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I've never felt the need for such a thing. TBH I don't usually ski with a helmet anyway, except when teaching, and goggles are reserved for extreme conditions; sunglasses (with switchable lenses for different conditions) are my preferred eyewear 90% of the time. I don't see any problem with goggles like you describe though, except with young kids who don't know what they're doing.
I felt the same way about it... and then I gave it a try and will never go back. I thought it’s a way to sell hipsters overpriced visors, but it’s so much more comfortable and no fogging at all. Good ventilation and more comfy than wearing glasses when going fast. Try it!

P. S: it’s about the least important thing for a beginner. Get the socks first :-)
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I felt the same way about it... and then I gave it a try and will never go back. I thought itís a way to sell hipsters overpriced visors, but itís so much more comfortable and no fogging at all. Good ventilation and more comfy than wearing glasses when going fast. Try it!
Naah, I don't think I'll bother, TYVM. All else apart, I need decent goggles anyway, for those times when I'm not wearing a helmet and the weather is too bad for sunglasses.

And for me the helmet/visor combo falls firmly into the category of 'solutions for no obvious problem'.
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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

I changed my mind about ski helmets a few years back. There was a program on TSR discussing ski accidents, including the alarming rise in head injuries.

The reason for the rise came as a big surprise. The number of collisions on the pistes was fairly static from year to year but when one of them was wearing a helmet, the other was much more likely to be injured.

Iíve been wearing one ever since. And it does keep my ears warm, much better that a woolly hat.
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If you see a little grey haired teapot, bombing down without helmet but thick headband and with sunglasses - that will be me though
This is not 1970s tennis thread.
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Get a ski helmet with full visor. Do not get open face ski helmet plus the goggles. Speaking from experience, there is no fogging no fiddling with goggles and straps, it is warm and wind will not bite your face.
Totally. It's so true. We do look like from Outer Space but it is soooo much better. The only thing I bought new and expensive were proper solid helmets for us and the spine vests. We usually leave the poles at the lift station.

I bought crazy good helmets after I've done a bit of work on a brain scan science.
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Totally. It's so true. We do look like from Outer Space but it is soooo much better. The only thing I bouth new and expensive were proper solid helmets for us and the spine vests. We usually leave the poles at the lift station.

I bought crazy good helmets after I've done a bit of work on a brain scan science.
Iíve heard that those full visors are very prone to scratching. I wouldnít recommend them to a novice, who has so many other things to sort out/remember. For an experienced skier perhaps, but ...
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I’ve heard that those full visors are very prone to scratching. I wouldn’t recommend them to a novice, who has so many other things to sort out/remember. For an experienced skier perhaps, but ...
Not sure. Maybe. You can replace the visor piece easily (ours came with extras). Also - so many things to remember? Skiing isn't so complex. Medling with goggles used to annoy me (glasses, a lot of hair, etc). Lifting the visor is smooth. But I also ski with a young person who spent a half the 1st day on a kid slope and went to the reds.
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This is not 1970s tennis thread.

I know, my tennis days were in the 50s
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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

Just to add to the helmet discussion: The field of vision in the helmet with visor is 180. I do not see the frame at all. It is fantastic. The face does not get sweaty from the google foam like it used to. You never feel cold wet foam against your face especially after a coffee breaks when your googles rest on your helmet or hat picking up all that wet snow.
For my wife who always needs prescription glasses to ski it has been a savior. She can just put her prescription glasses on lower the visor and off she goes.
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P. S: itís about the least important thing for a beginner. Get the socks first :-)

amazing actually what a good pair of socks can do to your skiing. Right size properly fitted - not the square toed cheap socks !
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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

Zermatt is NOT a beginners resort and itís also one of the most expensive. There are no nursery slopes in the villages and it has a reputation for intermediate to advanced skiers. I had friends go to Zermatt last weekend and they only skied one day (they are all advanced skiers) the weekend with a more than 50 percent discount at their hotel cost them 800CHF for a family of four with one day ski pass for all. My advice would be to research an alternative escort if you want to learn to ski where there is not a premium price slapped on everything just because of the Matterhorn. Try Wengen in the Jungfrau Region - perfect for beginners with a great ski school and great rentals where yo can even rent the clothes. I hope itís not too late for you to change you plans.
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I know, my tennis days were in the 50s

how to you bomb it down on a tennis racket though?
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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

Welcome to skiing! It's a fabulous sport.

And it is also very useful in helping to drain the last few francs from one's bank account

Zermatt is a wonderful resort, I love it, but it is expensive. More about choosing resorts later.

If you've never skiied before I suggest that you avoid any serious investment in clothing and equipment till you've tried it out and you're sure that you like it.

Clothing
If your main objective is to be seen wearing the hottest, sexiest, most glamorous outfits on the slopes or in the apres ski bars then skip my post. You will hate me.

1. I use a goretex shell (or whatever the latest breathable, windproof technology is). Under the shell I dress in normal clothes and in layers. The kind of stuff you might wear when you go hiking or to mooch around outdoors. Coord trousers, T shirt, fleece, vest, etc. Take off a layer if you're too hot and put on a layer if you're too warm. You can use the goretex shell for hiking, cycling, sailing, etc. The shell will not be the hottest fashion item on the slopes but personally I don't care, it's very practical. Get one with lots of pockets and zip vents under the arms.

2. Ski Socks. Get a couple of pairs. Can probably use these for hiking or whatever if you decide skiing is not your thing.

3. Ski Gloves or Mitts. A decent breathable pair will be pricey. The first pair I bought were not breathable and I could wring out buckets of water/sweat each day.

4. Wraparound sunglasses. Might help to avoid investment in the next item.

5. Ski Goggles. Can be a pricey item. You might need them if your skiing in Christmas blizzards. I'd wait and see and get them at the resort if the weather really is that foul.

That's about it. And it will keep your initial outlay low.

Equipment
1. Helmet. Hire one when you hire your skis and boots. And don't be a fool, wear it.

2. Skis, poles and boots. Hire these and tell the assistant that you are a beginner. You don't need the fanciest kit. Take your ski socks and check that the boots fit comfortably. Preferably trudge around the shop for 20-30 minutes till your feet have expanded.

3. Backpack or bumbag. To keep your sunscreen, spare layers, waterbottle.

Ski School
The instructor, and their ability to communicate with you effectively, is key. The problem is that many native instructors do speak English but are unable to communicate effectively. That in my experience can be a real problem. Assuming of course that your home language is English and you are not fluent in the local language.

Lift Pass
You will need a lift pass of sorts. However as a beginner you will probably be confined to a limited number of slopes, and are unlikely to require and expensive regional ski pass. I'd speak to the ski school in advance to obtain their advice, or wait till your first day and listen to whatever you instructor advises.

Fitness
If you're not very fit, get yourself fit. This is probably one of the most important determinants as to whether you enjoy skiing.

Resorts
You've chosen a large and expensive resort for your first skiing experience. Which is exactly what I did when I started skiing. And I regretted it.

Unless you are travelling in a group with mixed experiences and abilities, as a beginner you do not need a large, well connected and therefore expensive resort. A small resort with beginner slopes is all that you need. Apart from being less expensive they often have a lot more charm. Enjoy these small resorts for as long as you can. Once you become a more accomplished skiier smaller resorts will probably not offer the challenge and you will head to the larger ones.

Have fun!
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Zermatt is a fabulous area. [..]

Itís not cheap and itís not ideal for beginners skiing. [..]

If you have the time and they are open, I would suggest a day or two at say Flumserberg or an easy area near Luzern to cut your skiing teeth before Zermatt...
This.

I second doing the first tries somewhere close by. OP could even take the afternoon off during a few workdays for the first lessons, and find out if skiing is for them at all. Besides, 3-4 hours are probably enough for the entire day at the beginning, subject to OP's fitness level.
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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

Boot advice from my own experience.
You first boots will be rentals. Don' get the softest, most comfortable boots (if offered). Such boots will make you hate skiing or will ensure you have learned nothing on your first try.
Skiing is a technical sport and your equipment should always be slightly better than your skills. Skiing equipment is all about control, without it you will have zero confidence to enjoy yourself.
Boots are sized to your foot length, in so called MONDO sizing EU41 = 26cm etc etc. Do not be tempted to get the boot larger than your foot size (you will regret it later). Stand in your ski boots, if you feel that your toe is touching the lining and when you lean forward onto the cuff of the boot the toe moves slightly backwards and no longer pressed against the inner lining, then that is a good fit. Always try boot from another maker if you feel excessive pressure in the instep or on the sides of your foot (do not upsize). Boots from diff. makers are differently lasted you might be miserable in 26cm Atomics but comfortable in 26cm Lange.
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Naah, I don't think I'll bother, TYVM. All else apart, I need decent goggles anyway, for those times when I'm not wearing a helmet and the weather is too bad for sunglasses.

And for me the helmet/visor combo falls firmly into the category of 'solutions for no obvious problem'.
The Lovely Missus spent her career looking after head and spinal injury patients.

One ski holiday (helmetless) the rep turned up in a helmet. We all questioned why. He explained that day before, he'd been skiing with a group, one of them (who was wearing a helmet) fell and hit a rock. His helmet split in two. His head didn't. Still knocked him out.

After attending to the heli pickup, rep went straight to the shop and obtained said headgear.

The Lovely Missus asked the rep, all innocent like... "How many head injury accidents have you seen this season?"

Rep turned to his mate (rep for other company) and said... "What, about a dozen so far, right?".

It was only the third week in January.

Suffice to say, we bought helmets at the ski shop that day...

Personally, I don't ski out of control. I don't fall over. I don't go off piste. But I do wear a helmet, and my next one will have a visor (Because they are fab for those of us who wear varifocal glasses).


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Re: Skiing in Zermatt

I get it, I truly do.


And yet- having learnt to ski in the 50s, and lived all my youth in mountains- I feel a helmet cuts me off from all my instinctive senses. Hearing too- which is why I would never ever ski with music on in helmet. We grew up listening to the mountain, listening to every noise behind and around us- and it feels totally unsafe to ski without.


I first encountered helmets skiing in Colorado in the 80s - and it was a long time after that that we saw helmets on slopes in CH/Europe- mainly Americans. I am glad my grandchildren wear helmets, for sure. But for me, being 100% aware of everything around me, is what I know, what I feel right with. And wear goggles only in thick fog, white out- and these days- I don't bother to go out if the conditions are not perfect. My Raybans are adapted to my vision.

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