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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

People have made the following points:
- You need to tell your daughter that she must not leave Kindergarten
- You need to tell the school that they need to fix something (with the doors or with the supervision) so your daughter can't leave.
- You need to teach your daughter how to get to your home on her own.

I think it is important that you understand why your daughter went home in the middle of the day. Most kids of kindergarten age don't do this. Some things to consider...
- Was it just a silly one time little-kids-are-little-kids thing?
- Is there something happening at the kindergarten with the other kids or the teacher that made your daughter want to run away?
- Was there a misunderstanding with the schedule - did she think it was time to go home?
- Does she not understand that it was school time?
- Was she homesick or did she miss you?
- Is there something else that she was concerned about that she thought she needed to be home for?

Anyway... if it wasn't just a 'little thing' and you really want to prevent this happening in the future, you won't be able to fix this without listening to your child and understanding why she made this decision.
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:04
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@Naimah, the preparation would go something like this. First of all, many parents of babies join some sort of "Moms Group" or "Dads Group" or a mixed parents group. This could be a casual chat with people from the neighbourhood who happen to go to the same park or playground, or a more formal group to play, or to learn baby massage or to dance or do exercises together, to get fit. Many small children attend play-groups, and some are taken care of in creches or by day-mothers. Even parents who do not work full-time and who stay at home full-time with their children, tend to seek out such care or gatherings in groups for their toddler and small child, for at least some hours a week. The aim is to give the child opportunities to learn the joys and limitations of socialising with peers, and of the structure of the group under the leadership of one or more adults. During such times, the parents are not present.

Once the child is about six months younger than the intake age for Kindergarten, the parents walk along the route from home to Kindergarten. They take note of the safest places to cross the road, the sides of the street with the best visibility (from the point of view of a driver), suitable meeting-points, etc. Then, as the date approaches, they walk the route with the child, taking care to do it exactly the same way each time. They might agree on names for some points along the way: The Big Tree, or The End Of The Driveway or The Steps. Next, the parents wait at one point, and send the child out to walk to the next point, so that they can wave from a distance. After a number of walks, the child will have learnt the route.

Depending on the Kindergarten, there is sometimes and Open Day towards the end of the school year, and the children who will be in the new intake after summer are invited to attend, with their parents. This gives everyone an idea of how things are going to look.

On the first day of Kindergarten, the parents walk with the child, right into the classroom. Bit by bit, the parents wean their children off needing accompaniment. For some children, this is from Day 2, others need support and guidance for longer.

The aim is always to teach the child all the skills he or she needs to be able to leave home in good time not to be late, to pack and take with them all that they need, to walk to school by themselves, meeting up with other children along the way, attend Kindergarten, fit in with what the teachers say, participate actively, finish up and tidy up in time for the end, pack his/her things into the bag or box where they're supposed to be, and take all the right things for home, and walk home without adult supervision.
Two other things to be aware of, which show how seriously the Swiss take this and how integrated it is into the culture.

1. A couple of weeks before school opening, there are signs everywhere telling drivers to be careful of kids. It seems like every advertising sign, notice board and open space owned by the councils is used.

2. The kids get reflective fluorescent "streifen" to wear (or sometimes a vest) - everybody knows what they means, and locally most people know that colours indicate different ages.

There's a good page about all this on the TCS site:

https://translate.google.com/transla...ussgaenger.php
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Hello everyone..
I'm not sure which area I should post this topic...
Today my kids for the first time escaped from her kindergarten, she's going to be 6 years old in few days.
We live not far from the kindergarten but still it scared me a lot even till now I still feel uneasy in my heart thinking that something might happen to my little girl when she's alone out there without her teacher and parents notice that she's not in the school where she should be at those time.
She came up home with the help of a man passing by near home (we live on the third floor and my girl didn't know how to open the door, we didn't teach her yet how to ring the door from outside as we always go in and out together)
So she was waiting there outside near the street for more than 20mins till that kindhearted man help her ring the door n take her up to the third floor..

I was shocked n wondering what happened,.. I thought she sent back home because she doesn't feel fine but she's OK, why she came back home with a stranger, not the teacher and she still with full dress the way I dressed her to school this morning, so that mean she didn't even take off her hat and jacket yet since her teacher took her inside the school.
I asked her what happened and she keep saying while crying that she doesn't want to go to school.
I was so confused as she keeps crying, fortunately my husband came back home in that moment (he went to migros directly after took our girl to kindergarten)
He also got shocked as he found our girl who suppose to be in her school already back home hugging me tight while crying..
I told him that there is a man took her home.
I asked him to call the teacher to ask what happened. But the moment my husband going to press the call button, the teacher called...at the end we're blamed for what happened.

So for those more than 20mins we didn't get any news from the teacher saying that our girl escape form the school, what will happen if she walk somewhere else and get lost?, what will happen if she met someone with bad intentions?

If you're Us will you be able to feel quiet in your heart?

My daughter did something similiar.
My mum was visiting from Ireland and was at home.
I walk the girls to school in the morning, dropped her to school and went onto the station. About 20 mins later I got a call from the school, they said she never arrived (despite me seeing her in the door).


Essentially she waited for me to leave and left again for home as granny was back in bed. She went home and got into bed with my mum I rushed home (mum is bad with mobiles and phones she has parkinsons) to find the pair of them in bed having a great time.


My daughter just decided that this was a better use of her time.


They are very autonomous here - I do remember an Irish friend commenting once (when she came on the walk to school & krippe with us ) that "the doors are not locked". It surprised me - it is true. Part of the education system here is the automony of walking to school, arriving on time, changing shoes, greeting the teacher etc. When I spoke to friends about this (like you, I had a shock and wasnt crazy about hte idea of them walking around the village alone) many of them had similiar stories of their kids wandering off to look at cows in fields etc. Talk to the teacher and talk to your daughter.


Best of luck.
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Old 21.10.2020, 12:29
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Re: Kindergarten Kids escaped from school

In some other countries, the child is either under the supervision of the parents/nanny/grandparents or else under the supervision of the teachers. There is no inbetween time, when the child is responsible for herself, at least, not until the child is much older, sometimes starting only with teenagehood, or even only with leaving the parent's home to go away to study or to marry.

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Part of the education system here is the automony of walking to school, arriving on time, changing shoes, greeting the teacher etc.
Yes, exactly. Here in Switzerland, "school" and "learning what one needs to grow up" isn't just in the building. The learning process includes the expectation that the child gets themselves to school and back. Also that they learn to pack their bag responsibly, the night before, and learn to select the right clothes for the weather, know when to set off from home in order to arrive punctually, and then properly greet the teacher, politely, and also their classmates, that the properly hang up their jackets and all day long have with them the things they were supposed to bring along.

Irish marmot is right. It's about the whole process of gaining autonomy.
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My daughter just decided that this was a better use of her time.
I know it made you worried sick.

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Old 21.10.2020, 12:39
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...My daughter just decided that this was a better use of her time...
Aww, how sweet. I agree with her it was a good use of her time. Maybe not appropriate in terms of Swiss rules but it's something you and she won't forget.

I miss my granny.
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Old 21.10.2020, 12:48
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2. The kids get reflective fluorescent "streifen" to wear (or sometimes a vest) - everybody knows what they means, and locally most people know that colours indicate different ages.
When did they start that?

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When did they start that?

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I assume you mean the different ages, not the streifen since that seems to have been around forever?

It's always been like that here; yellow = K1 and orange = K2
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It can be helpful to talk about kindergarten/school in very positive terms and very often, long before it actually starts, and induce the idea that starting kindergarten for instance is a milestone in growing up, becoming a "big girl/boy". A child should look forward to starting kindergarten/school. I remember I was so proud and repeated in my memory what I'll be doing in a day - step by step, already feeling like a "mature" person.
Yes, exactly. This applies by analogy to learning how to appreciate the public transport, and to make it feel like a happy, strong day, when the child sets off by himself.

Children who might live too far away from school (unusual in cities, but sometimes it happens) or from their music lessons or sports club, learn how to get there safely by bicycle (not really so fashionable amongst children, currently) and by public transport. It's unusual to see 5 or 6-year-olds travel by themselves (although some do) but certainly 10-year olds.

Before then, of course, the parents have taught the child, then transitioned to letting the child instruct the parents on all aspects: timing, ticket, perhaps ticket machine, how to press the button to get into the bus, how to let the people inside the bus get out first, how not to push, to pay attention to frail people, to learn the names of the stops along the way, to pay attention to landmarks, and to be ready in time to press the right bell or button to get out at the right stop. And what to do if something goes wrong. And how to get home again afterwards.

The child gains confidence, the parents start to believe in the child's ability, and then they do several test runs, with another adult waiting at the other end of the journey. All this, and the thrill of it all, are reinforced long before the actual journey is necessary.
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When did they start that?

Tom
My kids received them as well. The police comes at least once a year in each and every class to teach the kids how to cross the roads and later how to read road signs and use a bike on the road.

Part of the police visit is devoted to practice: they get out and train together at crossing the road and so on.

My commune organises bike practice every year where the kids learn breaking distances and how to go on the road with policemen.
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I assume you mean the different ages, not the streifen since that seems to have been around forever?

It's always been like that here; yellow = K1 and orange = K2
The bands have existed as long as we’ve lived here but where we are there are no colour differences, they’re all fluorescent yellow.
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If a parent wants to visit, they can just ring and someone can come and open...?

Or do you think they should be welcome to just enter a class out of the blue? Because this is definitely discouraged where I live.
I agree with you. Safeguarding seems to have a couple of holes.
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In some other countries, the child is either under the supervision of the parents/nanny/grandparents or else under the supervision of the teachers. There is no inbetween time, when the child is responsible for herself, at least, not until the child is much older, sometimes starting only with teenagehood, or even only with leaving the parent's home to go away to study or to marry.


Yes, exactly. Here in Switzerland, "school" and "learning what one needs to grow up" isn't just in the building. The learning process includes the expectation that the child gets themselves to school and back. Also that they learn to pack their bag responsibly, the night before, and learn to select the right clothes for the weather, know when to set off from home in order to arrive punctually, and then properly greet the teacher, politely, and also their classmates, that the properly hang up their jackets and all day long have with them the things they were supposed to bring along.

Irish marmot is right. It's about the whole process of gaining autonomy.
There is a middle ground. In the UK, schools act in loco parentis. That doesn't preclude kids from learning autonomy /skills etc. It does, however, mean that schools are not open to the public (shudder) and kids cannot just walk out.

My daughter is responsible for sorting herself out at school but is not allowed to leave until collected by an adult. Because she is 6. Kids are typically 10 ish before getting to school alone here.
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Kids are typically 10 ish before getting to school alone here.
By that age I was distributing magazines and collecting the quarterly subscription fees.
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By that age I was distributing magazines and collecting the quarterly subscription fees.
It is 6-7yr in CZ and 4-5yr here, isn't it.

Independent kids are not left alone to fend for themselves, the envolvement of community is quite invisible but high. Like the guy in OP who helped her get in. Or somebody who passed their umbrella out of a car window to my kid when she forgot hers. They just gave it to her and drove off.
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It is 6-7yr in CZ and 4-5yr here, isn't it.
4-5 yr olds are not expected to go to school alone here. For the first two years (previously called enfantine) kids are still accompanied to school.
It’s only from 3rd Harmos so age 6-7 that they go to school alone.
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4-5 yr olds are not expected to go to school alone here. For the first two years (previously called enfantine) kids are still accompanied to school.
It’s only from 3rd Harmos so age 6-7 that they go to school alone.
That very much depends where one lives. School pushed on parents to stop accompanying the kids since 1st enfantine, but I still did, there is a lot of traffic. But most of my local friends didn't accompany the kids since the kids started school at 4/5.
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By that age I was distributing magazines and collecting the quarterly subscription fees.
Good for you. It's a different world now. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
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It is 6-7yr in CZ and 4-5yr here, isn't it.

Independent kids are not left alone to fend for themselves, the envolvement of community is quite invisible but high. Like the guy in OP who helped her get in. Or somebody who passed their umbrella out of a car window to my kid when she forgot hers. They just gave it to her and drove off.
Lots of community here, but safeguarding is safeguarding. And there are many nutters around. I'm sure they even exist in CH.
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That very much depends where one lives. School pushed on parents to stop accompanying the kids since 1st enfantine, but I still did, there is a lot of traffic. But most of my local friends didn't accompany the kids since the kids started school at 4/5.
You see I genuinely find that appalling. But I suppose it's the culture one is most used to /comfortable with. I've still no got over being able to walk into a daycare in my Swiss village because no doors were locked. I met 5 kids before I encountered an adult.
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