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Wasn't low cost a priority for you?
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Voluntary, with your consent? We all do stuff we don't like at work
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haha - nooooo! Might be fun for some for a bit, but those never end well.
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Old 31.08.2020, 12:42
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haha - nooooo! Might be fun for some for a bit, but those never end well.
Some times they do 😀
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Re: I'm tired of working in the corporate world and seeking like-minded people!

I understand your dilemma having left the corporate world at the age of 26! My advice would be, to first decide what you'd like to do and how it can remunerate you. Try to obtain this second income while still working, so when you reach the tipping point, you can leave paid employment and carry on with your own business.

However you need to differentiate between being an employee, and an entrepreneur. As an employee you work fixed hours, or get time off in lieu or overtime, fixed holidays and the reasonable certainty of a salary reaching your account each month with which to pay the bills to live.

Starting your own business you can forget most of this. You "salary" will depend on what profits you make. While relaxing on the beach on holiday your phone goes with an urgent problem to be resolved or an order from a client. In fact your mind rarely switches off! Your hours will be early morning to late at night. When you have a bad month or two, or get a bad dose of the flu (never mind C-19) and are not making enough to pay the bills - that's when stress hits you. That's when you wish you had a regular job and a regular income. However persevere, make sure your spouse is on board with it all, and the rewards can be much greater than being a "wage slave"!

So you cannot go into this with the attitude of an employee who is pretty much looked after, and expect the same from your own business. You must have the mental attitude to go to one where you have to build the business and essentially look after yourself.

Good luck with it all.
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Re: I'm tired of working in the corporate world and seeking like-minded people!

I think you are not alone in your feelings. We live in an age where our work existence feels under constant threat. We have developed a habit of defining ourselves by our jobs, education etc etc. Employees work longer than ever and on top of this there is an expectation to constantly educate and improve employability. Less free time because of work and using up that free time to ensure employability.

I fell out of the rat race about 3 years ago. In my case, I didn't have burn out, but bore out. I worked in banking and I started to feel like these numbers are all imaginary and they don't matter. My colleagues on the other hand, tended to behave like every decision was life or death. So I quit, walked into the blue and life has been great. I cut back my lifestyle and have unlimited time but of course, my bank account only goes one way! I think the most interesting insight for me, is the fact that I spend far less money. I had a habit of finding temporary happiness by buying crap I didn't need and constantly living in the future (what will I do and buy over the next few months).

Next year I will have to find a new job. I am currently thinking about doing something with Zurich Stadt. Perhaps a part time tram driver. My view is probably romantic but I have a feeling that it's an honest job. Turn up, drive around the city, go home.. I'll never be rich and in the long term I will face a lower standard of living but I hope I will be happier than maintaining an illusion of happiness based on status that money brings.
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Next year I will have to find a new job. I am currently thinking about doing something with Zurich Stadt. Perhaps a part time tram driver. My view is probably romantic but I have a feeling that it's an honest job. Turn up, drive around the city, go home.. I'll never be rich and in the long term I will face a lower standard of living but I hope I will be happier than maintaining an illusion of happiness based on status that money brings.
Funnily enough, I was just discussing with my boys what I would do if I had to start my career again, and it would be to fill most childhood dreams of becoming a train driver for the SBB, or had I not left London, a Tube Train driver. They earn up to GBP 80,000 a year, long holidays, plenty of time off, free travel in London for you and the family, and retire at 50!!! Sounds great
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I understand your dilemma having left the corporate world at the age of 26! My advice would be, to first decide what you'd like to do and how it can remunerate you. Try to obtain this second income while still working, so when you reach the tipping point, you can leave paid employment and carry on with your own business.

However you need to differentiate between being an employee, and an entrepreneur. As an employee you work fixed hours, or get time off in lieu or overtime, fixed holidays and the reasonable certainty of a salary reaching your account each month with which to pay the bills to live.

Starting your own business you can forget most of this. You "salary" will depend on what profits you make. While relaxing on the beach on holiday your phone goes with an urgent problem to be resolved or an order from a client. In fact your mind rarely switches off! Your hours will be early morning to late at night. When you have a bad month or two, or get a bad dose of the flu (never mind C-19) and are not making enough to pay the bills - that's when stress hits you. That's when you wish you had a regular job and a regular income. However persevere, make sure your spouse is on board with it all, and the rewards can be much greater than being a "wage slave"!

So you cannot go into this with the attitude of an employee who is pretty much looked after, and expect the same from your own business. You must have the mental attitude to go to one where you have to build the business and essentially look after yourself.

Good luck with it all.
That is why i love EnglishForum. You are talking about 1st world.

I was now in Portugal for 2 months and almost everyone has 2 jobs. What you classify as entrepeneur is the daily life of everyone. Calls in weekend, calls at midnight.

So depends how is your life in corporate world. My personal experience is deciding on Fridays if work or not on Saturdays. Works on Mondays at 6 am so at 10 am we have good reports.

This job 8 to 5 is a bless. Many people here working even for top companies like Facebook, Google go work on Sundays because Monday - Friday is not enough.

That notion work from 8 to 17 is a bless but do you know anyone?
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Re: I'm tired of working in the corporate world and seeking like-minded people!

Sure, this is like reading the First World Problems thread, but I do appreciate that someone brought up this topic that quite some of us are at least thinking about.
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Funnily enough, I was just discussing with my boys what I would do if I had to start my career again, and it would be to fill most childhood dreams of becoming a train driver for the SBB, or had I not left London, a Tube Train driver. They earn up to GBP 80,000 a year, long holidays, plenty of time off, free travel in London for you and the family, and retire at 50!!! Sounds great
I originally thought about SBB.. The salary is better and I think there is more variety as the employees (assumedly) have the option to travel throughout Switzerland. The "trouble" is that C1 is minimum language standard and after talking to them, they prefer C2. So this ruled it out for me as I think I will be ready to retire before I can hit C2.

I then spoke to ZVV. Tram driver is B2 with ability to understand dialects which I can do at a basic level. So I'm working towards B2 at the moment and then will see. Interestingly, I read complaints on Kununu about the standard of German amongst employees so I think their expectation of fluency is quite low.
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Do you have fun at work? If so, can you tell us how?

Fun is quite simply a state of mind.



One person's idea of fun can be another one's torture - yet the activity is the same thing.



So the way to guarantee you have fun at work - any work - is to change the way you think about what you do.



Have to file that pile of documents? Challenge yourself to do it faster than yesterday. Or neater. Or taller. Or...



Boss is an impossible, arrogant, tyrant? Imagine them on the toilet... it will make you smile all the more sweetly. Or take the berating, nod sagely, and say "There We Are Then..." before walking away.


Hate what you do, but are kinda stuck doing it for: reasons? Make it your absolute mission to find out what's interesting, unique, or totally unusual about your business or industry. Every single job or business has its fascinating facts. Finding them out is fun; knowing why some repetitive task is always done that way can make it more interesting.



Good luck


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For clarity....this IS what you are doing to have office fun?
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That notion work from 8 to 17 is a bless but do you know anyone?
I don't know anyone so cushioned irl corporatist world, neither here, nor back home...I recall I brought this issue up some time ago on EF and quite a few people were convinced my manager(s) must be an imbecile(s). In OH's case, he is a manager..but who cares, real world is not what many EFers are connected to. Most people I know work a hell lot of more hours.
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That notion work from 8 to 17 is a bless but do you know anyone?
I had a new manager from the US once who demanded we all worked until at least 19:00... we all did for a month, with objections... but the next month he was given a new mission by his boss - make sure the contractors donít work overtime... Ďtwas a pity really as 40 hours @ 150% was very welcome. But I guess paying it to 63 contractors made him famous for a the wrong reasons....

I have not worked for free since I was 22, but as Iím taking early retirement Iíll probably do nothing but working for free on stuff that interests me.
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That is why i love EnglishForum. You are talking about 1st world.

I was now in Portugal for 2 months and almost everyone has 2 jobs. What you classify as entrepeneur is the daily life of everyone. Calls in weekend, calls at midnight.

So depends how is your life in corporate world. My personal experience is deciding on Fridays if work or not on Saturdays. Works on Mondays at 6 am so at 10 am we have good reports.

This job 8 to 5 is a bless. Many people here working even for top companies like Facebook, Google go work on Sundays because Monday - Friday is not enough.

That notion work from 8 to 17 is a bless but do you know anyone?
I would get a 3K CHF bonus by recommending a new hire that stays for at least a year in our boring Mo-Fr 9 to 5 company. For colleagues that want a bit of excitement, there's international travel and night work on shifts.

Being proud of being busy with work is a high-status thing in other cultures. Maybe I'm lucky, 2 managers in my company have looked at death in the face, one for liver troubles, the other one for diabetes, both have constant medication at ~50 YO.....so they talk about working less, more important things in life, exercise and eating salad. I'm 39 and the entrepreneurs I know about my age are closer to taking pills every 2 hours than making big bucks.

PS. Working on the weekend and top company is an oxymoron.
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I don't have fun in the office. I just work.. and browse EF.
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Hi all,

I'm someone who has spent many years working in one large corporate machine or another. I spend all of my working day either in meetings or staring into a computer screen - actually in these Covid times itís become one in the same thing, but you get my point.

As a result of being stuck in the rat race, golden cage, whatever you want to call it, I frequently tell myself: give this up, go and do something more rewarding, more meaningful, less robotic. Iíve got a few ideas and the desire to act on them but the things that have prevented me so far have been the obvious ones; I have financial commitments, a family to feed, fear of failure etc.

Recently Iíve been thinking that there must be others like me who are also frustrated in their corporate worlds and just going through the motions. Hence my post. I would really like to connect with others feeling the same as me and meet up (in whatever format) to discuss the topic, probe potential solutions to the puzzle, get some motivation, and think about how to take the first steps. Or maybe you are somebody that has done it and can impart some advice?

Now just to be clear, Iím not out to sell a life-coach service, or cupcakes, or anything like that. Iím just a family man from the UK who has been living in ZŁrich for the last ten years and looking for some like-minded people to chew the fat on this tricky topic.

If any of the above resonates with you, please do reply to this post or message me, and maybe we can generate some motivation and ideas through discussion :0)
Do you want to join my project?
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'Starting your own business you can forget most of this. You "salary" will depend on what profits you make. While relaxing on the beach on holiday your phone goes with an urgent problem to be resolved or an order from a client'.

I can totally relate to this. We used to put an email round all of our clients to let them know which dates our office was closed for holiday, then we'd send a reminder. Half way up a waterfall in the Highlands we had someone phone us to say they'd forgotten how to upload images to their website
Fast forward to 2013, by that point we had got away from having clients with small businesses and had were doing contract work for a number of digital media companies. Went on 2 weeks holiday and lo and behold somebody contacted us when we were on a tour bus in Gozo!

My other bugbear was as I handled the accounts and finance side, I was constantly chasing the smaller companies for overdue payments and it would be "I'll do a bank transfer with Fastpay on Fri", but it wouldn't arrive so you'd be chasing them up again. Got wise to it and we started saying if they didn't pay us we'd take their website offline until we had the money (we managed most of the sites we built). I used to be exasperated at times, at one point I was visualising myself as Mischone from The Walking Dead with her big samurai sword when I was chasing people up, I could even hear myself saying "I am Mischone" in my head
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My other bugbear was as I handled the accounts and finance side, I was constantly chasing the smaller companies for overdue payments and it would be "I'll do a bank transfer with Fastpay on Fri", but it wouldn't arrive so you'd be chasing them up again. Got wise to it and we started saying if they didn't pay us we'd take their website offline until we had the money (we managed most of the sites we built). I used to be exasperated at times, at one point I was visualising myself as Mischone from The Walking Dead with her big samurai sword when I was chasing people up, I could even hear myself saying "I am Mischone" in my head
I like the comparison with Mischone and her samurai sword..
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