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Thanks everyone. Just to complete the full story. My instincts were unfortunately correct. We did go introduce ourselves to a few of the people. Everyone seems friendly but I have found it a bit generally unpleasant. And I did sort of sense it coming for a few reasons. One of them had googled my name and started to ask me questions about my place of work Now I have no issue with the googling but personally I would have been more discrete about it. It always is also comments about the dog, who I am fiercely protective over - to the point that I was told not to let him off the leash in the NEIGHBOURING forest (where there are no signs forbidding this). I do and I will as I always have. Also some whining about him not being allowed on the mutual grassy area - which he officially is - the only other way to get to the forest is through the parking lot which I was told to do. Maybe I’m touchy but I find this an absolute cheek! Apparently someone had already emailed through a ‚no dog‘ sign to be put up but they can’t put it up because it’s mutual ground and there is no such rule. And just to preempt it, no, he doesn’t do his business there so that’s not the issue. He does do roly-polys in the grass which must be driving some grouchy old miserables nuts.
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Re: Does everyone officially introduce themselves to their neighbours?

I tried to introduce myself to the others neighbors when I arrived on this canton one year ago but (except by a French family) it didn’t worked out as expected. Maybe it’s the corona situation, but most of neighbors looked at me as someone from moon....

Few weeks ago, my door neighbor ringed my bell to say he and his family are quarantine and that I should buy grosseries to him...

I told him, that he can use Migros online ...

Maybe it’s the language barrier, but the way he spoke with me was weird...

This side of the country, it’s a little bit different from the place I came from...
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Re the dog, I presume you are living in Basel Stadt?

Here's the Law on owning a dog. Actually, it can happen that villages themselves issue laws that the dogs have to be kept on leash in the forest at all times (some issue that law only when the deers have their young)

https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht...t/basel-stadt/

And here's the law on the same in Basel Landschaft and here it states

"In Wildruhegebieten sind Hunde an der Leine zu führen (§ 32 Abs. 1bis Jagdgesetz/BL). Zudem gilt während der Hauptsetz- und Brutzeit vom 1. April bis zum 31. Juli im Wald und an Waldsäumen eine generelle Leinenpflicht für alle Hunde (§ 38 Abs. 1 Jagdgesetz/BL)."

Wildruhegebiet = forest, so rather than being stubborn, and say I do as I please, check with your local townhall. Because if your neighbours are right, the local game warden has the right by law to shoot your dog when not on leash and you can then also look forward to a hefty fine too........



As for the introduction part of your post.

I am Swiss and always have introduced myself with a little letter with photos and a few infos about myself,in particular my handicap.

On my second to last home, I was the Janitor/Landly of the appartment block: Since the house was erected and inhabited we held a summer party in the garden.

Not exactly mandatory for tenants, but I always mentioned it to prospective new tenants, that we would love for them to show their faces at this event. Needless to say that every new person attended and our parties were legendary, sometimes all nighters. This really helped to keep a positive and amiable spirit amongst everybody, for as long as I managed the appartment block.

Now I moved to an estate with 19 semis on it and also introduced us with a letter and photos (me, 1 kid and the dog) and 2.5 yrs later on I still haven't built up many friendly connections,anything other than Hi and Bye on the communal path with anyone,

The people here feel themselves to be above the rest and show it too.
Sometimes you can't win, but I don't feel bad, I showed them courtesy and am not required to do more.

A friend of mine will move next summer into a cooperative housing estate, they have already been informed, that there it is mandatory to introduce yourselves in person when moving in.
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We never really had a problem when we moved to our current place as it was a new building, so a young neighbour put a note in everyone's postbox and one on the front door suggesting an apero in the courtyard and with his email address. It was a great icebreaker, but obviously not possible at the moment (we had a plan for BBQs this year which had to be cancelled). Last year someone had a birthday party in the courtyard, the property co said this was fine as long as neighbours were invited.

At our previous place in Kleinbasel the caretaker used to put a tree and decorations up in the hallway for Christmas and also bunnies and things at Easter. Residents used to leave sweets, chocolates and nuts on a table for people to take which was a nice touch. I'm thinking of leaving little bags of chocs in the hall here this year as it's been such a long miserable time for everyone.
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I've had another thought on this matter. It's probably a different depending upon whether one is an owner (which I think OP is) or a tenant.

Owners are automatically in a legal relationship with each other, since they collectively own the common areas. Therefore, besides the general laws set in place by the official building regulations, or the fire regulations, etc., the rest of the house rules - including what humans and dogs are, or are not, permitted to do - will be matters that can be changed as the owners wish, and proposals for such changes will be voted on each year at the Annual General Meeting.

It can be hell to be part of such a legal connection but to have dedicated opponents to whatever one proposes or votes upon.

On the other hand, it can be simply very practical to be known as the peaceful, sensible, cooperative co-owner, since that increases the chance of one's rational voice being heard at the AGM, and decreases the chance of strife.
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Wildruhegebiet = forest, so rather than being stubborn, and say I do as I please, check with your local townhall. Because if your neighbours are right, the local game warden has the right by law to shoot your dog when not on leash and you can then also look forward to a hefty fine too........



As for the introduction part of your post.

I am Swiss and always have introduced myself with a little letter with photos and a few infos about myself,in particular my handicap.

On my second to last home, I was the Janitor/Landly of the appartment block: Since the house was erected and inhabited we held a summer party in the garden.

Not exactly mandatory for tenants, but I always mentioned it to prospective new tenants, that we would love for them to show their faces at this event. Needless to say that every new person attended and our parties were legendary, sometimes all nighters. This really helped to keep a positive and amiable spirit amongst everybody, for as long as I managed the appartment block.

Now I moved to an estate with 19 semis on it and also introduced us with a letter and photos (me, 1 kid and the dog) and 2.5 yrs later on I still haven't built up many friendly connections,anything other than Hi and Bye on the communal path with anyone,

The people here feel themselves to be above the rest and show it too.
Sometimes you can't win, but I don't feel bad, I showed them courtesy and am not required to do more.

A friend of mine will move next summer into a cooperative housing estate, they have already been informed, that there it is mandatory to introduce yourselves in person when moving in.
Thank you for your inputs. We don’t live in Basel. I have checked the laws and in my canton it’s as you say April to July... it’s November now. I may have come across as stubborn, yes but I suppose I am irritated at being told non-existent rules by people that are simply bored and whom my actions do not affect. The dog IS allowed on the mutual grassy area, the dog IS allowed free at this time in this forest. I have yet to see one other single person other than myself and my husband on either of these areas.

I absolutely commend you for your politeness and social behavior and appreciate your answer to my question. I suppose I do still believe it should be up to free choice though and especially when I am getting these sort of vibes, I feel I have the right to maintain my distance.
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I suppose I do still believe it should be up to free choice though and especially when I am getting these sort of vibes, I feel I have the right to maintain my distance.
Of course you can!!! No problems there at all.

And I know that many of my elderly compatriotes are nosy busybodies....and in particular if you came to live in a house/appt. block where the other tenants/owners formed a community over the past 5/10/15 or more years, then there are often things like unwritten rules that they agred on all those yonks ago and implement them on all newcomers....alas, their personal rules have no legal power at all.

Unless, it is a house in STOCKWERKEIGENTUM / Stockwerkeigentümergesellschaft (condominium owners' association), and you rent a flat from an owner....THEN I am afraid the rules they have set up are also binding for you.

Other than that, some things fall under the consuetudinary law/customary law, where no judge needs to rule, but I honestly don't think that a dog frolicking on a common lawn( not doing its No1 and 2 as you mentioned) , would fall under such a regulation.
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I think it is helpful to be on friendly terms with your neighbours, but I personally don't want them involved in my personal business as my home is my sanctuary away from all my social accountabilities. When I'm home, don't come a knocking unless you were invited or really need something.

When we moved in, we quickly realized we were the youngest and most likely the noisiest tenants, therefore we left a nice note in the mailbox to inform our neighbours who we were/seem presentable/responsible. Also, if we do hold a party, we leave chocolates and a note an the affected neighbours door.
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I think it is helpful to be on friendly terms with your neighbours, but I personally don't want them involved in my personal business as my home is my sanctuary away from all my social accountabilities. When I'm home, don't come a knocking unless you were invited or really need something.

When we moved in, we quickly realized we were the youngest and most likely the noisiest tenants, therefore we left a nice note in the mailbox to inform our neighbours who we were/seem presentable/responsible. Also, if we do hold a party, we leave chocolates and a note an the affected neighbours door.
When we have a party we're making a nice "poster" (I can draw) which says the event we're celebrating, date, hours etc and that everyone can join in...of course people mind their own business, but this is what we've seen others do so we adopted the custom.

One time when some neighbours had guests over and they were kind of noisy we asked them nicely to keep it quieter because OH had some exams the next day. They complied. The next days we offered them a couple of wine bottles as a thank you gift. yeah, it's good to be civil and friendly because you might need your neighbours' understanding too.
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We hosted an apéro for our neighbours when we moved in. Probably not a good idea now with the Corona situation.

We also do an Advent apéro in the entrance lobby in mid-December each year - again, off-limits this year. As a substitute we were thinking of getting everyone out in the communal garden suitably distanced, to raise a glass but I suspect the cold / elderly neighbours combination will mean this will not fly.

Roll on 2021.
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We hosted an apéro for our neighbours when we moved in. Probably not a good idea now with the Corona situation.

We also do an Advent apéro in the entrance lobby in mid-December each year - again, off-limits this year. As a substitute we were thinking of getting everyone out in the communal garden suitably distanced, to raise a glass but I suspect the cold / elderly neighbours combination will mean this will not fly.
The solution that friends found: They held their outdoor courtyard apero on Sunday, with glühwein against the cold. On the invitation they said that they would drop a thermos of glühwein to anyone who did not want to come outside. Then at a certain time everyone, either in the courtyard or on their balconies, raised a glass together to toast the season.


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The solution that friends found: They held their outdoor courtyard apero on Sunday, with glühwein against the cold. On the invitation they said that they would drop a thermos of glühwein to anyone who did not want to come outside. Then at a certain time everyone, either in the courtyard or on their balconies, raised a glass together to toast the season.
Actually, that might fly. That and a few warm sausage rolls / Christmas cookies from the oven to ward off the cold.

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'' I suppose I do still believe it should be up to free choice though and especially when I am getting these sort of vibes, I feel I have the right to maintain my distance. ''


of course it is your choice- keep your distance, and they will keep theirs. Including when you need help for whatever, a parcel delivered, advice or any issues local would be familiar with, etc.
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of course it is your choice- keep your distance, and they will keep theirs. Including when you need help for whatever, a parcel delivered, advice or any issues local would be familiar with, etc.
Yes, I think that is the way it works. I've found that people like to help, in general, and they like to help the helpful the more so.

That's also what I meant about all the owners being connected, legally but also socially, when discussing the finances and the house-rules. People are more likely to try to understand the issues that face someone they've managed to get to know, at least to some extent. Perhaps that is part of what the caretaker meant, when first approaching OP.

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We moved into our new apartment 3 weeks ago.
Today I got a phone call from the Hauswart Agency to be asked if we had introduced ourselves to the neighbours, as the people living there like to know who is living there. There were also some questions relating to our dog so clearly someone had briefed them. There are a lot of oldtimers that live here and the apartments are generally owned not rented, if that makes a difference.
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Thanks everyone. Just to complete the full story. My instincts were unfortunately correct. We did go introduce ourselves to a few of the people. Everyone seems friendly but I have found it a bit generally unpleasant. ... It always is also comments about the dog, who I am fiercely protective over - to the point that I was told not to let him off the leash in the NEIGHBOURING forest (where there are no signs forbidding this). I do and I will as I always have. Also some whining about him not being allowed on the mutual grassy area - which he officially is - the only other way to get to the forest is through the parking lot which I was told to do. Maybe I’m touchy but I find this an absolute cheek! Apparently someone had already emailed through a ‚no dog‘ sign to be put up but they can’t put it up because it’s mutual ground and there is no such rule. And just to preempt it, no, he doesn’t do his business there so that’s not the issue. He does do roly-polys in the grass which must be driving some grouchy old miserables nuts.
There's something to be said for being on good-enough terms with the neighbours, socially but also tactically. House-rules can, after all, be changed by vote. And votes tend to go the way that the people feel is fair towards themselves and towards those of their neighbours whom they like and find to be reasonable, responsible and considerate. Such a vote could, one day, be about the rules on what the dog is or is no longer allowed to do.
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I had a similar issue when I first arrived in Switzerland. My downstairs neighbours and the landlord were very keen for us to introduce ourselves, talk about our lives etc (this was in a smallish village). I prefer to remain anonymous and just say Hi whenever I meet a neighbour, but that's it. It's interesting, I've only encountered this attitude of "what if you need help one day.." in Switzeland and nowhere else. I think that, as long as you don't disturb anyone, it's completely fine to just get on with it without introductions / cards / attending whatever barbeque etc. However, as I could see that the neighbours wouldn't let this pass, after some time we moved to the city, in a large appartment complex, with many expats. None of them gave a toss about us moving in. The funny thing is that we're now friends with several of them. Reason being, this developed naturally and no one was pushing for these wierd neighbourly unwritten rules. We haven't had any issues with anyone!
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Re the dog, I presume you are living in Basel Stadt?

Here's the Law on owning a dog. Actually, it can happen that villages themselves issue laws that the dogs have to be kept on leash in the forest at all times (some issue that law only when the deers have their young)

https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht...t/basel-stadt/

And here's the law on the same in Basel Landschaft and here it states

"In Wildruhegebieten sind Hunde an der Leine zu führen (§ 32 Abs. 1bis Jagdgesetz/BL). Zudem gilt während der Hauptsetz- und Brutzeit vom 1. April bis zum 31. Juli im Wald und an Waldsäumen eine generelle Leinenpflicht für alle Hunde (§ 38 Abs. 1 Jagdgesetz/BL)."

Wildruhegebiet = forest, so rather than being stubborn, and say I do as I please, check with your local townhall. Because if your neighbours are right, the local game warden has the right by law to shoot your dog when not on leash and you can then also look forward to a hefty fine too........



As for the introduction part of your post.

I am Swiss and always have introduced myself with a little letter with photos and a few infos about myself,in particular my handicap.

On my second to last home, I was the Janitor/Landly of the appartment block: Since the house was erected and inhabited we held a summer party in the garden.

Not exactly mandatory for tenants, but I always mentioned it to prospective new tenants, that we would love for them to show their faces at this event. Needless to say that every new person attended and our parties were legendary, sometimes all nighters. This really helped to keep a positive and amiable spirit amongst everybody, for as long as I managed the appartment block.

Now I moved to an estate with 19 semis on it and also introduced us with a letter and photos (me, 1 kid and the dog) and 2.5 yrs later on I still haven't built up many friendly connections,anything other than Hi and Bye on the communal path with anyone,

The people here feel themselves to be above the rest and show it too.
Sometimes you can't win, but I don't feel bad, I showed them courtesy and am not required to do more.

A friend of mine will move next summer into a cooperative housing estate, they have already been informed, that there it is mandatory to introduce yourselves in person when moving in.
But here's the thing, just because people keep to themselves that doesn't mean they see themselves above everyone else. If I receive a letter from a new neighbour along with a photo, I would just think this is strange. People are free to not develop friendships with neighbours and that should be completely acceptable.

Regarding your previous tennancy, you say "not exactly mandatory...". Perhaps people felt they HAD to join as this was not exactly not mandatory! Your new tennancy shows what (many) people really think in general, which is that they do these things because they feel they kinda have to, not want to!
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I had a similar issue when I first arrived in Switzerland. My downstairs neighbours and the landlord were very keen for us to introduce ourselves, talk about our lives etc (this was in a smallish village). I prefer to remain anonymous and just say Hi whenever I meet a neighbour, but that's it. It's interesting, I've only encountered this attitude of "what if you need help one day.." in Switzeland and nowhere else. I think that, as long as you don't disturb anyone, it's completely fine to just get on with it without introductions / cards / attending whatever barbeque etc. However, as I could see that the neighbours wouldn't let this pass, after some time we moved to the city, in a large appartment complex, with many expats. None of them gave a toss about us moving in. The funny thing is that we're now friends with several of them. Reason being, this developed naturally and no one was pushing for these wierd neighbourly unwritten rules. We haven't had any issues with anyone!
Thank you - I couldn’t agree with you more! This ‚doing something for someone because you may need them one day’ is a concept I don’t llke or live by and I’m willing to live with those consequences. To each his own. Maybe I’m naive, but I hope that being a pleasant reasonable person that doesn’t disturb the comfort of others would suffice. I would always be willing to help someone if they had come by to say hi or not, and I would never vote against someone just to ‚stick it to them’ because they didn’t obey my expectations and rules. But I really do appreciate these alternative views from others because it helps see how others see the world and therefore where potential ‚clashes‘ can arise.

I just really don’t have time for bored ninnies that are gossiping in the passage and poking their heads out of windows to see exactly what the ‚new people‘ are up to. And that IS what they are doing. It goes against everything I believe in. This is not a warm natural ‚hi there, I‘m Bob and live on the third floor, welcome to the neighborhood‘. But yes, I should follow the advice I would give someone else and just ignore it, knowing there may be consequences. C‘est la vie.
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Thank you - I couldn’t agree with you more! This ‚doing something for someone because you may need them one day’ is a concept I don’t llke or live by and I’m willing to live with those consequences. To each his own. Maybe I’m naive, but I hope that being a pleasant reasonable person that doesn’t disturb the comfort of others would suffice. I would always be willing to help someone if they had come by to say hi or not, and I would never vote against someone just to ‚stick it to them’ because they didn’t obey my expectations and rules. But I really do appreciate these alternative views from others because it helps see how others see the world and therefore where potential ‚clashes‘ can arise.

I just really don’t have time for bored ninnies that are gossiping in the passage and poking their heads out of windows to see exactly what the ‚new people‘ are up to. And that IS what they are doing. It goes against everything I believe in. This is not a warm natural ‚hi there, I‘m Bob and live on the third floor, welcome to the neighborhood‘. But yes, I should follow the advice I would give someone else and just ignore it, knowing there may be consequences. C‘est la vie.
Indeed, ignore them and see how this plays out. Many such neighbours just show teeth, so I wouldn't worry too much! Best of luck!!
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