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We had a rule they should approach a mummy with children if they ever got lost and ask to call our numbers.
For some reason, lost people of all ages seem to zero in on me. I've even had a complete stranger ask me to keep an eye on her kids while she nipped into the Coop at Stauffacher. I'm not a big fan of kids but will happily watch out for/spend time with them as long as I don't have to keep them forever.

My gran's top tip was to ask "the pale young people who wear black and never smile". I tried to explain that they were called goths but she said she didn't care what they were called, they were always charming whenever she asked them anything. Probably no longer relevant as they are not so common these days but I thought it was very cute.

I think going into a big shop or pharmacy (easy to spot with the green cross) and accosting a cashier is definitely a good strategy.
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Our son was terrified when he first started kindergarten (crying on the first day, etc.), and on his second day there, he left and walked home by himself at 10:00 am. I was bothered by the fact that that was even possible; and to make it worse, that they didn't even seem to notice he was gone until I called them when he came home. I noticed this summer that the kindergarten has finally put up a fence and a locked gate.
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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

@OP,

This is a nightmare of a situation, for both the parents and the teacher. I'm happy for you that nothing bad happened in the end. If I were you, I would try to have a calm discussion with the kindergarten teacher and receive some answers e.g. what's to be done next so that this situation doesn't happen again...for obvious reasons. Discuss all these things with your child too.
This has never happened to us, but it has always been somewhere in the back of my mind. I can really sympathise. Had I known you child in person, I could have given you more advice. Perhaps you should also talk with a psychologist. I mean, kids can do crazy stuff but most of them would never run from a place where they parents took them to, unless there are some problems.

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Prevention by locking the door should be the first thing to do. But she forgot to do it, that's what she admitted.
This is just wrong - the teacher should not need to lock the door for one child, that gives a bad example to all the others.
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I noticed this summer that the kindergarten has finally put up a fence and a locked gate.
If our school did that I would complain - having schools be an open part of the community is a great part of the Swiss culture, we shouldn't be blocking them off.

It's also great that kids regularly meet at school out of hours to use the playing field or playground.
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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

I find it quite shocking she was able to leave without anyone noticing and that the kindergarden door was not locked. To me this sounds 100% a fault of the school/teacher.
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If our school did that I would complain - having schools be an open part of the community is a great part of the Swiss culture, we shouldn't be blocking them off.

It's also great that kids regularly meet at school out of hours to use the playing field or playground.
During kindergarden hours, strangers should not be able to enter the school, and kids should not be able to run away on their own. The teachers are often too busy to be able to check for these things.

After kindergarden hours, the gate can be open and the playground accessible to anyone.
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During kindergarden hours, strangers should not be able to enter the school, and kids should not be able to run away on their own. The teachers are often too busy to be able to check for these things.

After kindergarden hours, the gate can be open and the playground accessible to anyone.
Or parents, who in most Swiss schools are welcome to visit at any time?

I guess we should probably have cops with guns in schools, just in case society can't take reasonable care and teach kids responsibility.
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Or parents, who in most Swiss schools are welcome to visit at any time?

I guess we should probably have cops with guns in schools, just in case society can't take reasonable care and teach kids responsibility.
If a parent wants to visit, they can just ring and someone can come and open...?

Or do you think they should be welcome to just enter a class out of the blue? Because this is definitely discouraged where I live.
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If a parent wants to visit, they can just ring and someone can come and open...?

Or do you think they should be welcome to just enter a class out of the blue? Because this is definitely discouraged where I live.
To the second point - yes; it is not discouraged here, although in practice parents would probably drop the teacher a note to say they are coming.

Why do you think taking away freedom from everybody is the right solution to one child not following the rules?

We see where that ends up - no school trips to anywhere interesting because they're all too dangerous, definitely no cycling to places as a class, fences and razor wire (because honestly what kid can't climb a normal fence?).
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Or parents, who in most Swiss schools are welcome to visit at any time?
Not around here.

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I don’t know of any school or any teacher anywhere who locks the classroom door imagine the safety issue in case of fire?
It's common here, but only the front door.

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It's common here, but only the front door.

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Maybe a Ticino thing, around here the schools are only locked at night after the cleaners leave.
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To the second point - yes; it is not discouraged here, although in practice parents would probably drop the teacher a note to say they are coming.

Why do you think taking away freedom from everybody is the right solution to one child not following the rules?

We see where that ends up - no school trips to anywhere interesting because they're all too dangerous, definitely no cycling to places as a class, fences and razor wire (because honestly what kid can't climb a normal fence?).
I just don't see this as a matter of freedom. Parents or any other human is able to visit regardless of locked entrance, whereas kids should not be able to run away from school like that, i.e. they shouldn't be free in such sense.

I think it's fine to teach very young kids to be responsible, but we should not forget they are kids afterall. It takes one "silly" decision from the child and it can really end up badly for multiple people.

PS: locking the entrance is what I would expect in kindergardens and primary schools, certainly not high schools.
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I just don't see this as a matter of freedom. Parents or any other human is able to visit regardless of locked entrance, whereas kids should not be able to run away from school like that, i.e. they shouldn't be free in such sense.

I think it's fine to teach very young kids to be responsible, but we should not forget they are kids afterall. It takes one "silly" decision from the child and it can really end up badly for multiple people.

PS: locking the entrance is what I would expect in kindergardens and primary schools, certainly not high schools.
OK, you're entitled to your opinion.

Just bear in mind - Switzerland has had this open model for a long time, and has some of the best education, lowest crime and highest child well-being ratings, why on earth would we want to change that and indeed what right do we have to do so (unless you're Swiss, in which case I guess you do...).

The countries in the OECD with the most locked down schools are probably UK and US - which come bottom and second bottom respectively in the UNICEF rankings.
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From your reply I can see a new view from teacher side.
However when she calls the second we're going to press the call button to call her, she didn't feel sorry at all but instead blaming us a parent for what happened. It makes my husband furious n up till now he still angry with her attitude seeing that our kid is her responsibility once she took her inside the school.

I understand that it's not easy to watch the kids but the point is there's risk for the kids safety.

Prevention by locking the door should be the first thing to do. But she forgot to do it, that's what she admitted.

About telling my girl, I did the moment it happened as I of course doesn't want her to repeat the same thing again or any kind like that that can risk her safety.

My girl just told me few mins ago that she stop the guy herself and asked him if he can help to take her up home, she told him her family name, her name (for the ring button) n floor number, she also told him my name.

I myself would like for a formal meeting with the teacher but my husband said better not because he think the teacher will just push all the blame to us like in the phone and she's able to do that. So my husband said let's close the case here unless she (the teacher) tried to bring it up again.
Sounds like your kid is a lot more grown up than you give her credit for.

In Switzerland children walk to and from Kindergarden/school by themselves every day. Some parents like to bring them the first months or so but at 6 she must be in her second year. And: She found her way home!

I understand you're upset and I agree that a child should not be able to wander off unnoticed (Verletzung der Aufsichtspflicht - violation of the duty of supervision - could be the case here but we don't know the details, sounds like your daughter probably voiced her dislike of Kindergarden to the teacher as well) but as someone said, if she insists to leave there is not much the teacher can do. Physical force is illegal here.

She seems to know how to help herself. Support that. Teach her where to ring the bell. But also teach her that school is a must - even the parents can't decide against it - although it is tough to learn about musts at this age.
Let her walk alone in the company of other kids going to the same school-house if there are any living near by.
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But the teacher in this case mentioned she forgot to lock the door, hence it does not strike me as exceptional Swiss behaviour to do (or not to) do so.

Not denying that Switzerland can rank highly in many categories, I would just not necessarily link it back to this specific free-entrance policy
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But the teacher in this case mentioned she forgot to lock the door, hence it does not strike me as exceptional Swiss behaviour to do (or not to) do so.

Not denying that Switzerland can rank highly in many categories, I would just not necessarily link it back to this specific free-entrance policy
Yes it does seem to be normal in some areas to lock the door, although if the kid wants to "escape" they could just ask to go to the toilet and do a runner!

I actually think that this responsibility and freedom is a fundamental reason why Switzerland does so well generally, and even small seeming things like fencing off schools would have a hugely negative impact.
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Yes it does seem to be normal in some areas to lock the door, although if the kid wants to "escape" they could just ask to go to the toilet and do a runner!

I actually think that this responsibility and freedom is a fundamental reason why Switzerland does so well generally, and even small seeming things like fencing off schools would have a hugely negative impact.
Let me just clarify that it is not about locking the classroom, just the main entrance. But leaving this school thing aside, I do agree that the high degree of individual responsibility which is encouraged from young age certainly helps shape the country!
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I just don't see this as a matter of freedom. Parents or any other human is able to visit regardless of locked entrance, whereas kids should not be able to run away from school like that, i.e. they shouldn't be free in such sense.

I think it's fine to teach very young kids to be responsible, but we should not forget they are kids afterall. It takes one "silly" decision from the child and it can really end up badly for multiple people.

PS: locking the entrance is what I would expect in kindergardens and primary schools, certainly not high schools.
I hope you don't plan to subject the Swiss education system to your helicopter-parented progeny if you have any. Parents with your views is why teachers quit their job and that is terrible because your view is problematic as hell.

Locking schools is an appalling idea, both from a safety standpoint and in terms of educational ethos. While it is important to do the best to meet individual educational needs, the concept of safety has to be the one that fits the majority rather than one child who decides that the rules do not apply to it.

I was told more than once by teachers (and my parents) that if I ignored safety rules and something happened to me, it would be my own fault and not to expect others to help me ("Selber Schuld Prinzip"). Like when we went barbecuing in the forest and were shown to carve our own pointy stick and cut our Cervelat how we wanted. This was in first class (possibly sooner, but not later) and I was asked to bring a Swiss Army Knife from home, which my parents allowed me to do without question. Messing about, running around or ignoring instructions could have resulted in serious injury, in the forest, before there were mobile phones, at least 20 minutes' walk from the nearest farm house. We knew that and told our classmates off if they started being careless.

We did the same thing several times on the last day of ski school, in the middle of snow-white forests back when we had proper winter. The last time I did that I was 9 because they only did that with ski school classes 1 to 4 where I learned to ski.

And yet, here I am, with all fingers intact and wonderful memories. Stop trying to prevent your kids from experiencing challenging situations and discomfort. You won't be around forever and it is a nightmare working with (or - worse - for) people who think that problem solving and doing hard stuff only happens to other people.
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