Plus, when they return from holiday they dare complain they lost their job (due to this foolish behavior intensifying and prolonging lockdowns, causing more economic damage).

Interesting - perhaps not everyone sees this crisis in the same way as you?
If we'd all carried on working, getting on with life, crying for those who died, burying them and carrying on like people did before the age of Twitter and generalised hysteria, then it would be nearly over now. About 0.5% of the population would have died, nearly all over 75, and hardly anyone would have lost their job or would be threatened with it. (or worse, in poorer countries)
I take it you're not a Swede, neither am I, but this last 10 months I've often wished I was. Death is part of life and cannot be banned, the attempts to do so are doing more damage than the virus. IMO keeping the economic wheels spinning is really important.

Yep, a valid viewpoint, but not one followed by the Swiss government. When you know that the path chosen by the government means more infections (harmful or not) will lead to lockdown, economic damage, job losses, is it really the smart thing to go on airplane holiday ?

Why not? What's the alternative - look at the walls waiting to be made redundant? The less people do, the more economic damage there will be. If you want this over quickly, you should be spreading it around as much as you can among those who won't be hurt by it. The governments missed a trick in the summer, they should have sponsored massive holiday camps for the young so they all caught it, with a negative test a requirement before going home to parents. Less costly than lockdowns.
It's not as if this can be stopped, lockdown just pushes the end date out further. I might keep someone in the Canaries in a job for a month longer than otherwise, or a flight attendant, who knows. (ok, not at those flight prices, but you get the idea)
I dunno, I'm still assessing the possibilities for now, but I certainly won't feel any guilt at all if I do go.

"Travel to Canary Islands still requires quarantine on return?"

Not any more!?

I agree with many of the points you make- over-protecting the elderly especially those who have very poor quality of life- at the cost of the livelihoods of young people and families- does not sit well with me. And yet, my OH will soon be 75 and is just not ready to pop his clogs- he nearly did 3 years ago- and is very happy and active - but, yes- I get your point.


NOT talking here about lock down- this thread is about holidays, and flying. And I truly believe that can wait for now- and that doing so, unless a real family emergency is just not on, and very selfish.

You can rant all you want, you should take the swiss government and their response as a given and learn to deal with it.

seems crazy that from Friday I cannot go into France less than a km away- and yet I could go to GVA and fly to Greece or Tenerife???

Do as you're told, serf, it's not for you to ask questions?
Hmm.
If the government are so marvellous and perfectly in agreement with you, why did they lift the quarantine regulations?
It would be a little more impressive if you presented a decent argument that refuted even one of my points.

Not to worry, I have the change I wanted, will decide over the next few days.


That seems more of an emotional reaction to me than a rational argument - a bit "no-one else is having fun so it's slightly distasteful of you to consider doing so". Perhaps you're right, I'm not very sensitive to zeitgeists.

Anyway the main reason I replied was to say good luck to the OH, give him at least 4000iu of Vitamin D3 and 40-50mg of Zinc a day, lots of fresh dark greens for the other vitamins and keep him slim and fit - all that together will improve his chances of shrugging the lurgi off hugely. I haven't read the Covid threads on this forum, those points may have been discussed, but the benefits of those two supplements are proven science, proper double-blind trials not bullshit, it's all out there if you look.

Nope, my point is more about being flexible and working within the given circumstances.

Because unless you have voting rights, come till election time there's no changing the government. You may try to change the governments mind, but they look out for the interests of all parties, not just for you.

You keep on repeating this... that doesnt make it true.



1. What part of a vacation in a less affected place than your home is "madness"? Thats what Newton did during a pandemic... exactly at the time he wrote about gravity. You dont have to get drunk in a cheap and crowded bar just because you are on vacation. Its totally possible to spend your time in ways that are just as safe as staying at home.


2. How exactly am I putting anyone at risk if I follow rules from the airline as well as in Spain that are a lot tougher and stringent than anything in Switzerland?



You know what this situation really needs? People who manage to somehow neither panic nor wear tinfoil hats... but a logical, science based approach.

I agree that you are probably safer in Tenerife than here at the mo. My comment was made after a UK friend sent me photos shared by her best friend on return from Greece last week. They were assured that the airport and location would be totally safe- and they were. After the hols, they got back to a massively busy airport, massive queues, no social distancing possible in high heat- and a plane full to the rafters too. That for me is the dangerous part, not the location in itself. Kids had to return straight to schoo, and they straight to work- last Monday.



The situation is getting really serious all over the EU, and people from high risk countries, like indeed Switzerland, are all flocking to the few locations still open to them - putting everyone at increased risk.

I'm generally happy with the Swiss government, they aren't perfect, how could any government be so? - but as for many expats in Switzerland, they're so many times better than my country of birth that it's embarrassing. And in this case they've done what I hoped for, so I certainly can't complain.


I'm not going to the 'Rife' - the island I go to has about 60 active cases. The airport is more spacious (per head) than either of the Tenerife airports. My plan is to surf (not much virus out there), do yoga, fast, sunbathe, swim and mainly eat in, I normally eat in restaurants but my understanding is that masks are a requirement even outdoors, so s*d that. Very dull really, but the idea is to return fit, lighter, brown and loaded up with Vitamin D and good spirits to get through what looks to be an unpleasant winter ahead. Not interested in partying drunkenly and sharing bodily fluids with all and sundry, I'm a bit old for that.

I'm far, far more likely to catch Covid here than there, and the journey will be masked up with constant handwashing/disinfection.

Little update: the islands remain open but as of yesterday (finally) require a negative test not older than 72 hrs on entry.

...and remember, if you plan to travel to Spain, you need to arrive with a valid 'tracking' QR code upon entrance (the police will request it upon arrival).

You can find the link for all the details in the official ministry of interior here:

https://www.spth.gob.es/faq?tab=1

that will make your arrival easier (otherwise, you have to fill a paper in the plane, and you will be on the 'slow lane', as they check all the papers) and faster (if you have a QR code on your phone - one per person, they read it directly)

(The QR is needed from travellers of ALL nationalities)

Canary islands looking for 30,000 Remote workers to make the islands their home

The Canary Islands wants to cash in on the remote working boom that's been amplified
by companies embracing home working rather than return to the office, as one of
the major changes thanks to the Covid pandemic and the permanent changes likely
to take place in the post-Covid world.

Quote:
The regional government is ready to invest half a million euros to try to attract national
and international remote workers in the medium term.
Their target of 30,000 full-time teleworkers would be a great benefit to businesses and
the hospitality sector on the Islands, decimated over the last months by a lack of
tourists and visitors.
The idea is not new, the Caribbean Islands launched a similar project earlier this year
and by all accounts are doing rather well.

Euronews - Forget tourism, Spain's Canary Islands searches for 30,000 teleworkers to settle on the Islands

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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?

Fornicate the economy, it will recover, that is as sure as an amen in church, remember money always looks after it´s self.
It may not be YOUR economy that keeps spinning if that is what you are worried about but as a whole it will rebound, perhaps it will cut a lot of the excess baggage along the way, at least until it gets bloated beyond all reasoning again.
I don´t know, sacrifice the elderly just for the economy? I think the way we treat the most vulnerable defines us as a civilization. Casting them off when they become a burden is barbaric and no different from cultures some people would call primitive.
We are better than that.

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Back in Bavaria, god´s own belly button.

No-one has suggested sacrificing anyone - the obvious thing to do is shield the vulnerable as well as possible, including the elderly, while getting on with life and allowing immunity to build in the the rest of the population, which will in itself begin to protect the vulnerable.

Little update: my week on tenerife is over... and was totally awesome.

1. Hotels are easily half empty. We got a room upgrade and the common areas never felt crowded. The hotel did everything imaginable to make us feel safe. They had a website in place where guests had to book their breakfast time slot the day before to avoid crowds at peak times... obviously no open buffet and so on but really well responded to the situation.
2. All businesses took hygiene and distancing rules extremely seriously. Way more than Germany, Luxembourg and Switzerland. Police seems to be very actively controlling and enforcing the rules.

Weather was around 30 degrees, full sunshine for a week and we felt a lot more secure than at home. I am most likely booking again for Christmas.

What did you do to get a negative test certificate?
I don't want to go to the hospital and queue up among sick people - a friend of mine did that and he and his wife were sick for a fortnight with something they caught in the queue, and to add the indignity it wasn't even Covid so they haven't even got the relief of knowing they're immune to it now!