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Just Ignore Tom, he groans everyone. Heíll probably groan me ...

Why donít you check with the communal authorities or the police.
Ive called police and gone to their office. Because its public land, apparently there is nothing they can do.. but I don't buy that people can permanently leave their bikes on public land! Do you think there are grounds for a lawsuit?
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Old 01.11.2020, 18:09
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The police have not helped and traffic office says they are technically allowed to park anywhere..
'Nuff said.
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Old 01.11.2020, 18:11
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Not at all.



Which agrees with what I stated, i.e. "Anything that is not legally forbidden, is permitted."

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So why don't people park their bikes permanently outside a hotel or coffee shop? Surely there IS a rule for this!!

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Tom is talking bollox as per the usual. Bikes are not allowed to park where they obstruct passage and must always leave at least 1.5 metres of space on the footpath. They are also not allowed to park in places that have an official sign prohibiting parking. Regarding the shop obstruction, while I cannot find an official ruling on the matter, I've now found several guidances that clearly state that parking in shops should be avoided.

@OP - if the bikes are decrepit and not locked, I would consider them to be illegally discarded rubbish, which in turn becomes the problem of the ERZ. If one or more of them have still not been moved after a month, I would shoot them a message.


I would also not be above letting the air out a tyre every now and then. Not of all bikes, just the one that has not been moved for the longest (a thin piece of thread attached around two moving parts could serve as an indicator).
I will try calling ERZ tomorrow to see if they can remove them, if in fact they can not be here for more than 4 weeks.

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Old 01.11.2020, 18:16
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So why don't people park their bikes permanently outside a hotel or coffee shop? Surely there IS a rule for this!!
Because if you have a bunch of waiters kicking in your spokes you don't do it more than once.

Sounds like this is a thing that has built up over time, and now you have a lot of resistance to it changing.
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Because if you have a bunch of waiters kicking in your spokes you don't do it more than once.

Sounds like this is a thing that has built up over time, and now you have a lot of resistance to it changing.
Yep thats exactly right. One of the neighbors physically assaulted me just for pivoting his bike away from my shop window.. they are always watching out the windows to see if people touch their bikes. So ridiculous!
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Yep thats exactly right. One of the neighbors physically assaulted me just for pivoting his bike away from my shop window.. they are always watching out the windows to see if people touch their bikes. So ridiculous!
So next time you do it get a couple of big mates to come around, shows you mean business and if you're not damaging the bikes I don't see any harm.

If someone physically assaults you, that you definitely can report to the police.
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Re: Bicycle Parking on Public Land

I feel your pain. There must be something you can do. Here is a half serious suggestion: Put a prominent sign in your window announcing "Free Bikes". This might allow some market forces to become engaged.

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Old 01.11.2020, 19:01
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So next time you do it get a couple of big mates to come around, shows you mean business and if you're not damaging the bikes I don't see any harm.
Very bad advice.

Unless you want other people to touch YOUR property, don't touch theirs.

Unless there is a sign that prohibits bicycle parking, or they fail to leave 1m5 space, they are legal, and you are bitching about nothing.

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Very bad advice.

Unless you want other people to touch YOUR property, don't touch theirs.

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Well, that sorta works both ways now doesn't it Tom, since these bikes are being attached to the OP's property. Could he theoretically complain under the trespass laws? Or private property ones?
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Yep thats exactly right. One of the neighbors physically assaulted me just for pivoting his bike away from my shop window.. they are always watching out the windows to see if people touch their bikes. So ridiculous!
Don't touch other people's property, moron!

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Old 01.11.2020, 19:12
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Well, that sorta works both ways now doesn't it Tom, since these bikes are being attached to the OP's property. Could he theoretically complain under the trespass laws? Or private property ones?
They aren't, they are on PUBLIC property, as he clearly stated.

And if they are attached to his, he needs to call the police.

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Well, that sorta works both ways now doesn't it Tom, since these bikes are being attached to the OP's property.
The problem I see is that the bikes are actually on the sidewalk, which is public property. The OP does not own the space in front of the store, only the store itself. I totally sympathize with the OP, this must be hugely frustrating, but I agree with Tom, it doesn't seem that you can do a whole lot about it. No law is being broken. And the police will not be arsed to take any action over this type of dispute.
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They aren't, they are on PUBLIC property, as he clearly stated.

And if they are attached to his, he needs to call the police.

Tom
So what would you do if someone parked 20 old clunkers outside your house and they were monitoring them all the time? Would you just leave them alone? Not a very fair concept in my opinion.
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Re: Bicycle Parking on Public Land

Try "parking" some pots with greens/flowers outside your shop windows
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Try "parking" some pots with greens/flowers outside your shop windows
Or better yet, some spikey cacti.
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Bikes can legally park where they want to.

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Would have thought there'd at least be a rule against obstruction although knowing how people in Switzerland love to block the entire pavement/sidewalk at any opportunity then maybe there isn't. If one person parks their bike across the pavement leaving some space but then someone else parks their bike in that space, who's at fault?!
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Try "parking" some pots with greens/flowers outside your shop windows

Funny you should say that. A business down my road 'parks' a large pot with a large plant in it outside on the pavement/sidewalk, often making it difficult to get past.

Can anyone put anything then out on the pavement as long as there's still 1.5m of space? A row of plant pots? pushchairs? a motorcycle? two-dozen old bicycles?
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Funny you should say that. A business down my road 'parks' a large pot with a large plant in it outside on the pavement/sidewalk, often making it difficult to get past.

Can anyone put anything then out on the pavement as long as there's still 1.5m of space? A row of plant pots? pushchairs? a motorcycle? two-dozen old bicycles?
My question precisely! What, exactly is the rule here? Iím repulsed that this seems to be such a vague subject.
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I got assaulted by my Neighbor. What Should I do?

Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?
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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?

Seeing your other thread, what exactly did you do with his bike? Not that that is an excuse for this behaviour.
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