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am i getting fired from my job ?

Hello Evryone

i am working since 9years in a company based in basel.

last week had a meeting with HR telling me that the contract was going to be over.

i hade an other meeting for signing the paper that is saying "you have been invited for a meeting today and have been informed that we will terminate your employment agreement as of 28.02.21"

so i wonder if that is saying that they are fireing me or if its a amicable breach of contras ?

thanks in advance for your answers!
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

You have been informed that your company will terminate your contract
to the end of februrary 2021.
So start your applications today, register at the local rav.

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Old 25.11.2020, 13:05
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

Thanks for your answer!
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

There is a 'no fault' end of contract in Switzerland. DO NOT agree to 'mutual' ending....RAV/Unemployment insurance will penailse you by delaying your payment if they think it was your choice.



The employer must say that they are ending the contract from their side, according to the Swiss law, in writing.


They do not specifically need to give a reason. It can help a little if it's 'due to internal restructure' but it's not necessary.


The key here is that you are not quitting...



Double check the contract to make sure they are giving notice and paying out your notice period. It could be 1, 2, or 3 months...


And yes, you phone RAV today to inform them and they will tell you what you need to do next to begin the process of unemployment insurance.
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Old 25.11.2020, 14:50
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

Unfortunately yes... are you expected to work the 3 months or stay at home?

Either-way, you are still employeed in that time so if you fall ill and are in garden leave, get a doctors note and send it to your HR. Not many people are aware of this.

And for RAV, theoretically you can wait until a few weeks before the end, but you will need to prove you started looking as soon as you were layed off, so document all your activity in this regards - applications, discussion with other companies...
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

Firing you? Or are they making you redundant? Bit of a difference.
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Thanks a lot for all your answers! realy helpfull!

ok so if i anderstand well, if they try to make me signe a mutual ending i refuse, but i the contract says we terminate your employment its ok ?

and thanks for the RAV i am leaving and paying my taxes in france...
is that aplicable to france too ?

i have to work!

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Old 25.11.2020, 15:16
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

To says it bluntly: You have been fired.

The only proof they need is that you received the message. They could also have sent a registered letter.
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Firing you? Or are they making you redundant? Bit of a difference.
...or better still “letting you go”.
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

Welcome to the club, received my letter end of August for Termination
end of November 2020.
Did 180 Applications in the 3 months , a forklift course, but had only 2 interviews so far.
In this bad times it is all about your paperworks, there are so many people looking for a new job.
Today will have my 3rd meeting with the RAV, she has done nothing so far.
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Thanks a lot for all your answers! realy helpfull!

ok so if i anderstand well, if they try to make me signe a mutual ending i refuse, but i the contract says we terminate your employment its ok ?

and thanks for the RAV i am leaving and paying my taxes in france...
is that aplicable to france too ?

i have to work!

If you are resident in France, as your profile indicates, you should plan to register with the French job service office (and not RAV Swiss job service). See this link for more details:

https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...d-switzerland/

Good luck to you with your job search!
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Firing you? Or are they making you redundant? Bit of a difference.

Firing him because his position has become redundant, or maybe it hasn't. This is Switzerland and it doesn't really matter, does it?
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Firing him because his position has become redundant, or maybe it hasn't. This is Switzerland and it doesn't really matter, does it?
Well in the English language being “fired” means losing your job because you’ve done something very wrong or you’re really shit at it. Being made redundant means the position is disappearing. One is not good for you future job search, the other is not your fault.
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Well in the English language being “fired” means losing your job because you’ve done something very wrong or you’re really shit at it. Being made redundant means the position is disappearing. One is not good for you future job search, the other is not your fault.
I know but this is Switzerland not England.
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Old 25.11.2020, 17:20
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I know but this is Switzerland not England.
I think people tend to forget that. Also the type of entitlement /protection changes with borders.

Divorce is another example. Better to not assume things are the same as they are at home.

I didn't have 4 years maternity paid here either, but I'd be a fool to attempt asking for it here. Or have lunches paid.

OP, we are rooting for you, hope you get another job asap.
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Well in the English language being “fired” means losing your job because you’ve done something very wrong or you’re really shit at it. Being made redundant means the position is disappearing. One is not good for you future job search, the other is not your fault.
Still, there's no really neutral term for when you've done nothing wrong, your position remains but the employer just doesn't want you any longer.
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Re: am i getting fired from my job ?

Thanks for all your answers! i think i get the point !
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and thanks for the RAV i am leaving and paying my taxes in france...
is that aplicable to france too ?

i have to work!
If you sign onto RAV and stay on the RAV for at least 4 weeks, you can transfer your unemployment benefits to France for 3 months (you will be paid the benefit amount in CH, not France) This holds for EU member states and CH.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
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If you sign onto RAV and stay on the RAV for at least 4 weeks, you can transfer your unemployment benefits to France for 3 months (you will be paid the benefit amount in CH, not France) This holds for EU member states and CH.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
Is that as well for Frontaliers?
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Still, there's no really neutral term for when you've done nothing wrong, your position remains but the employer just doesn't want you any longer.
I think they usually describe it as a "personality mismatch" or "internal realignment"...

But on the reference letter they just skip the line which says "Person X leaves us at their own request" and the bit where they say "we regret that they are leaving". Kind of passive-aggressive.
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