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As a result of being stuck in the rat race, golden cage, whatever you want to call it, I frequently tell myself: give this up, go and do something more rewarding, more meaningful, less robotic. I’ve got a few ideas and the desire to act on them but the things that have prevented me so far have been the obvious ones; I have financial commitments, a family to feed, fear of failure etc.

Recently I’ve been thinking that there must be others like me who are also frustrated in their corporate worlds and just going through the motions. Hence my post.
I'm not sure this is the best time to break free , many people are losing their jobs as we speak. Don't be surprised if you won't find many enthusiastic "rebels".

I know people who started their own businesses but the times were more favourable. Others have left big corporations to work for startups, suffice to say they weren't that happy with the decision.
Tread carefully, especially if you have a family who counts on your income and the security it provides. After all, you're living in a foreign country and is not always easy to turn things around. I would wait. Plan more in the meantime.
Maybe what you need is a good, long holiday.

As a general rule, OH and I have long agreed that each can pursue whatever hobbies and interests but big decisions like that are to be taken together. I guess everyone has their own rules.

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Hi Susie Q, thanks for your helpful post. Yes, I am able to work from home and in some ways it does help but at the end of the day, for me anyway, I just want to spend my 8/9 hours a day doing something I really enjoy, rather than finding ways to make my existing career more palatable. Even if I move companies, adjust my role, or any of those things, I know from experience that it wont improve enough to bring me the satisfaction I want - to get out of bed in the morning really feeling like I have a meaningful purpose in my working life.

I have this scary thought that at the end of my working life I'll look back and think what the hell did I actually achieve (money aside) from all those hard years other than pleasing the boss, who pleased the big boss, who pleased the shareholders. Will I really care that my projects were delivered on time and within budget so that some guy in another department, in another part of the world could strike the next deal that made the company slightly more profit. I can't let that be the legacy of my work. I need something real, something tangible to look back on.

Anyway, hopefully we'll get to talk about the whole thing, Susie Q! Thanks again.

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I'm in the same boat, wanting to change my modus operandi starting March-April next year when I have to have a clear plan what I want to do after July 31st, when my B permit expires. I truly wanna do something else or still work with kids, however in a different way. I also want to see if I can have my own business or work together with other interested individuals from this platform. So, I'd be happy to meet up with anyone in favour of discussing what you suggested.
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.... I just want to spend my 8/9 hours a day doing something I really enjoy, rather than finding ways to make my existing career more palatable. ....
I want - to get out of bed in the morning really feeling like I have a meaningful purpose in my working life.
.... I need something real, something tangible to look back on.
If you do not yet know what that something could be, then I suggest trying out anything and everything you can already half-way do, that you half-way enjoy, in some volunteer role. Just start at the bottom. Apply through organisations, read up about people's work and projects and write to them directly, joing meet-ups of people who already do that thing. Try to find someone who will let you in, give you their advice, or let you tag along a bit, just to learn what they really do and whether you like it. If it's the zoo, hang about and get to know the staff. Ditto the motorbike mechanic, and so on.

Once you find something (and perhaps you do already know what it could be), see if you can start up a part-time business doing that. If you are successful in getting it up and slowly ticking over, or in getting part-time employment in that new field (perhaps you'd need to write some more exams), then you could, over the course of a year or three, see whether you could tip the ratio, so that - once you have some security in the new something - you can phase out the job that now makes you feel trapped by, say, becoming a consultant and working on some projects only, rather than full-time.
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Without the following it's probably very difficult:

My wife was, and still is, continuing a successful career in the same company I worked for, so financially I was able to do this without too much hardship.
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finance isn't my biggest concern as we can easily survive on my wife's salary

As soon as you can afford to escape a world where you are discontent on a daily basis, you must.
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I was ... referencing those who had said they could afford to do it as the family income allowed for it...

Many would love to take a less stressful role, and probably should try to do so for their own health, but simply can't afford to.
I agree with this, completely. It's not simply a matter of taking a wild and romantic leap into fulfilling one's dreams. And OP sounds sufficiently rational and reasonable, and conscious of his responsibilities.

OP, whether or not you'll have the freedom to take a leap may well depend in part on your [encouraging] spouse maintaining or increasing what she/he earns.

Naturally, you can also increase your freedom to do something that is possible less lucrative, by scaling down most of your needs, living modestly or frugally as far as possible. Your family might cooperate and be ready to spend less (perhaps identifying the four or five most costly items in the family budget, or lots and lots of little ones, which add up), if they can see what the experiment is about, and see that you become happier.
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Could you cut back a little and work 80%? One more day off makes a change. It gives you time to breath. Time for hobbies or to spend with your family. Maybe this would help.
Yes, I actually work 80% already and I split the extra day between spending time with the family and working on/pondering/experimenting with future work options. That extra day makes a big difference.
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I slightly regret working with my hobby, annoying clients and bad situations tainted it for me, I don’t love it like I used to, eventually it became a drag like any other must do job!
Can I ask what area of work your hobby is/was in?
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Yes, I actually work 80% already and I split the extra day between spending time with the family and working on/pondering/experimenting with future work options. That extra day makes a big difference.
The next step is to go down to 60%... I was unemployed for 2 long stints, and actually liked it. Next to this it showed me that 70% of my 80% salary was enough, so working 60% would give me enough funds.
The 60% is made up of 2 weeks of 4 days work, then a week free. Last week was free, I made 2 long daytrips with the motorcycle into the mountains. Also baked cinamon rolls when the weather was bad. Made 2 long bicycle trips. Its just so nice to putter around the house, wasting time doing nothing and really enjoying just being free.
I think it is a natural progression as you get older, its a pity it is not more engrained in society. When youre young you still have the illusion of a career and youre willing to work long days. As you get older this illusion goes away and spending time with family and hobbies/travelling becomes more important. Reducing work hours as you get older seems only natural to me. Plus it opens up jobs for young people.

The boss doesnt really like my schedule though, so fingers crossed I can keep it. Ill keep my leg stiff though (dutch expression)
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The next step is to go down to 60%...
Unfortunately not every company allows this move. OK, officially they (might) agree but you're really out of touch with office politics and your work doesn't get much recognition or credit. From there to being told "we're sorry but good bye" is not a long way. Of course, it depends on the position or the job itself.
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Can I ask what area of work your hobby is/was in?
Ski teaching. It can be totally awesome if you are spending your days with great clients (but even if you are with awesome people being in the beginners area is not the same as tearing up the slopes yourself, working with your hobby is not the same as practicing it!). Not so awesome if you are with clients who treat you like a piece of shit Sherpa/PA/Magician. I was getting far more of the later than the former unfortunately
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Ski teaching. It can be totally awesome if you are spending your days with great clients (but even if you are with awesome people being in the beginners area is not the same as tearing up the slopes yourself, working with your hobby is not the same as practicing it!). Not so awesome if you are with clients who treat you like a piece of shit Sherpa/PA/Magician. I was getting far more of the later than the former unfortunately
I see this as a worsening problem as time goes on for people who are in service or make products. As a friend said to me 'people no longer buy a product or a service, they just buy a price ' and after they screw you on price they think they own you!
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It is true that working in your hobby is not always rewarding. I worked in a field that I was most passionate about (the arts - symphony, opera and ballet companies) & it was far more ruthless than the corporate world and at 1/4 of the pay. It was a good lesson for me in how cruel reality of the world can be & is how I have been able to drag myself into an office every day...I just wish we could find a balance.

Working 80% would be fantastic, but in my experience thus far in Switzerland, it is only reserved for working mothers (and they had to fight hard for it). In one exception, my husband has a colleague who decided to work 80% in order to spend more time with her horse (not joking). There wasn't any additional resources added to the team in order to make up for her absence, so they have to complete the 20% themselves...it most definitely contributes to an unhappy team environment.
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..I just wish we could find a balance..

..In one exception, my husband has a colleague who decided to work 80% in order to spend more time with her horse (not joking)..
Tbh, looks like she did find her balance.

Nobody will find it for us, it is possible but we gotta do it ourselves. I wouldn't blame reality, overtly corporate or undecover corporate worlds. Life isn't tricking us into situations.

Arts, music, etc..is definitely tough, to want to survive on it while not having to compromise is a naieve dream for most creatives. Immense amounts of talents in fierce competition and limited resources make up for a rude awakening quite often. But any creative work is better for me past 25 years than scripted drill. It recharges us while it feeds us

It is ok to make wrong choices (Iam not saying you did...in general, the thread feels like it) but I wouldn't blame the world for them. It is equally ok to forgive oneselves or own the decisions and make new choices in order to have a meaningful career that makes one identify with it better. I respect people who make the leap into the uknown in order to get to know themselves better. Want more from their life.
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Re: I'm tired of working in the corporate world and seeking like-minded people!

I totally see myself reflected in your post. I like my job and what I am doing, however every morning I have the feeling that there must be something more. The way this society is 'geared' like if it is set up to just move in a one-way direction, and you cannot escape from it, makes me feel depressed.

I would say that I even ended up commuting to work by car because I couldn't stand anymore seeing every day the same unknown faces on the bus/train going to work, I had the feeling that I was in one of those cattle transport lorries you see sometimes on the highway.
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I would say that I even ended up commuting to work by car because I couldn't stand anymore seeing every day the same unknown faces on the bus/train going to work, I had the feeling that I was in one of those cattle transport lorries you see sometimes on the highway.
hahah - there is a long trail from the Oerlikon station to my office park and I call it the "cattle trail". Mooooooo
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I've been in the corporate world for a bit more than 20 years. I don't love my job, but I don't really hate it either. I've been told by various seniors that I have the potential to go very far in the company... but I'm not quite pushing that because I have the work life balance thing going.

There is so much outdoorsy stuff to enjoy in Switzerland in Summer and Winter, and I really use up my vacation to travel to faraway places in spring and autumn.

Such is the quality of life in Switzerland. I would hate my job a lot more if the money I was earning wasn't going into all the fun I am having.

Is it right that I always need the fun stuff to counter my unsatisfactory career? Something is still missing and I wonder if I should just look for a more fulfilling job.

I just don't see a lot of people older than me in the company anymore and I worry that I would be deemed surplus to requirements soon. All the fun I am having means that I don't really have a lot of savings. It's a golden cage, but it's not going to last forever.
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All the fun I am having means that I don't really have a lot of savings.
People who have fun live longer.

I guess I told myself that once I am about to open the door and don't think my usual "I love this moment", I will change my job. The thing is, it hasn't happen and I think it will not because I gave myself that promise.


People change, it is our skill. Thank god we evolve...tastes, passions, priorities, etc. On the other hand if you find a career that you like to evolve in, it is likely that you will have fun for quite a long time.
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I've been in the corporate world for a bit more than 20 years. I don't love my job, but I don't really hate it either. I've been told by various seniors that I have the potential to go very far in the company... but I'm not quite pushing that because I have the work life balance thing going.

There is so much outdoorsy stuff to enjoy in Switzerland in Summer and Winter, and I really use up my vacation to travel to faraway places in spring and autumn.

Such is the quality of life in Switzerland. I would hate my job a lot more if the money I was earning wasn't going into all the fun I am having.

Is it right that I always need the fun stuff to counter my unsatisfactory career? Something is still missing and I wonder if I should just look for a more fulfilling job.

I just don't see a lot of people older than me in the company anymore and I worry that I would be deemed surplus to requirements soon. All the fun I am having means that I don't really have a lot of savings. It's a golden cage, but it's not going to last forever.
Fun is good. But you can have cheap fun as well as expensive fun. I'm lucky in that most of the stuff I like to do is cheap or free. A lot of the sports I like are cheap or free (hiking, badminton, cycling, swimming) the only expensive one is skiing.

While fun is good, it is a bad sign if you have to do fun stuff as a reward for work.
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While fun is good, it is a bad sign if you have to do fun stuff as a reward for work.
Well, we say back home something like "can't be a Mardigras every day".
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While fun is good, it is a bad sign if you have to do fun stuff as a reward for work.
Do you have fun at work? If so, can you tell us how?
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While fun is good, it is a bad sign if you have to do fun stuff as a reward for work.
It's worse doing the fun stuff following a budget, deadlines and a legal framework. So, better do the boring work with the aforementioned constrains and enjoy the hobbies (almost) without them.
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