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Old 16.03.2020, 09:26
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Travelling across the border for shopping

Morning EF'ers.

Anyone out there with more detailed knowledge on what the announced border restrictions with Germany actually means?

I'm supposed to be driving to and from the UK, leaving in a couple of weeks from now, and would usually go for a small distance through Germany before hitting France, and then of course the channel crossing. I'm heading there to provide care support for a family member, but cannot see if that is would fall into the bucket of "non essential travel"?

I can easily detour to bypass Germany of course, and go straight into France, hoping of course that France hasn't closed its own borders by then and/or that Switzerland will let me back in on my return.....
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Old 16.03.2020, 09:37
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

There's this:

"How will the German border shutdown work?
The borders will close at 08:00 (07:00 GMT) on Monday, German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told reporters

However, goods will continue to flow between the countries and commuters may still cross the borders, government sources said earlier.

The aim is to contain coronavirus but also reportedly to curb panic-buying by foreigners which has led to some supply problems in the border regions."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51897069

In a similar boat to you smileygreebins. We're supposed to be going to the UK for a holiday over Easter weekend, but looking more and more unlikely, especially if France closes it's border too which I fully expect to happen. UK may as well.
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Expect France to shut its borders in the next couple of days.

Honestly, given the UK's current virus plans I won't be going there for some time anyway.
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Old 16.03.2020, 09:56
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Problem is we need to check on the house there after the kitchen ceiling disaster at Christmas. All been fixed, but we did have mold forming and while it's been cleaned up it could have come back while we're not there. May need to ask our builder to pop in and make sure there's none around.
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Expect France to shut its borders in the next couple of days.
You just speculating?
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You just speculating?
Let's call it educated speculation. There's lots of talk around that already from people in a position to know.

If I was the betting type I would put a fair amount of money on it happening. I doubt if I would get decent odds anymore.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:31
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We've travelled into the UK every winter without worrying about getting the various colds/flu's/germs that are awash in London, so aren't paying much heed to this latest scaremongering....
Not sure you quite understand the situation.

In the grand scheme of things, no one cares whether you get it or not - it's whether you get it here and spread it elsewhere to other, more vulnerable people when you travel.
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Let's call it educated speculation. There's lots of talk around that already from people in a position to know.

If I was the betting type I would put a fair amount of money on it happening. I doubt if I would get decent odds anymore.
Let's call it complete guesswork and rumour-mongering, we might just as well.
#Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who Heard it from another ...

I don't know why the world seems to be insistent on creating panic about things that haven't happened yet, and might or might not happen at some future point.

As for French border closures, is there
a) any actual reason to think they might do it or
b) any possible or perceived advantage to France in doing so?

We'll be driving up and crossing into France around Basel later today, so I'll update if there's anything to say then.
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As for French border closures, is there
a) any actual reason to think they might do it or
b) any possible or perceived advantage to France in doing so?

We'll be driving up and crossing into France around Basel later today, so I'll update if there's anything to say then.
Apply the argument to Germany then see what the actual answer was. Also, not sure what driving to France today proves as we already know it's still open atm.
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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I don't know why the world seems to be insistent on creating panic about things that haven't happened yet, and might or might not happen at some future point.
I think the question of panic, and what is deemed to be creating it, is very subjective.

For some, information, such as "border between country A and country B is closed", is a fact they want or need to know to be able to organise their lives, and does not feel like anything more than an irritation to be dealt with, or planned around. For others, hearing such news feels disorientating or terrifying, and the more so if they have important people they yearn to see and now can't reach, on the other side. Even so, they may or may not panic.

So yes, while I'm sure some folk do get a buzz from stoking up the drama, many others pass on information, and make informed guesses or predictions based on extrapolations of the events hithertofore, with the plain intention of empowering others to plan.

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Let's call it complete guesswork and rumour-mongering, we might just as well.
#Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who Heard it from another ...

I don't know why the world seems to be insistent on creating panic about things that haven't happened yet, and might or might not happen at some future point.

As for French border closures, is there
a) any actual reason to think they might do it or
b) any possible or perceived advantage to France in doing so?

We'll be driving up and crossing into France around Basel later today, so I'll update if there's anything to say then.
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Macron said France’s borders would be closed from Tuesday
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...pean-lockdowns
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:12
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Will not be easy to manage since majority of health care workers in La Cote are French
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:20
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Will not be easy to manage since majority of health care workers in La Cote are French
There will probably be a closure the same as the German/Austrian/Italian one where cross border commuting continues.

By the looks of it Switzerland has no intention of closing its borders but everyone else around it has/will. Speculation on my part for the french border closing matches that of baboon, I think today/tomorrow.
Switzerland is the second most effected country on a cases (tested) per capita rate in the world right now, considering that italy is locked off, Switzerland cannot be far behind.
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Honestly, given the UK's current virus plans I won't be going there for some time anyway.
We've travelled into the UK every winter without worrying about getting the various colds/flu's/germs that are awash in London, so aren't paying much heed to this latest scaremongering....
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We've travelled into the UK every winter without worrying about getting the various colds/flu's/germs that are awash in London, so aren't paying much heed to this latest scaremongering....
Have you not been paying attention at all??
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Thanks Medea Fleecestealer, saw that BBC report in the wee hours, and have since seen some local news reporting that 10 cars already turned back this morning from one of the Germany/Swiss borders.

Sigh.

Still not clear on whether travelling for care duties is likely to get a pass through or not though. Guess I'll just have to see what develops with all the panic madness in the next couple of weeks, then make a judgement call on whether we try to get in and out (with the risk of being turned away), or not...

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We've travelled into the UK every winter without worrying about getting the various colds/flu's/germs that are awash in London, so aren't paying much heed to this latest scaremongering....
The difference is there's a fair chance you already have immunity to most of those. You have no immunity to this one.

Oh and the chance of it killing you is significantly higher.

From Public Health England

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There will probably be a closure the same as the German/Austrian/Italian one where cross border commuting continues.

By the looks of it Switzerland has no intention of closing its borders but everyone else around it has/will. Speculation on my part for the french border closing matches that of baboon, I think today/tomorrow.
Switzerland is the second most effected country on a cases (tested) per capita rate in the world right now, considering that italy is locked off, Switzerland cannot be far behind.
As cross-broder commuting continues, as well as merchandise transport, Italy is hardly "locked off".

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As cross-broder commuting continues, as well as merchandise transport, Italy is hardly "locked off".

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I shall choose my wording more carefully in the future or just call it "sort of locked off".
Are you still able to pop over for lunch? Or are there checks in place for only commuters and workers to go through?
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As cross-broder commuting continues, as well as merchandise transport, Italy is hardly "locked off".

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Locked off, these days simply means locked for all except when we deem necessities like getting home, perform work, supply chain etc.. Traffic has reduced a lot even at your border.
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