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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

The bigger issue is why your daughter did this. If I were the mother:

1. I would definitely lay down the rule that your daughter must never do that again.

2. Find out why your daughter left school. This is the real issue. You haven't given us any real insight on the reason why your daughter left. Feeling uncomfortable is not an adequate answer.

3. Do not blame the teacher and do not expect her to lock the door. There are school policies that teachers need to adhere to.

4. Teaching is an extremely stressful profession and quite often, parents have expectations of their children's education that just can't be met. Talk to the teacher and find out what you can do to help your child become more comfortable at school.
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I hope you don't plan to subject the Swiss education system to your helicopter-parented progeny if you have any. Parents with your views is why teachers quit their job and that is terrible because your view is problematic as hell.

Locking schools is an appalling idea, both from a safety standpoint and in terms of educational ethos. While it is important to do the best to meet individual educational needs, the concept of safety has to be the one that fits the majority rather than one child who decides that the rules do not apply to it.

I was told more than once by teachers (and my parents) that if I ignored safety rules and something happened to me, it would be my own fault and not to expect others to help me ("Selber Schuld Prinzip"). Like when we went barbecuing in the forest and were shown to carve our own pointy stick and cut our Cervelat how we wanted. This was in first class (possibly sooner, but not later) and I was asked to bring a Swiss Army Knife from home, which my parents allowed me to do without question. Messing about, running around or ignoring instructions could have resulted in serious injury, in the forest, before there were mobile phones, at least 20 minutes' walk from the nearest farm house. We knew that and told our classmates off if they started being careless.

We did the same thing several times on the last day of ski school, in the middle of snow-white forests back when we had proper winter. The last time I did that I was 9 because they only did that with ski school classes 1 to 4 where I learned to ski.

And yet, here I am, with all fingers intact and wonderful memories. Stop trying to prevent your kids from experiencing challenging situations and discomfort. You won't be around forever and it is a nightmare working with (or - worse - for) people who think that problem solving and doing hard stuff only happens to other people.
Safety is a matter that is covered by regulations. If some schools do lock doors it's because they are able to do so while abiding with the law.
And we have already established that at least some Swiss schools lock their entrances.

I agree with all the examples you gave, but I still do not think this means it's a good idea to leave a kindergarden's main entrance unlocked.

I am fairly appalled at your first line pointing at my assumed parenting skills, and the way you just seem to generalise my opinion to put me in a specific "problematic as hell" category. Cmon, I am not looking to shred the Swiss school system, you and I just happen to disagree on a specific (and fairly arbitrary) policy. Have a nice day
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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

Omg this is so scary. My fiance whom is swiss always says that Switzerland is safe and kids walk to school by themselves but I could not imagine. I would be very upset, how dare the teacher blame you guys. Yes, you have every right to be upset! I pray this doesn't happen to my kids once we move here.
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Omg this is so scary. My fiance whom is swiss always says that Switzerland is safe and kids walk to school by themselves but I could not imagine. I would be very upset, how dare the teacher blame you guys. Yes, you have every right to be upset! I pray this doesn't happen to my kids once we move here.
It really is completely normal for children in Switzerland to walk to school (or to take public transport). Some walk alone, and many meet up with others from their school along the way. Some walk in organised groups.

Swissinfo article (October 4, 2017): "Children more likely to walk to school in Switzerland"
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Personally, as a teacher, a mother and grandmother, locking the door is just not the answer and very unsafe.
Depends on the door, and depends whether the teacher meant locked or closed.
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Omg this is so scary. My fiance whom is swiss always says that Switzerland is safe and kids walk to school by themselves but I could not imagine. I would be very upset, how dare the teacher blame you guys. Yes, you have every right to be upset! I pray this doesn't happen to my kids once we move here.
If you are planning on having kids in Switzerland and are that worried about them walking to school, I'd spend some time really thinking about it and maybe talking to people not in a huge city like LA which is almost aggressively bad for pedestrians.

Culture shock is always a problem, but when it involves kids where parents are seldom really rational it seems to cause huge issues.
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I would be very upset, how dare the teacher blame you guys. Yes, you have every right to be upset!..
How will it help her daughter? Justifying OP's anger is not going to make the little one feel better about every day she has to spend in a place that she does not want to be in and with an adult she doesn't trust. If the cultural norm is to have an autonomous child here, bringing up the mom's anger will not help the child feel better nor help the teacher to create a place for the little one. If the mom knew that her child isn't settling in, the child didn't have to wait outside the house for 20min for a stranger to let her back home - this is the issue I see. The school door will probably not stay locked for long and the issues will come back.

I have to say - I like the little one's autonomy, coping mechanism, albeit unsafe and improvised and of course not to be encouraged. Most kids would throw a tantrum and wouldn't move and be miserable. She just gotta learn to trust and share her worries with her folks and her teacher.

School at that age should be a sheer joy, not a horrid punishment. At any age, really...but let's help kids to have a bit of control and trust there. I couldn't wait to wake up and go. It was our "job", not just an endless duty to serve the adults' priorities.
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PS: locking the entrance is what I would expect in kindergardens and primary schools, certainly not high schools.
Primary schools? Seriously primary school kids are 6-12 - you want to lock them in? I find this really counter the culture of freedom and responsibility that Switzerland wants to instill from a young age and that is IMHO an amazing culture.

Your kids will face adversity. The earlier you accept that and teach them what to do when this happens, the better. It is not possible for any parent to shield children from everything. Shit happens. They will fall, they will hurt themselves, they will get lost, they will be confronted with adults who may not be kind to them. It is what it is.

Having the school open is a good idea also so that teachers know ANYONE including their supervisors or other teachers could drop in any time. I think this is also a form of safety for the kids if at any point there was something strange going on.

Again, 1 kid escaped from KG. There are obviously issues to be solved. Why the heck would we lock everyone in including primary schools?

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In my child's school they do lock the main doors during classes and nobody commented anything on this. You'd have to ring the bell in order to get in if you're late more than 5 or 10 minutes. I don't know since when or why, whether it was a decision taken by the school's director or some parents complained. (suburbs of ZH city, possibly "affluent" parents complained... but if so, I'm glad they did)

TBH I personally appreciate they walk to school or kindergarten alone, or rather, with a friend or a group of kids, but I would be worried if they were allowed to go home at hours when parents could be somewhere else. I would prefer to be called to pick up the child, I think just letting the child walk away just because she wishes so it's wrong. I don't even think teachers would do that, at least not for the kids that young as OP's. And yes, I used to walk to school alone or with my classmates too so it's not like I wouldn't encourage independence, I also had a key from our house and was very independent before my parents got home (ate, washed teeth, made homework, play, read etc etc etc), but that didn't happen in kindergarten. In kindergarten I would wait till one of them came to pick me up, usually at 4 p.m. (different systems, different times) It never crossed my mind to go home before the programme was over. Similarly, if you wanted to go home or wherever before the school ended was considered "absence" and the teacher would call the parents and make a huge deal....perhaps we weren't independent enough...(nah, I don't really think so)

A small child walking in the street alone when there are no other kids to accompany her (because they should be in kindergarten or school at that hour)..... it looks a bit weird. I think they're more vulnerable in these circumstances, but that is just my opinion. I would really not want that happening with my own kids. But hey, each to their own.

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C'mon, now, dbucar, you know what swisspea means -- she termed this a "family rule", clearly indicating that it applies to those in a single household. It is certainly not too much to ask that those who are living in the same family home afford the others the courtesy of letting them know where they are going and what time they will be returning. I agree with swisspea that this should apply regardless of the ages of those in the home. If Grandma lives with her adult child and leaves to run errands, isn't it prudent for the adult child to know what time to expect Grandma's return in order to determine whether or not something might have happened to her?

No reasonable person would have the expectation of an adult child living on their own to inform their parent of the ins and outs of their daily schedule.

Actually, even my very adult parents send their three grown-up children an itinerary when they travel. And I also know the name and address of their doctor, lawyer, accountant and where to find their wills.


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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

Swiss culture expects kids to have a certain degree of independency by the time they start Kindergarten. They are expected to understand when it's safe to cross a road, how to come back home, what to do if they get lost, and understand that they have to stay at school. This is a huge cultural shock for many immigrants as, in most countries, parents and/or teachers are expected to take care of these things.

Switzerland is a safe country, but if a kid is not mature enough to understand these concepts or doesn't know any better, it is the parents sole responsibility to look after their kids safety. The OP's kid is a clear example, she didn't want to stay at school and decided to go back home but didn't know what to do after she got there. That is neither the teacher's nor the kid's fault.
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TBH I personally appreciate they walk to school or kindergarten alone, or rather, with a friend or a group of kids, but I would be worried if they were allowed to go home at hours when parents could be somewhere else. I would prefer to be called to pick up the child, I think just letting the child walk away just because she wishes so it's wrong. I don't even think teachers would do that, at least not for the kids that young as OP's. And yes, I used to walk to school alone or with my classmates too so it's not like I wouldn't encourage independence, I also had a key from our house and was very independent before my parents got home (ate, washed teeth, made homework, play, read etc etc etc), but that didn't happen in kindergarten. In kindergarten I would wait till one of them came to pick me up, usually at 4 p.m. (different systems, different times) It never crossed my mind to go home before the programme was over. Similarly, if you wanted to go home or wherever before the school ended was considered "absence" and the teacher would call the parents and make a huge deal....perhaps we weren't independent enough...(nah, I don't really think so)

A small child walking in the street alone when there are no other kids to accompany her (because they should be in kindergarten or school at that hour)..... it looks a bit weird. I think they're more vulnerable in these circumstances, but that is just my opinion. I would really not want that happening with my own kids. But hey, each to their own.
Of course kids should not be allowed to go home when they wish! Just I do not believe locking them in is the way. What about when you are out for a trip then? If you have not taught that then what? It is about understanding why it happened in this instance that a child feel the need to do it when all the others do not. This is the issue here. It could be anything from "I don't know just felt like it" to "I hate my teacher she is a mean witch" etc etc etc. This is what needs to be handled, not locking in children who if they really want to, will still find a way to escape. They should not want to escape.
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Of course kids should not be allowed to go home when they wish! Just I do not believe locking them in is the way. What about when you are out for a trip then? If you have not taught that then what? It is about understanding why it happened in this instance that a child feel the need to do it when all the others do not. This is the issue here. It could be anything from "I don't know just felt like it" to "I hate my teacher she is a mean witch" etc etc etc. This is what needs to be handled, not locking in children who if they really want to, will still find a way to escape. They should not want to escape.
As in my other post on this thread, I agree there are underlying issues here that need to be fixed and perhaps this is where OP should start (why did her child want to "run away" in the first place) but I don't think locking the school's door is wrong. As for the trips etc, it's exactly the same issue, a child should be taught to stick with the group and if something happens what to do in certain situations, how to ask for help, where to go first etc. I did teach my kids basic stuff like that but pray they're wise enough not to get away from the group without letting their supervisor or other kids know. But these rules are repeated over and over by their teachers too so I assume most kids do get it in the end.
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Oh, yes, many children did and do have keys. And yes, all for teaching children to be responsible.

Keys, here in Switzerland, may well be KABA, and thereby so much more expensive, and if one is renting one has to apply to the caretaker or landlord to have an extra key cut.

By no means do all children lose their keys. But if they do, geting an extra one cut needs the landlord's permission, or at least an application to the caretaker, and in the worse case, one might be required to replace all the locks in the building.

If one comes from abroad, one needs to know about this system, before deciding whether or not to give a specific child a key.
In order to avoid the expense of replacing an expensive key (or all the locks!) there are services like KeyFinder - you pay a small fee to register a number of keyrings, each engraved with an individual ID number. If somebody finds your keyring lying about, they can drop it into any Swiss post box and it will be sent back to the company and they will forward it to you along with a 15 franc bill (I think - it's not much, compared to the alternative!).

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As in my other post on this thread, I agree there are underlying issues here that need to be fixed and perhaps this is where OP should start (why did her child want to "run away" in the first place) but I don't think locking the school's door is wrong. As for the trips etc, it's exactly the same issue, a child should be taught to stick with the group and if something happens what to do in certain situations, how to ask for help, where to go first etc. I did teach my kids basic stuff like that but pray they're wise enough not to get away from the group without letting their supervisor or other kids know. But these rules are repeated over and over by their teachers too so I assume most kids do get it in the end.
I work in a primary school, and after the normal arrival time the external doors to the building are locked but, in accordance with fire safety laws, they can all be opened from the inside by anybody tall enough to reach the door handle. We don't lock children inside classrooms (except once by accident, when a child decided it would be fun to hide in a classroom to avoid sport in the afternoon; their absence was noticed before we'd even left the building, and they were found immediately).
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Omg this is so scary. My fiance whom is swiss always says that Switzerland is safe and kids walk to school by themselves but I could not imagine. I would be very upset, how dare the teacher blame you guys. Yes, you have every right to be upset! I pray this doesn't happen to my kids once we move here.
The child is six years old and yes if the kid has not got to the point of being able to come and go on their own it is the parents fault - they have not been preparing the child for this day as they should have been.
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Omg this is so scary. My fiance whom is swiss always says that Switzerland is safe and kids walk to school by themselves but I could not imagine.
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The child is six years old and yes if the kid has not got to the point of being able to come and go on their own it is the parents fault - they have not been preparing the child for this day as they should have been.
@Naimah, the preparation would go something like this. First of all, many parents of babies join some sort of "Moms Group" or "Dads Group" or a mixed parents group. This could be a casual chat with people from the neighbourhood who happen to go to the same park or playground, or a more formal group to play, or to learn baby massage or to dance or do exercises together, to get fit. Many small children attend play-groups, and some are taken care of in creches or by day-mothers. Even parents who do not work full-time and who stay at home full-time with their children, tend to seek out such care or gatherings in groups for their toddler and small child, for at least some hours a week. The aim is to give the child opportunities to learn the joys and limitations of socialising with peers, and of the structure of the group under the leadership of one or more adults. During such times, the parents are not present.

Once the child is about six months younger than the intake age for Kindergarten, the parents walk along the route from home to Kindergarten. They take note of the safest places to cross the road, the sides of the street with the best visibility (from the point of view of a driver), suitable meeting-points, etc. Then, as the date approaches, they walk the route with the child, taking care to do it exactly the same way each time. They might agree on names for some points along the way: The Big Tree, or The End Of The Driveway or The Steps. Next, the parents wait at one point, and send the child out to walk to the next point, so that they can wave from a distance. After a number of walks, the child will have learnt the route.

Depending on the Kindergarten, there is sometimes and Open Day towards the end of the school year, and the children who will be in the new intake after summer are invited to attend, with their parents. This gives everyone an idea of how things are going to look.

On the first day of Kindergarten, the parents walk with the child, right into the classroom. Bit by bit, the parents wean their children off needing accompaniment. For some children, this is from Day 2, others need support and guidance for longer.

The aim is always to teach the child all the skills he or she needs to be able to leave home in good time not to be late, to pack and take with them all that they need, to walk to school by themselves, meeting up with other children along the way, attend Kindergarten, fit in with what the teachers say, participate actively, finish up and tidy up in time for the end, pack his/her things into the bag or box where they're supposed to be, and take all the right things for home, and walk home without adult supervision.
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Actually in our case it is the police recommended route. And during first couple of weeks of the autumn term police officers take the kids out in small groups to walk their route, pointing out the dangers etc...

And in any case there will be other kids on the route at the same time as well as parents walking smaller kids to school. So they really are not out in the wild on their own.
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What is your cullture? Interesting point.


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The 'What ifs' are normal for parents. kids don't usually know about those...



Tell her off sternly, send the message that it's absolutely not Ok for her to just leave school without telling her teacher.



she learnt her lesson today. She will probably never do it again.


In my culture, there is an age where we let children get 'lost' - either at a large park or in a shopping centre. If they wander away from us, we don't let them see us...they need to feel lost....of course, we are still watching them... but they need to feel that fear of being lost, so they realise it's a serious thing and their parents are not aways present to rescue them.
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@Naimah, the preparation would go something like this. First of all, many parents of babies join some sort of "Moms Group" or "Dads Group" or a mixed parents group. This could be a casual chat with people from the neighbourhood who happen to go to the same park or playground, or a more formal group to play, or to learn baby massage or to dance or do exercises together, to get fit. Many small children attend play-groups, and some are taken care of in creches or by day-mothers. Even parents who do not work full-time and who stay at home full-time with their children, tend to seek out such care or gatherings in groups for their toddler and small child, for at least some hours a week. The aim is to give the child opportunities to learn the joys and limitations of socialising with peers, and of the structure of the group under the leadership of one or more adults. During such times, the parents are not present.

Once the child is about six months younger than the intake age for Kindergarten, the parents walk along the route from home to Kindergarten. They take note of the safest places to cross the road, the sides of the street with the best visibility (from the point of view of a driver), suitable meeting-points, etc. Then, as the date approaches, they walk the route with the child, taking care to do it exactly the same way each time. They might agree on names for some points along the way: The Big Tree, or The End Of The Driveway or The Steps. Next, the parents wait at one point, and send the child out to walk to the next point, so that they can wave from a distance. After a number of walks, the child will have learnt the route.

Depending on the Kindergarten, there is sometimes and Open Day towards the end of the school year, and the children who will be in the new intake after summer are invited to attend, with their parents. This gives everyone an idea of how things are going to look.

On the first day of Kindergarten, the parents walk with the child, right into the classroom. Bit by bit, the parents wean their children off needing accompaniment. For some children, this is from Day 2, others need support and guidance for longer.

The aim is always to teach the child all the skills he or she needs to be able to leave home in good time not to be late, to pack and take with them all that they need, to walk to school by themselves, meeting up with other children along the way, attend Kindergarten, fit in with what the teachers say, participate actively, finish up and tidy up in time for the end, pack his/her things into the bag or box where they're supposed to be, and take all the right things for home, and walk home without adult supervision.
All excellent pieces of advice in my opinion. Even if one of the parents stays at home full time they should try to socialise their child in a more formal setting e.g. play groups or creche at least a couple of times per week, it does make a difference. Plus in terms of speaking the local language, the earlier they start, the better. I know in some cases there is this tendency to let the child for too long in their comfort zone "She's shy" or "She plays only with her sibling" etc etc. I have heard it all.
It can be helpful to talk about kindergarten/school in very positive terms and very often, long before it actually starts, and induce the idea that starting kindergarten for instance is a milestone in growing up, becoming a "big girl/boy". A child should look forward to starting kindergarten/school. I remember I was so proud and repeated in my memory what I'll be doing in a day - step by step, already feeling like a "mature" person. OK, having an older sibling helped me understand better and faster what is expected from me but I know a family here whose youngest one still doesn't seem to "get it"... Spoil your children wisely.
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