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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?
Was it a parking place for a car?
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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?

Based on your two threads, probably time to relocate your shop.
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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?

Was the space where you parked his or your parking space?
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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely. As I was getting back into my car, my neighbor came out and grabbed my arm saying "dont touch my bike ever again"!! I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?
Someone grabbed your arm because you touched their bike does not really sound like an assault even if you found that scary imo. So lot of bikes get stolen and damaged each day that I understand your neighbors reaction if he did not know who you were and/or what were you planning to do. If I would see someone touching my bike would also use less of a friendly tone if I dont know the person and/or what are they trying to do as I already had my bike vandalized twice in Zurich.

Did he over-react, yes but maybe he has already lost a bike to thief of someone damaged it earlier.
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Old 02.11.2020, 13:15
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I tried to close my car door but he held it open so I just hit the gas and took off.. It was really scary and I want to report him but IDK if I can even do anything about it. Does anyone know?
With some luck you get soon a visit by the police were you have to explain your side of the encounter. As they say: Da haben sich zwei getroffen.

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My question precisely! What, exactly is the rule here? Iím repulsed that this seems to be such a vague subject.
Tom answered earlier, if it's specifically against the law it's allowed. No interpretation needed of laws here.
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With some luck you get soon a visit by the police were you have to explain your side of the encounter. As they say: Da haben sich zwei getroffen.

Sounds like the OP could be facing an attempted theft charge, had the get away vehicle waiting.
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Tom answered earlier, if it's specifically against the law it's allowed. No interpretation needed of laws here.
Is there a ďcode bookĒ of sorts where I can clarify any of this?
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Old 02.11.2020, 13:29
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Re: Bicycle Parking on Public Land

Before reading any book, were there any lines painted on the floor indicated you could park a car there?
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Seeing your other thread, what exactly did you do with his bike? Not that that is an excuse for this behaviour.
I literally pivoted it about 25 degrees so it wasnít blocking the window.
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Before reading any book, were there any lines painted on the floor indicated you could park a car there?
I had a permit to park temporarily for less than ten minutes.
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Re: Bicycle Parking on Public Land

A slight aside, what are the rules for parking a car on the pavement/sidewalk? I often see cars parked up completely on patches of paved/tarmac'd land where pedestrians have access to pass and where you wouldn't expect a car to be. Do some shop owners have a dispensation to park on these pedestrian areas or are they likely to actually be private land?
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Was the space where you parked his or your parking space?
Public land. I have a permit to mark temporarily.

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No. Public land. I have a permit to park temporarily for unloading items for my shop.

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A slight aside, what are the rules for parking a car on the pavement/sidewalk?
Pavement/sidewalk is clear. Parking is forbidden for cars, trucks, and motorcycles. Stopping for loading/unloading and letting passengers in and out is allowed if at least 1.5 meters are free Art.41 VRV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a41

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I often see cars parked up completely on patches of paved/tarmac'd land where pedestrians have access to pass and where you wouldn't expect a car to be.
On other spaces it depends. But if a vehicle is not allowed to drive there it is also not allowed to park there.

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Do some shop owners have a dispensation to park on these pedestrian areas or are they likely to actually be private land?
On private land anything goes. Regular pedestrians are considered "trespasser" (not really). The corners of private land are marked with a Grenzpunkt https://stadt.winterthur.ch/themen/l...ng/grenzpunkte Otherwise shop owners have no special provisions and must followe the traffic rules.
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Two days ago I was temporarily parking outside my home and adjusted a locked bike so I could park safely.
TBH, based on the overall tone and attitude shown in your posts here, I'm inclined to feel that your "adjustment" was really just moving it out of your way to make space to park. As such you're most certainly in the wrong, and I can also imagine, again from your posting tone, that you were maybe less than reconciliatory with the bike owner when he came out to see what you were doing with it.

You really make a good argument for why we should be more sympathetic to the cyclists than to you. It's clear from the timing of your posts that this incident is what's prompted you to register here to try and find a way to excuse your behaviour...

Now if only DB were still around I'd be expecting a new account to spring up any time around now to complain about some arrogant shopowner who thinks that he's got the right to move other people's property out of his way and got all arsey when challenged about it...
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TBH, based on the overall tone and attitude shown in your posts here, I'm inclined to feel that your "adjustment" was really just moving it out of your way to make space to park. As such you're most certainly in the wrong, and I can also imagine, again from your posting tone, that you were maybe less than reconciliatory with the bike owner when he came out to see what you were doing with it.

You really make a good argument for why we should be more sympathetic to the cyclists than to you. It's clear from the timing of your posts that this incident is what's prompted you to register here to try and find a way to excuse your behaviour...

Now if only DB were still around I'd be expecting a new account to spring up any time around now to complain about some arrogant shopowner who thinks that he's got the right to move other people's property out of his way and got all arsey when challenged about it...
Iím simply asking a question because I donít know how the rules work here. No one else seems to either. Iím not saying Iím right or wrong, just wondering what the LAW Is about people leaving trashy bikes on the street as if itís their private property.
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Iím simply asking a question because I donít know how the rules work here. No one else seems to either.
Well I'm no expert, but it looks to me like at least three people who do know have given you your answers. You clearly don't like them, but repeating the question and refusing to acknowledge or accept the information you've been given will not get you any further.
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Re: I got assaulted by my Neighbor. What Should I do?

Well,the law in FR/DE/IT https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...246/index.html


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(art. 43, al. 1 and 2, LCR)

1 Bicycles can be parked on the sidewalk, as long as there is a free space of at least 1.50 m for pedestrians.1

1bis The parking of other vehicles on the sidewalk is prohibited, unless signs or marks expressly authorize it. In the absence of such signage, they may only stop on the sidewalk to load or unload goods or to allow passengers to get on or off; a space of at least 1.50 m must always be free for pedestrians and operations must be carried out without delay.2
There's nothing in the law about bike styling (trashy bikes) or parking time limit (zero to infinite). The only requirement for bicycle owners is to leave 1.5 m free for pedestrians.

And to be precise:

  • The bikes are not on the street, they're on the sidewalk which is public space.
  • Or is there something in your rental contract that specifies that the front of the store it's part of the space you're renting? That's possible too, sometimes property limits are just marked with some stones in the pavement. What does the landlord says?
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