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Googling around I found that just a handful of fines have been handed out for breaking the UK quarantine regulations. Has anyone tried to circumnavigate this by either ignoring it or flying from an airport in a country that still has a travel corridor open? I'm seriously considering driving up to Frankfurt or down to Milan for a flight to the UK in the Autumn, obviously there's still a risk that either Italy or Germany could be on the list by then.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/n...cator-forms-uk

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rules-12049435
The Swiss have just closed this loophole, it is no longer the origin of your flight that is considered it is the actual origin of your journey. Difficult to ascertain but nor impossible.

And it is irresponsible to try and get around the rules. They are put in to protect the locals, not to irritate you.
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Old 01.09.2020, 10:37
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And it is irresponsible to try and get around the rules. They are put in to protect the locals, not to irritate you.
Protecting the locals? Switzerland's infection rate is lower or same as the one in the UK, so how a mandatory quarantine is protecting anybody?

Is there a mandatory quarantine when you travel from London to Manchester?
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The Swiss have just closed this loophole, it is no longer the origin of your flight that is considered it is the actual origin of your journey. Difficult to ascertain but nor impossible.

And it is irresponsible to try and get around the rules. They are put in to protect the locals, not to irritate you.
The rules are senseless as they consider countries as a whole and not regional variations. Furthermore, the 20 in 100,000 takes no account as to the number of tests carried out, nor of false positives. It's clear that the higher the testing rate the higher the number of positives.

We have ways of circumnavigating the origin of the journey, I'm not concerned about that. Certainly if there's been so few fines handed to people that have actually flown into the the UK from a country on the quarantine list!

As for protecting locals, give me a break. I'm am flying because elderly parents want to see their grandchildren who they've not seen for over a year. They know the risks but have decided that life is for LIVING and not for hiding from.
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

I'll be visiting family in Germany this month, and from there I am flying into the UK to visit more family... I'll post here how it goes ;-)

Personally I think the rules are frankly stupid, as they do not account for regional/local differences.

My decision was based on the cities I am visiting (all low risk areas) and I'll be taking all common sense action (not travelling if feeling unwell, distancing where possible, masks even if not compulsory etc.).

Of course if the UK add Germany to the list I'll not go to the UK... and for now their online entry form does not ask for place of residence, only for flight and contact info.
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I'll be visiting family in Germany this month, and from there I am flying into the UK to visit more family... I'll post here how it goes ;-)

Personally I think the rules are frankly stupid, as they do not account for regional/local differences.

My decision was based on the cities I am visiting (all low risk areas) and I'll be taking all common sense action (not travelling if feeling unwell, distancing where possible, masks even if not compulsory etc.).

Of course if the UK add Germany to the list I'll not go to the UK... and for now their online entry form does not ask for place of residence, only for flight and contact info.
Oh yes, good luck and please do give your feedback! Even where they to ask for your place of residence you could always put the address of your family in Germany in, there's no reasonable way they can check.

The argument of putting locals at risk is illogical as it's no different to one going to the supermarket or traveling by train here and putting people at "risk".
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And it is irresponsible to try and get around the rules. They are put in to protect the locals, not to irritate you.
But that's other people. Isn't it clear by now that TC doesn't care about them?

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The rules are senseless as they consider countries as a whole and not regional variations. Furthermore, the 20 in 100,000 takes no account as to the number of tests carried out, nor of false positives. It's clear that the higher the testing rate the higher the number of positives.
Stupid statement. The proportion of false positives is low and relatively constant and easy to factor into the risk calculations. The number of false negatives is anyway still much higher.

Oh and as we're talking about the UK, the testing rate there is roughly double that of Switzerland. So maybe Switzerland is undercounting....
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Old 01.09.2020, 11:49
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I'll be visiting family in Germany this month, and from there I am flying into the UK to visit more family... I'll post here how it goes ;-)

Personally I think the rules are frankly stupid, as they do not account for regional/local differences.

My decision was based on the cities I am visiting (all low risk areas) and I'll be taking all common sense action (not travelling if feeling unwell, distancing where possible, masks even if not compulsory etc.).

Of course if the UK add Germany to the list I'll not go to the UK... and for now their online entry form does not ask for place of residence, only for flight and contact info.
but the form does ask what countries you have been to in the last 14 days... so unless you plan on spending 14 days in Germany before travelling, you still need to state Switzerland
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We have ways of circumnavigating the origin of the journey, I'm not concerned about that. Certainly if there's been so few fines handed to people that have actually flown into the the UK from a country on the quarantine list!

As for protecting locals, give me a break. I'm am flying because elderly parents want to see their grandchildren who they've not seen for over a year. They know the risks but have decided that life is for LIVING and not for hiding from.

All you have to do is quarantine at your parents for the time you are there. The rules do not stop you leaving there to take a prebooked flight back to CH before the quarantine is up.


Obviously if CH brings in recipriocal quarantining on your return, that's a different story.


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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

As soon as Scotland decided to put Switzerland on the list the week before the rest of the UK we came to the conclusion there was no point in us travelling. Obviously we can self quarantine in our own house there, but getting to it from the airport would be another problem. We also wouldn't be able to attend any of our scheduled appointments or see family.

It's deferred until end Jan / 1st week Feb so fingers crossed for then as it's already been deferred from June. It just means I won't be able to let my house out as I had hoped to do back in the summer and it's on the back burner for another year, but hell I've had that situation for almost 5 years now so what's another one
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

I think wee jimmy sturgeon will have lost a fair bit of support for this move..
she seemed to be doing very well too, popularity wise.

You can go to the pub or get your hair done but you can't visit family..


What's the view on CH-FR border tightening up next week? I'm about to book another weekend in FR .. Book or no book?

FR had a record high of cases yesterday but CH seems reluctant to make any moves.
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I really wonder. Book. What's the color of the region as of now? Green?
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Switzerland was quick to add many countries on the list in a bid to prevent tourism in the summer, yet a week ago France broke the limit to be put on the red list for mandatory quarantine, all we can hear about this is crickets chirping. Money talks I guess
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Switzerland was quick to add many countries on the list in a bid to prevent tourism in the summer, yet a week ago France broke the limit to be put on the red list for mandatory quarantine, all we can hear about this is crickets chirping. Money talks I guess
GE & VD especially wouldn't be able to function without the frontaliers.. Including the hospitals..

I can't see full closure, if any at all. .
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GE & VD especially wouldn't be able to function without the frontaliers.. Including the hospitals..

I can't see full closure, if any at all. .
Neuchâtel too.

If they were to implement the quarantine rule for France there would have to be an exception for frontaliers just as there was when they closed the border. It wouldn’t be feasible otherwise.
I imagine this is why Switzerland is reluctant to add France to the list.
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I really wonder. Book. What's the color of the region as of now? Green?
It's nice bright orange.. Booked anyways

Gotta keep the summer vibe going
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It's nice bright orange.. Booked anyways

Gotta keep the summer vibe going
Rub it in, rub it in

Awesome. We shall be thinking of you, expedition guys.
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Rub it in, rub it in

Awesome. We shall be thinking of you, expedition guys.
Seems to be quite safe on the campsites

We've done 6 trips so far during summer, IT, FR & DE ..

Managed to dodge the covid so far. See how this weekend and next weekend go back in FR again.
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Well bits of France have been put on the quarantine list. My French geography is not very good, can anyone point me to a map which reveals the naughty bits?
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The regions of France that will be on Switzerland's risk list from Monday are: Centre-Val de Loire, Corsica, Hauts-de-France, Île de France (the Paris region), Normandy, Nouvelle-Aquitaine, Occitanie, Pays de la Loire and Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur. There are also a number of French overseas territories (French Guyana, Guadeloupe, French Polynesia, Réunion, Martinique, Mayotte, Saint-Barthélemy and Saint-Martin).
And Vienna, in Austria is also deemed naughty.

It doesn’t appear to affect neighboring regions, so impact on frontaliers should be minimal. But a few Doms and Toms do appear to be affected.
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Well bits of France have been put on the quarantine list. My French geography is not very good, can anyone point me to a map which reveals the naughty bits?

And Vienna, in Austria is also deemed naughty m

It doesn’t appear to affect neighboring regions, so impact on frontaliers should be minimal. But a few Doms and Toms do appear to be affected.
The numbers are exploding in France. Currently on the list are Paris and surroundings as well as the Southern coast around Marseille, Nice and Cannes. But the countries that react faster than Switzerland have since also put Bordeaux and surroundings as well as the North on that list. I bet the Alsace will follow next week as the numbers are getting bad there as well. I like that the approach by department makes more sense than just going by country... but in this case is really the entire country getting worse.
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Well bits of France have been put on the quarantine list. My French geography is not very good, can anyone point me to a map which reveals the naughty bits?

And Vienna, in Austria is also deemed naughty.

It doesn’t appear to affect neighboring regions, so impact on frontaliers should be minimal. But a few Doms and Toms do appear to be affected.
Map of affected regions can be found in the link below!

https://twitter.com/bag_ofsp_ufsp/st...06306879664129

What’s interesting is this map is almost a full east west flip of the regions severely affected back in March and April.
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