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Moving to Basel - Saint Louis

Hello!

I am Andrea, I used to be a member of the forum long time ago while I was living in Baden in 2013. I am glad to be back!

I am Mexican, living and working in Paris with a carte bleu CdS. My husband (french) was just offered and accepted a really good opportunity to work in Basel. Our first option is to be able to live in the French border (Saint Louis) and commute to Basel as needed.

I have several questions regarding this situation and I will probably need an immigration lawyer (any contacts?) but if you have some ideas/tips please let me know!

I read about the G crossing border permit:

1. If everything is well, I would be able to negotiate that I keep working for my French company from home for 6 months until I am able to process the border permit. If I'd be 5 years in France in December 2020 (but not yet with nationality), would I need to do extra process to grant the permanent residency? I would be less than 1yr married to my French husband, but I am considering changing my CdS to Vie Privee Familier if this helps. Is this doable? I know that job hunting will be challenging, so I am more wondering about the legality of this.

2. Do I need to apply to a permanent residency before being able to obtain the border permit?

3. If I find a company who wants to hire me, I am living in France rightfully next to my French husband, can I work for this company? can they process a border permit or this is not possible?

4. Should I give it all up and move to Switzerland and not in France? This is definitely not our first choice because: a) we don't have kids but we are planning to have them soon, I am familiar with the difficulties of two working parents + small kids in Switzerland. This is more accessible on the French side. Me giving my career is not an option i have a good career. b) health insurance + retirement plan is more attractive for us on the French side than on the Swiss side. Yes, the taxes are higher but we are willing to go through this.

Do anyone has any tips for this? If not, please, please if you could provide me with an immigration lawyer it would be great as well

thank you so much and have a good day!!
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Re: Moving to Basel - Saint Louis

Do you not need/want to stay in the EU long enough to get an EU (French) passport?
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Re: Moving to Basel - Saint Louis

I do want to, and I want to start the process once we make the move to the French border (another reason why we would like to stay on this side so I would not lose the 5 years history). However, it will take at least 1 year if no covid happens to process the nationality by decret (nationality by marriage won't be possible until 3yrs from now + the waiting time).

I just want to see if it is possible that I can work in Basel while living in France and while I do the whole long process of obtaining the French nationality
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I read about the G crossing border permit...
a G Permit is linked to an employer and is typically valid for one year. Hence, you won't get a G-permit because your husband has one, you'll have to find a job firs. It's different if you reside in Switzerland in which case he'll get a B and you will get it too.
Also, think about health insurance because if you plan to be a mom one day, it's one thing to be taken care of in a provincial French hospital, another is in the first-class Universitätsspital in Basel.

Re Saint Louis - I hope you've visited this thing. It's only marginally better that Mulhouse and Mulhouse is the shi&hole of the area. If you insist on staying in France at least consider the surrounding villages. Boring and sleepy, but at least picturesque, calm and beautiful.

We did a similar thing years ago: moved to France and after two years being fed up with the ridiculous French administration, poor housing, commute, lack of proper service, mediocre schooling, etc, etc. moved to Basel. This was 10 years ago, now we go to France only for occasional shopping.
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a G Permit is linked to an employer and is typically valid for one year. Hence, you won't get a G-permit because your husband has one, you'll have to find a job firs
This is a bit confusing because I found in another post the following:
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After six months in France with a permanent residence permit, it should be possible to apply for a G cross-border work permit per the below (translated):

"A cross-border commuter permit can only be issued to third-country nationals if they have a permanent right of residence in a neighbouring country of Switzerland and have also lived in the border zone for at least six months."

https://www.bdm.bs.ch/Arbeiten/Grenz...willigung.html

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Re Saint Louis - I hope you've visited this thing. It's only marginally better that Mulhouse and Mulhouse is the shi&hole of the area. If you insist on staying in France at least consider the surrounding villages. Boring and sleepy, but at least picturesque, calm and beautiful.

We did a similar thing years ago: moved to France and after two years being fed up with the ridiculous French administration, poor housing, commute, lack of proper service, mediocre schooling, etc, etc. moved to Basel. This was 10 years ago, now we go to France only for occasional shopping.
I appreciate your thoughts but right now we are living in France (me for the last five year), I am familiar with the French admin, poor housing? have you seen the apartments in Paris? Lack of proper service and mediocre schooling.. again... I was not asking for a personal opinion between French and Swiss life.. Both sides have good and bad things.. I am asking about what it is possible to do according to our options...

We have friends working in Basel and living in the French side, they are not unhappy and suffering
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This is a bit confusing because I found in another post the following:
Your husbands employer will also be able to help clarfy. G is issued indeed with the requirements you posted, but AFAIK assumes employment. Otherwise everyone living in France will get a G permit irrelevant if they work or just want the paper


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have you seen the apartments in Paris?
Saint Louis has 0 similarities with Paris. My only advice would be to check it out first.
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Your husbands employer will also be able to help clarfy. G is issued indeed with the requirements you posted, but AFAIK assumes employment. Otherwise everyone living in France will get a G permit irrelevant if they work or just want the paper



Saint Louis has 0 similarities with Paris. My only advice would be to check it out first.
This is good to know! Thanks.
And definitely we will take a look. If it is completely impossible for me to find a job and live in France we will reconsider, if it is really too bad we will also reconsider 😬.

Is it true that I would not be able to join my husband until months after he moves - alone - to Basel? As my paperwork won’t be able to be processed until he gets his permit?
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Is it true that I would not be able to join my husband until months after he moves - alone - to Basel? As my paperwork won’t be able to be processed until he gets his permit?
But you currently reside legally and gainfully employed in France. Of course you can join him in Saint Loius!
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Re: Moving to Basel - Saint Louis

The rules are clear:

"Third-country nationals will only be given a cross-border commuter G-permit, if they have a permanent residence permit in a neighboring country. They also need to have had their residence in the neighboring country’s border zone for at least six months and fulfill the labor market requirements. G-permits are usually valid for one year, and are limited to the border zone of the issuing canton. Third-country border commuters require permission to change jobs"

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...willigung.html

So yes, you need French permanent residency - and also to have lived in a border zone for at least 6 months. So that will be living in St Louis or similar French area for at least that long before you'd qualify for a G permit. Labor market requirements will depend on what sort of work you plan to do and whether the employer can justify hiring you over anyone else depending on what labor market conditions apply in that particular field of employment.

Only the employer can apply for a G permit for you; you can't do it yourself because of the above requirements.
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The rules are clear:

"Third-country nationals will only be given a cross-border commuter G-permit, if they have a permanent residence permit in a neighboring country. They also need to have had their residence in the neighboring country’s border zone for at least six months and fulfill the labor market requirements. G-permits are usually valid for one year, and are limited to the border zone of the issuing canton. Third-country border commuters require permission to change jobs"

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...willigung.html

So yes, you need French permanent residency - and also to have lived in a border zone for at least 6 months. So that will be living in St Louis or similar French area for at least that long before you'd qualify for a G permit. Labor market requirements will depend on what sort of work you plan to do and whether the employer can justify hiring you over anyone else depending on what labor market conditions apply in that particular field of employment.

Only the employer can apply for a G permit for you; you can't do it yourself because of the above requirements.

Thank you Medea! (i remember you from my old times!).
I did some quick research and I am able change my Carte Bleue to a Permanent Residence since my time living in France. I will take a look at it.

So for the G Permit, if I have the residence in France and I have been 6 months in the border, I could get a job in Basel and they would process the permit to allow me to work for a year with it. Is this depending on the quotas?

I have a good cv (I believe), working in international corporate finance for the last 8yrs and with experiences over three continents so I hope it would not be that bad.

If we decide to live in Switzerland - and not in France - would I have the same work rights as my husband? Can I move with him wt the same time or we would have to apply for reunification visa?
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Re: Moving to Basel - Saint Louis

G permits are not part of the non-EU quota limits as far as I know. They only apply to L and B permits.

You can move with him and apply for the family reunification permit so long as he can meet the requirements for it.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta
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G permits are not part of the non-EU quota limits as far as I know. They only apply to L and B permits.

You can move with him and apply for the family reunification permit so long as he can meet the requirements for it.
Not really - family re-unification doesn't apply to G permits. This is only for people residing IN Switzerland, not frontaliers

edit: sorry, you were responding to the second part of the question, it seemed like you're referring to family re-unification under G
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Not really - family re-unification doesn't apply to G permits. This is only for people residing IN Switzerland, not frontaliers

edit: sorry, you were responding to the second part of the question, it seemed like you're referring to family re-unification under G
Yes, I was. Family reunification isn't needed with a G permit since they wouldn't be living in Switzerland.
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Our first option is to be able to live in the French border (Saint Louis) and commute to Basel as needed.
Hello, welcome to the forum =)

Yes, a lot of people live in France and Germany and commute to Basel for work. You have the advantage of knowing how France works, so better get the settlement permit in France done, just a few months more.

Well, as others mentioned St. Louis is not exactly the nicest place in the world. Nothing specially wrong, just a urban area affected by deindustrialization as the rest of Alsace. The good news is that there are many beautiful villages around with nice houses, lower rent, less urban problems and delicious wines just a few km to the north.

There's a thing known as Basel traffic. Never lived in Basel but every time I have to drive from Switzerland to France or Germany, the traffic in Basel is hopeless. So, better use the train or trams to commute from France to Basel. There are trams that cross the border, check the Basel public transport plan https://www.bvb.ch/de/fahrplan/liniennetz/ and there's a commuter train that links Mulhouse and Basel with several intermediate stops.



It would be great if you could explore the area before taking a decision. Drive around to get a better knowledge of the area.
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