users that have actually installed it? So the odds of it alerting you are pretty small.
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Old 20.08.2020, 19:21
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I'm not sure what the latest figures for number of people who have installed the app are but it is probably something like 20% of smartphone users that have actually installed it? So the odds of it alerting you are pretty small.
I read at the weekend, taht there's been over 2 million downloads of the SwissCovid app.

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The people who have been notified can then call the infoline number in the app and find out what to do next. Their privacy is maintained at all times. If a person who has been notified has already developed symptoms of the disease, they should stay at home, avoid contact with other people, and do the coronavirus check or call their doctor.
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...t-tracing.html

With a high percentage of people being asymptomatic but covid carriers, it makes sense that a test will be given one way or another. Be thankful that you'd be offered a test without paying for it. I was quoted CHF 250 a few weeks ago because my symptoms weren't in the medical insurers limited list. Thankfully, it turned out to be an allergic reaction to a new toothpaste of all things.
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Old 20.08.2020, 19:56
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I read at the weekend, taht there's been over 2 million downloads of the SwissCovid app.
I wonder if that is total downloads or total devices that have downloaded it. About a week after it came out, there were a lot of problems with quite a number of devices and the only fix was to uninstall and reinstall it. Then the problem would go away and come back after a few days. Something about putting the phone in airplane mode caused a glitch, if I understood correctly. This has now resolved but it means that I've actually downloaded the app four times since it became officially available.
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Old 20.08.2020, 20:06
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A mate of mine is part of the team that developed it, so I've had it since before it was officially available.
Tell him it's sh*t.

It says it is installed on my phone but isn't. The phone says there isn't enough memory, but there is and the Android version is new enough.

Perhaps they should have tested it on a few more devices, especially older ones and not just the latest iPhone or Samsung.

No wonder the take up is so low.
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Tell him it's sh*t.

It says it is installed on my phone but isn't. The phone says there isn't enough memory, but there is and the Android version is new enough.

Perhaps they should have tested it on a few more devices, especially older ones and not just the latest iPhone or Samsung.

No wonder the take up is so low.
Well that's one way to get it installed. I just tried one more time (probably the sixth, and now it's installed).
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Tell him it's sh*t.

It says it is installed on my phone but isn't. The phone says there isn't enough memory, but there is and the Android version is new enough.

Perhaps they should have tested it on a few more devices, especially older ones and not just the latest iPhone or Samsung.

No wonder the take up is so low.
Trust me, he got plenty of feedback from my side, I felt a bit bad about WhatsApping him about the latest bugs all the time but he was happy to get the info.
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Old 20.08.2020, 20:23
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The whole family was tested for free just because their son went to the camp? Without any symptoms or proved contact with people tested positive? And this happened in Switzerland?
Well, the family decided to have their son tested as well as their other two kids because someone they knew was sick (though hadn't been tested for the virus), and their son had been in close contact with them; and they didn't want to send their kid to a camp with 30+ other kids not knowing if he could have the virus. And yes, the test was free. They had called the hotline, which told them to go to the Uster Spital's testing site, which was basically a tent just outside of the hospital.
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Old 20.08.2020, 20:25
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Re: Swiss COVID app: potential infection alert

Curiously, when you get a notification through that app that you've been near someone with the virus, does it tell you where you were exactly when you were near them? e.g. In Migros or a certain address. Or does it simply tell you that you've been near someone?
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Curiously, when you get a notification through that app that you've been near someone with the virus, does it tell you where you were exactly when you were near them? e.g. In Migros or a certain address. Or does it simply tell you that you've been near someone?
It just tells you that there was a contact, anything else would be a breach of privacy.
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Re: Swiss COVID app: potential infection alert

I think, it doesn't work on very old phones, because it uses new functionality developed specially for this purpose by Google and Apple.
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Curiously, when you get a notification through that app that you've been near someone with the virus, does it tell you where you were exactly when you were near them? e.g. In Migros or a certain address.
Of course not. It isn't supposed to have access to your location, otherwise it would not be let on the market. It's one of the requirements that it should know only some long number which represents another user of the app, whose phone was 1.5 m or less away from your phone during at least 15 minutes. Then it stores this record for 14 days and deletes it afterwards.
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Old 20.08.2020, 21:36
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Of course not. It isn't supposed to have access to your location, otherwise it would not be let on the market. It's one of the requirements that it should know only some long number which represents another user of the app, whose phone was 1.5 m or less away from your phone during at least 15 minutes. Then it stores this record for 14 days and deletes it afterwards.
Well, don't they need access to your location in order to know if you were near someone who is infected? I knew that they were trying to protect people's anonymity, but I guess I had no idea to what extent they were doing that, exactly.
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Well, don't they need access to your location in order to know if you were near someone who is infected? I knew that they were trying to protect people's anonymity, but I guess I had no idea to what extent they were doing that, exactly.
No, they don't. On Android you have to activate your location settings for the applications that scan Bluetooth devices, but the location info itself is not used by the Covid app. In fact, the developers even ask Google to drop this requirement (to activate the location) because then the developers cannot prove to the users that they don't use the location and track the distance between devices only using Bluetooth.

Google's requirements to the location are strange indeed. I don't like to pay via TWINT in my local Coop, because they use beacon and you have to activate the location before you move your phone to the beacon. While in Migros you can just scan the QR-code on the payment terminal and you don't have to activate the location.
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Re: Swiss COVID app: potential infection alert

If you’ve been isolating at home and get a “positive” after Uncle Fred came for tea, then it’ll be fairly easy to identify who it was. The white paper about the app recognised this as one of the potential privacy holes.
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If you’ve been isolating at home and get a “positive” after Uncle Fred came for tea, then it’ll be fairly easy to identify who it was. The white paper about the app recognised this as one of the potential privacy holes.
The target group for this app are people with active life, not the ones who isolate at home. I wonder why anyone would activate this app at all if he/she doesn't leave home.
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The target group for this app are people with active life, not the ones who isolate at home. I wonder why anyone would activate this app at all if he/she doesn't leave home.
Because they are neurotic.
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Old 21.08.2020, 10:40
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The target group for this app are people with active life, not the ones who isolate at home. I wonder why anyone would activate this app at all if he/she doesn't leave home.
They may not leave home but they may have visitors...
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If you’ve been isolating at home and get a “positive” after Uncle Fred came for tea, then it’ll be fairly easy to identify who it was. The white paper about the app recognised this as one of the potential privacy holes.
Why would that be problematic?
If it was unintentional - well, stuff happens, whereas if it was, then the infectee clearly should know.

Even privacy laws can be taken too far.
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Re: Swiss COVID app: potential infection alert

In case Uncle Fred comes to tea and he has the app activated.

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