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Stop whining and suck it up.

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Old 22.11.2020, 15:55
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Stop whining and suck it up.

All countries are the same.

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Another 'helpful comment from you'.

Not all countries are the same, obviously.

But you get unpleasant, inconsiderate people in every country. Switzerland may be a rich country where the people have lots of money but you can't buy good manners.

To the OP - so sorry you are going through this. Sleep deprivation is truly horrible.
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I like olygirl's idea -- to ask your landlord for the next studio apartment that becomes available. Maybe ask about the neighbors there first.

Another idea I had, in terms of dealing with the current noise, is maybe you could consider getting a white noise machine to use while you sleep. They really help drown out unwanted background noise. I use one sometimes and also one in my little boy's room when he's having trouble falling asleep. He likes the sound of it -- says it helps lull him to sleep. This is the one we have, but there are a lot of different ones out there (and cheaper):

https://techstudio.ch/products/lectr...xoCkyUQAvD_BwE

I like this one because the noise doesn't repeat in a cycle, it's just continuous.
After 3 months, the studio on the 5th floor (top floor) became vacant and i asked them if i could move upstairs, but they didn't accept it although i had been complaining about the neighbors for so long.

The coronavirus situation made it even worse as i used to go to the uni every single day (even during the weekend) and stay there till 8-9 pm in order to avoid the noise. We were advised to work from home from March onwards. Going back home for one month in order to rest isn't an option either as it's too risky to travel nowadays.
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Old 22.11.2020, 17:17
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I'm also sorry for your difficult situation. Someone has already suggested it, but seriously, try a well-rated white noise machine. I've heard it can be life-changing.
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Old 22.11.2020, 17:35
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I listen to white noise through headphones via an app on my iPad as I have a tinnitus problem in one ear. There are quite a number of free ones out there, I find if I use binaural beats I just fall into a deep sleep after a few mins. I also use a meditation called Body Scan and will often drift off in the middle.

I had no idea how exhausted I was until I moved away from Kleinbasel after 2 years to a much quieter district. As we were close to the red light area you'd get girls screaming and shouting during the night, fights with dealers etc (but it wasn't like that the first year we were there, then the quotas were relaxed and Webergasse attracted a huge number of E European girls who had older girls minding them and some very dodgy pimps hanging about).
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Old 22.11.2020, 17:59
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So true! I come from a third-world country and lived in the capital city with more population than the whole Switzerland and never had any issue like this. It's actually good that i spent some years of my life in a so-called first-world country to experience the reality. After finishing my studies in less than a year, i will go back home and never regret leaving Switzerland.
You lost a bit of my sympathy there. I've lived here for 12 years or so and have never heard of anyone in a situation like yours so it's absolutely not representative. The big majority of people here live in conditions that are a million miles from most urban environments in third world countries. You do have a problem and there is a solution but you seem adamant that you're not going to move so it's hard to know how else to help you.

You only have to find another tenant if you leave before the end of your contracted term, so why not simply give in your notice to your landlord and move out when the period is up? Your concern for the next tenant is admirable but not very sensible. You don't say how long more you have in Switzerland but it would be a great shame if you were to return home with the idea that this nation is some sort of nightmare. I'm always suspicious of these quality-of-life surveys but there is a reason why Zurich usually comes in the top 3 cities worldwide. Good luck.
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You lost a bit of my sympathy there. I've lived here for 12 years or so and have never heard of anyone in a situation like yours so it's absolutely not representative. The big majority of people here live in conditions that are a million miles from most urban environments in third world countries. You do have a problem and there is a solution but you seem adamant that you're not going to move so it's hard to know how else to help you.

You only have to find another tenant if you leave before the end of your contracted term, so why not simply give in your notice to your landlord and move out when the period is up? Your concern for the next tenant is admirable but not very sensible. You don't say how long more you have in Switzerland but it would be a great shame if you were to return home with the idea that this nation is some sort of nightmare. I'm always suspicious of these quality-of-life surveys but there is a reason why Zurich usually comes in the top 3 cities worldwide. Good luck.
Personally I think it is a very representative case e.g. all 3 apartments I have rented in Zurich have had very poor sound isolation and I've experienced similar problems.
In fact I think it is a crime that such properties are offered on the market. Or at least they have to be advertised as being sub-par and clearly describing the exact living conditions.
The worst thing is that - If you have had a misfortune to rent one of these shit apartments - there is exactly zero you can do except moving out. And obviously no-one is covering the costs of moving, cleaning, time spent for finding nachmieter etc.etc.
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Old 22.11.2020, 18:41
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Personally I think it is a very representative case e.g. all 3 apartments I have rented in Zurich have had very poor sound isolation and I've experienced similar problems.
In fact I think it is a crime that such properties are offered on the market. Or at least they have to be advertised as being sub-par and clearly describing the exact living conditions.
The worst thing is that - If you have had a misfortune to rent one of these shit apartments - there is exactly zero you can do except moving out. And obviously no-one is covering the costs of moving, cleaning, time spent for finding nachmieter etc.etc.
Happens in all old buildings anywhere. Seldom you find a cheap apartment with perfect insulation, at least not in Zurich.

Not a crime though for people who want to live in the city and not pay much. I wouldn´t but then lots of people do not mind.
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You lost a bit of my sympathy there. I've lived here for 12 years or so and have never heard of anyone in a situation like yours so it's absolutely not representative. The big majority of people here live in conditions that are a million miles from most urban environments in third world countries. You do have a problem and there is a solution but you seem adamant that you're not going to move so it's hard to know how else to help you.

You only have to find another tenant if you leave before the end of your contracted term, so why not simply give in your notice to your landlord and move out when the period is up? Your concern for the next tenant is admirable but not very sensible. You don't say how long more you have in Switzerland but it would be a great shame if you were to return home with the idea that this nation is some sort of nightmare. I'm always suspicious of these quality-of-life surveys but there is a reason why Zurich usually comes in the top 3 cities worldwide. Good luck.
Thanks for your post! I even had much worse experience than this. When i first moved to Switzerland, I rented a room with no kitchen near the university with a really good price and after a couple of weeks, the old landlord started acting weird. I had to rang the bell of one of the neighbors to confirm he is weird and she told me to leave as soon as possible. I have even more stories and i don't know why i cannot find happiness here

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Old 22.11.2020, 19:30
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Thanks for your post! I even had much worse experience than this. When i first moved to Switzerland, I rented a room with no kitchen near the university with a really good price and after a couple of weeks, the old landlord started acting weirdly. I had to rang the bell of one of the neighbors to confirm he is weird and she told me to leave as soon as possible. I have even more stories and i don't know why i cannot find happiness here
If your happiness is related to where you live.... why not look at places at commuting distance? Why stay in Zurich when there are loads of places outside, cheaper rent, lower taxes (if that applies to you), more space maybe?
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Old 22.11.2020, 19:34
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According to the ever helpful ch.ch, the correct approach is to report the issue to the police:

https://www.ch.ch/en/noise-disturban...ms-neighbours/
This. Call the police. They have the power to enforce being quiet during the night hours. It doesn't even matter that they're working nights. They don't have to sit and chat in the kitchen.

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I've heard some 3rd world countries are worse.
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If your happiness is related to where you live.... why not look at places at commuting distance? Why stay in Zurich when there are loads of places outside, cheaper rent, lower taxes (if that applies to you), more space maybe?
I just found this studio accidentally. I think i prefer to live in the suburbs, but as i said it before, I only have one more year to finish my studies and moving out would be really hard as most of the apartments are unfurnished.
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OP is a whiny troll, end of.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I just earn enough money to survive in this expensive city, so moving out is not an option considering the fact that the rent is really cheap. I also think even if i move out, there would be another person coming to live here and i don't want them to go through the same issues as me, so better to find a solution. I told the landlord at least 4 times, but nothing has changed. Maybe they think that i will leave after my studies, but the old Swiss lady will stay here forever. She moved to the apartment only 4 months before me.
Sorry but not moving out od a lving situation that is causing you great stress because "you don't want another person to be in the same situation" is one of the outright least sensible most illogical things I have ever heard. The next pweerson who moves i might not care about thenise or make their own noise or work nights... it's not your problem to worry about that.

There are other cheap apartments in Zurich and you are not in danger of being kicked out of you current place, just spend some time looking for one.
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Sorry but not moving out od a lving situation that is causing you great stress because "you don't want another person to be in the same situation" is one of the outright least sensible most illogical things I have ever heard. The next pweerson who moves i might not care about thenise or make their own noise or work nights... it's not your problem to worry about that.

There are other cheap apartments in Zurich and you are not in danger of being kicked out of you current place, just spend some time looking for one.
I wanted to move out, but it's not easy to find one as they usually prefer Europeans or Swiss and those who earn high salaries. I only earn enough money to survive, so i don't know what to do. I applied to so many apartments during the last year, but i couldn't get any. It's not like i didn't think of moving out. I am just not in a financially good situation to be able to rent another place. I rented this studio from a student organization that only rents to students with no deposit.
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I wanted to move out, but it's not easy to find one as they usually prefer Europeans or Swiss and those who earn high salaries. I only earn enough money to survive, so i don't know what to do. I applied to so many apartments during the last year, but i couldn't get any. It's not like i didn't think of moving out. I am just not in a financially good situation to be able to rent another place. I rented this studio from a student organization that only rents to students with no deposit.
Ok I see, now it's clearer and sorry to hear you had so much struggles finding a place due to your situation. it looks like it is the only option available for now, in which case it looks like you may have to fight. You need to start by reporting their behaviour to the landlord to see what they say, because unless you take more formal action it isnt going to change. You have done as much as you can be talking to them yourself, now its time to take things a step further.
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I don't buy the 'it's cheap therefore there must be a problem' argument. There's no need for the landlord to drop the price for something you're unlikely to discover during a viewing.
Maybe you could learn to play the drums. Wall panels won't help.


If it's loud enough to record, this could be used to convince the landlord, or for putting up on youtube once you've moved out.
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OP, I'm sorry that you're bothered by the noise. I know I would be, too.

As others have said, your options are:
A. Move away.
B. Get the other people to change.
C. Change yourself.

Posts to follow, about each of those.

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A. Move away.

To decide whether or not to make the effort to move away, you might do well to face the plain facts of the accommodation you now have.

You said in your OP that this building is a Genossenschaft. They are, almost by definition, cheaper accommodation. Top quality insulated apartments with sound buffers around the water pipes, etc., are unlikely to be found in a complex that was built economically so that people could pay low rents.

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I rented this studio from a student organization that only rents to students with no deposit.
Presumably, as each university semester ends, some students leave (and perhaps with Covid19 the more so), so there must be a high turnover in the apartments.
This student organisation is probably not the main landlord. They either are just acting as an agency to facilitate the rentals, or else they have rented the apartment from the Genossenschaft, and are sub-letting to you.

You are most certainly not the first and not the last student who wanted to move part-way through their studies. How it works is probably all very well regulated and documented.

Have you been back to that student organisation not to complain but to ask how their procedures work, with regard to moving? Could they organise a change of apartments for you? Is there a waiting list? Are there certain defined criteria which you'd need to fulfil, to be allocated a different apartment?

In summary:
  • Find out what you need to do, from both that organisation and from the management committee of the Genossenschaft, separately, to be considered for a new placement.
  • Apply, but do not complain to them. Just state, plainly, unemotionally, with no accusations, that you'd like to move because you need quiet to study. In general, people are more willing to help if they think that you're a reasonable, sensible person than if they gain the impression that you are someone who complains a lot and makes judgments about how other people live their lives.

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