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Re: another neighbor issue thread

I don’t think you have much leverage. I happened to have lived the same. Best option is really to move out, and move out from those old houses where everybody listens to everybody.
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I would agree with others.
Absolutly make a complaint via phone call and in writing to the agency that rented this flat to you.
Speaking as a swiss and you may have experienced this as well, the swiss hate confrontations. Its not in our genes you know.
Not sure that you will see any results.
best start looking for another flat.
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Re: another neighbor issue thread

students live in WGs and put up with noise for a reason. You just cannot afford what you want on that budget, unless you move out more into the countryside.
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Re: another neighbor issue thread

Have you tried moving your closet / furniture to the wall shared with them and move the bed away? This might help a bit with the noise. Also the white noise suggestion is a good one. Alternatively you can invest in a surround system and play some music which would dampen the noise (for your own mental health, not to annoy the neighbours).
Re compaining, I recommend tracking the noise with an app. That might help clarify how noisy it gets in the nighttime.
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I tried all the possible options, but it just doesn't work. The wall is non-existent. I feel like I rented one room in the neighbor's apartment instead of having my own studio.
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students live in WGs and put up with noise for a reason. You just cannot afford what you want on that budget, unless you move out more into the countryside.
Rubbish -no one has to put up with unreasonable noise from others.

How about a bit of empathy from you and a bit of consideration from your fellow countrymen?
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nobody thought of revenge?




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attach this to the wall, play Rammstein or something.
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I tried all the possible options, but it just doesn't work. The wall is non-existent. I feel like I rented one room in the neighbor's apartment instead of having my own studio.
Okay, then you must have been working very hard, to get through all the many options that people on this thread (and out there on the net) have suggested. I suggest you document what you've done. Make a full list, ideally with photos, but in any case with brief descriptions, of all the measures that you have already taken, to no avail.

That list might help you in dealing with the agency. What did they say, about your options to be moved to another of their flats for students?
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Re: another neighbor issue thread

Definitely agree with other posters on moving your bed/study desk if possible away from the adjoining walls.

Buy yourself some second hand IKEA Billy bookcases - you can get them for under 5 francs if you watch out on ricardo/anibis; and buy multiple units to cover the adjoining walls from floor to practically the ceiling - fill them with books and towels and linen and your clothes - voila! Instant and excellent noise insulation.

Alternatively, buy 2nd hand canvas prints, the sort that are at least 60x90cm in size, and again they regularly come onto ricardo from 1 franc. Put some bubble wrap across the back of each print. Voila, instant noise insulation and art on your wall that you can enjoy, or easily paint over or staple material onto to suit your own taste. Applying black out curtains and/or blankets or duvet type materials to the adjoining walls should be a huge help as well - you can pick these up really cheaply at many brockis, or second hand online. And from the way I've perceiving your apartment, the latter might just help keep your studio a little warmer in the winter as well!)

Bizarrely, egg cartons provide excellent noise insulation as well (used to use them in the music studios) - you can glue them onto a piece of cardboard and lean against the wall (if you're not allowed to hang anything) - will look a little odd unless you jazz it up with some material/paint, but saving your sanity might be worth the effort.

And there are some peel on/peel off products that you can buy cheaply on which are thick and textured that just might be useful, similar to this:
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/3d-Wallpaper...gAAOSwWbNelaBL

In the past, I've also used a bubbling water feature which you can buy or make - the tinkly noise was enough to be an excellent distraction, and very calming too (although you'll have to check in advance that you're not getting one that just makes you want to pee all of the time!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rD4KqzzVW8

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Okay, then you must have been working very hard, to get through all the many options that people on this thread (and out there on the net) have suggested. I suggest you document what you've done. Make a full list, ideally with photos, but in any case with brief descriptions, of all the measures that you have already taken, to no avail.

That list might help you in dealing with the agency. What did they say, about your options to be moved to another of their flats for students?
They have student housing available, but I was trying to avoid living there. They also have apartments for limited amount of time. Now that I don't have to be present in Zürich, I am thinking of going back home at least for one semester. I am really tired of everything.
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They have student housing available, but I was trying to avoid living there. They also have apartments for limited amount of time. Now that I don't have to be present in Zürich, I am thinking of going back home at least for one semester. I am really tired of everything.
Apartments for a limited amount of time is quite usual for this kind of low-rent deal. The agency works in close cooperation with owners who are going to tear down the building and need to be sure that all the long-term tenants will move out by the date they plan to start. They first therefore give notice to those people, but then, as they leave, they have half the apartments empty. They work with the student housing agency because these rentals for a limited duration are ideal for most students who, by the nature of their courses and phase of life, plan to move once they graduate.

By the sounds of it, this is exactly the arrangement you already have, now:
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The neighbors moved in 4 months before me. They wanted to destroy the building to build a new apartment, so I first got a rental contract for 7 months only and they got one for 11 months. We were all supposed to leave, but they decided to keep the building as it is, so we stayed.
and you are exactly their profile tenant:
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After finishing my studies in less than a year, i will go back home and never regret leaving Switzerland.
Therefore, if the agency has apartments for a limited amount of time, that could be a perfect match.

Although I hear you that it doesn't feel like it at all, to you, right now, in fact Zurich is a beautiful city, and there is much beauty here, and lots of good things going on, in all seasons.

It would be a pity if you just endured, dragging your feet while your nerves become more and more frazzled, and missing out on the good sides of living in Switzerland (and there are many). Please, go back to the agency and ask to be allowed to see one/some of their other limited duration rental apartments.

Nothing's perfect, but right now it sounds like a move might let you unwind and get some sleep and get some studies done... and still give you the opportunity to enjoy what Zurich has to offer. You may as well do what you can to make the most of this chance that you have, and which may not come your way again.
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Re: another neighbor issue thread

I don’t have a solution for you but I just wanted to let you know that I feel for you. I had a similar issue and it really affects ones health and well being. The constant feeling that you are not alone and at peace in your home is horrible.

Do whatever you can to find something else in a new build. Even in an area which is not that great it’s better to have a quiet home.
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Apartments for a limited amount of time is quite usual for this kind of low-rent deal. The agency works in close cooperation with owners who are going to tear down the building and need to be sure that all the long-term tenants will move out by the date they plan to start. They first therefore give notice to those people, but then, as they leave, they have half the apartments empty. They work with the student housing agency because these rentals for a limited duration are ideal for most students who, by the nature of their courses and phase of life, plan to move once they graduate.

By the sounds of it, this is exactly the arrangement you already have, now:

and you are exactly their profile tenant:


Therefore, if the agency has apartments for a limited amount of time, that could be a perfect match.

Although I hear you that it doesn't feel like it at all, to you, right now, in fact Zurich is a beautiful city, and there is much beauty here, and lots of good things going on, in all seasons.

It would be a pity if you just endured, dragging your feet while your nerves become more and more frazzled, and missing out on the good sides of living in Switzerland (and there are many). Please, go back to the agency and ask to be allowed to see one/some of their other limited duration rental apartments.

Nothing's perfect, but right now it sounds like a move might let you unwind and get some sleep and get some studies done... and still give you the opportunity to enjoy what Zurich has to offer. You may as well do what you can to make the most of this chance that you have, and which may not come your way again.
Another issue is the pandemic and staying at home all day long. Before the pandemic, I would usually go to the university to avoid listening to neighbor's noise all day, but it's not an option anymore. This makes it even more difficult. I am thinking of leaving in 2 months or even sooner. I still have the permit for one more year, but probably i won't need it.
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Another issue is the pandemic and staying at home all day long. Before the pandemic, I would usually go to the university to avoid listening to neighbor's noise all day, but it's not an option anymore. This makes it even more difficult. I am thinking of leaving in 2 months or even sooner. I still have the permit for one more year, but probably i won't need it.
Yes, we are all spending more time with our neighbors than we normally would and that makes it hard. I am extra annoyed with the elephant foot upstairs.

Sorry you are suffering so much - is it possible to go to a nice spacious cafe during the day? They are still open ...
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Yes, we are all spending more time with our neighbors than we normally would and that makes it hard. I am extra annoyed with the elephant foot upstairs.

Sorry you are suffering so much - is it possible to go to a nice spacious cafe during the day? They are still open ...
With the current situation in Switzerland, it's better not to go out.
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Please, go to the Zentralbibliothek (central library) during the day.
https://www.zb.uzh.ch/en
Monday - Friday: 08:00 - 20:00
Saturday: 09:00 - 17:00
Sunday (reading room only): 09:00 - 17:00.

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They have a rule about masks, of course, which isn't exactly comfortable, but they have rules about the use of the library, and they require (it is a library, after all) quiet.

Please, hoppo, if you can find a way to face it, just go there.

I'm all for staying indoors sensibly, and not to places where crowds gather, and not taking risks, with regard to corona. Even so, each of us has to decide between the balance of our physical and mental health and try to balance that, too, our responsibility towards others. You sound desperate, and that makes me think you really, really need to get out of your apartment, at least during the day.

The library is open. It is lovely. There are lockers in which you have to deposit most of your things, but that's safe. There is a guage on the website to show how full it is at any time.

Please, hoppo, just do it.
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Yes, we are all spending more time with our neighbors than we normally would and that makes it hard. I am extra annoyed with the elephant foot upstairs.

Sorry you are suffering so much - is it possible to go to a nice spacious cafe during the day? They are still open ...
I have one upstairs as well. She probably wears high heels at home
Actually, many of the neighbors are at home all the time (even before the pandemic). Does that mean many people don't need to work (especially women)?
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Please, go to the Zentralbibliothek (central library) during the day.
https://www.zb.uzh.ch/en
Monday - Friday: 08:00 - 20:00
Saturday: 09:00 - 17:00
Sunday (reading room only): 09:00 - 17:00.

Zähringerplatz 6
8001 Zürich


They have a rule about masks, of course, which isn't exactly comfortable, but they have rules about the use of the library, and they require (it is a library, after all) quiet.

Please, hoppo, if you can find a way to face it, just go there.

I'm all for staying indoors sensibly, and not to places where crowds gather, and not taking risks, with regard to corona. Even so, each of us has to decide between the balance of our physical and mental health and try to balance that, too, our responsibility towards others. You sound desperate, and that makes me think you really, really need to get out of your apartment, at least during the day.

The library is open. It is lovely. There are lockers in which you have to deposit most of your things, but that's safe. There is a guage on the website to show how full it is at any time.

Please, hoppo, just do it.
Thank you very much for all of your suggestions. I usued to go there for one month during the exam period. It's a really nice place. Wearing masks all the time while studying is really annoying. I cannot breathe after one hour of wearing a mask.
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Actually, many of the neighbors are at home all the time (even before the pandemic). Does that mean many people don't need to work (especially women)?
Being at home during the day may mean that the people work at night. Or your neighbours may be studying, or working on their own projects at home, or too ill to work, or they are house-spouses or full-time parents, or they care for their aged relatives, or they are wealthy enough from their own funds not to need to work, oor they earn their living from any kind of small business that can be run at home, perhaps online or by making things to sell, or they are unemployed and seeking work, or they fell through the entire social network such that they used up all the unemployment benefits allowed to them, and now live on a very low income provided by the state social security. Or, by choosing to live together in a group, they keep their basic costs low, so as to need to earn less, so as to free up their time for hobbies.

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Thank you very much for all of your suggestions. I usued to go there for one month during the exam period. It's a really nice place. Wearing masks all the time while studying is really annoying. I cannot breathe after one hour of wearing a mask.
I understand that about the masks and I think most of us loathe them by now. Even so, if I were in your postion, I would (and of course, that's just me, and you know what it is that you are facing) go out to the library anyway, try to read there for a while, and to learn to notice the point before I feel like I can't breathe (maybe that's after 30 minutes, for example) and then go for a walk around the building, without a mask, and come back and do another half-an-hour. For me (but maybe not for you) this would be far, far preferable than staying at home listening to noisy neighbours.

Hoppo, this is a serious question: What do you think would help your situation?

I ask because it sounds like you can't seem to find any way to feel better, although many ideas have been presented to you. You say you've already tried them all out, so you had either ticked all those potential solutions off your list before you started the thread, or else you must have been phenomenally busy during the past month. Did the activity itself, and constructing things with your hands, help at all? I'd be quite surprised, and worried, if nothing, really nothing, seemed to bring about any improvement at all.

Given that you can't ever change anyone else, your remaining options are really only change yourself, or move. I hope you can manage one or the other.
  • I hope you can find a way to turn these last months in Zurich around, to make them work for you, to try to enjoy what Zurich has to offer. What do you really enjoy? Can you find some of it, here? Can we perhaps help you to do so?

    By the way, the Kunsthaus (the collection, not the exhibition) offers free entry on Wednesdays. One has to wear a mask there, too, but it really can be deeply moving to stand right up close to the works of master artists. Since it's free, it's fine to go for just 20 minutes, and then out again.

    In general, one does not have to wear a mask while in a café, seated at the table, and in many places you could buy one cup of coffee and install yourself and stay for an hour or three, (as long, of course, as you are not blocking the space for more paying customers, which wouldn't be fair on the café) and study. The old-fashioned cafés, frequented mainly by non-students, tend to be quieter.

  • If I were in your position (and again, this is just my own feeling), I would jump at the chance to move away from where you live now.

    I would certainly ask the agency to let you view all the current rooms they have available, even those in shared accommodation. There, I would ask to be allowed to walk inside the room and close the door, bit by bit, while someone is talking, clapping, and playing music right outside, and then open it again. That way, you'll be able to assess whether the general way noise travels is better in a differently made building.

I hope something works out for you.
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