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Coronavirus pandemic: Germany seeks EU deal to close ski resorts

Hmm,

Where is Switzerland on this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55081476

I get a better solution, close the border, let business traffic thru only. No families, no couples, no groups of friends.
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Hmm,

Where is Switzerland on this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55081476

I get a better solution, close the border, let business traffic thru only. No families, no couples, no groups of friends.
Switzerland is not in the EU & wants ski resorts to stay open, unlike other EU countries that have been closed for a month already.
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Re: Coronavirus pandemic: Germany seeks EU deal to close ski resorts

Another brilliant idea. Let's restrict the sport activity to people who probably are the most resistant to the virus anyway
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Re: Coronavirus pandemic: Germany seeks EU deal to close ski resorts

How naive can one be to strive for an EU deal, leaving one country geographically in the middle of the EU out? I find that really shocking.
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How naive can one be to strive for an EU deal, leaving one country geographically in the middle of the EU out? I find that really shocking.
This was the Italians idea. They want the Italian resorts shut, but for the Italians not to go elsewhere too! They also want Switzerland in on the agreement. So far Italy, France and Germany seem to be on board. Austria not ... can’t imagine Switzerland agreeing unless they absolutely have to.
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Re: Coronavirus pandemic: Germany seeks EU deal to close ski resorts

Well, Germany is only seeking to close the mountains until January, so Christmas and new years. Skiing is either crap conditions and/or overcrowding at that time.

But regardless of what the EU does, I am going to avoid the slopes until February.
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Well, Germany is only seeking to close the mountains until January, so Christmas and new years. Skiing is either crap conditions and/or overcrowding at that time.

But regardless of what the EU does, I am going to avoid the slopes until February.
Fine for you. Not so fine for those of us who’s income depends on it being open.
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How naive can one be to strive for an EU deal, leaving one country geographically in the middle of the EU out? I find that really shocking.

You know that bit about sovereignty.... or do you?
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Another brilliant idea. Let's restrict the sport activity to people who probably are the most resistant to the virus anyway
This isnt really the point. People who are skiing may be resistent to the serious effects of the virus, but they absolutely can get and carry it. At Ishgl, it wasnt a high number of deaths, it was that from there it travelled across europe as people went home. Young people dont die, they transmit it to old people, who do.

The pressure on switzerland may be too much if europe does close because the one thing you absolutely do not want is high levels of people travelling in and out and if CH is the only open place with ski slopes people will come here, potentially spreading the virus. If the EU agrees to close the slopes I would be surprised if switzerland didnt follow suit.

Question for me is: if this extends and they close until say march, will the thieving gets at MagicPass actually refund this year ? last year they played an incredibly swizerland-only line of "you should be happy to ski so cheaply with magicpass, of course you cannot have a refund". This year - after the drop in sales - they have a miserable, legal-speak clause saying they will refund to an extent if everything is shut.
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This isnt really the point. People who are skiing may be resistent to the serious effects of the virus, but they absolutely can get and carry it. At Ishgl, it wasnt a high number of deaths, it was that from there it travelled across europe as people went home. Young people dont die, they transmit it to old people, who do.

The pressure on switzerland may be too much if europe does close because the one thing you absolutely do not want is high levels of people travelling in and out and if CH is the only open place with ski slopes people will come here, potentially spreading the virus. If the EU agrees to close the slopes I would be surprised if switzerland didnt follow suit.

Question for me is: if this extends and they close until say march, will the thieving gets at MagicPass actually refund this year ? last year they played an incredibly swizerland-only line of "you should be happy to ski so cheaply with magicpass, of course you cannot have a refund". This year - after the drop in sales - they have a miserable, legal-speak clause saying they will refund to an extent if everything is shut.
You are correct in everything you say.

But closure of ski resorts won't protect the vulnerable and won't slow down the spread of the virus. People still will travel this winter and virus will go around.
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You are correct in everything you say.

But closure of ski resorts won't protect the vulnerable and won't slow down the spread of the virus. People still will travel this winter and virus will go around.
I don't follow your logic. If people transmit the virus to each other in packed areas such as bubble lifts / jumbo lifts / apres ski, then there will be more infections. those people will return back to their homes and will potentially infect more people surely ? It's how it all started. If you stop people moving around, the virus calms down, we have seen that.

So i don't understand why closing the ski lifts will wont protect the vulnerable or slow down the spread, logically it will ? Im not having a go, im just mystified by the thought.
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This isnt really the point. People who are skiing may be resistent to the serious effects of the virus, but they absolutely can get and carry it. At Ishgl, it wasnt a high number of deaths, it was that from there it travelled across europe as people went home. Young people dont die, they transmit it to old people, who do.

The pressure on switzerland may be too much if europe does close because the one thing you absolutely do not want is high levels of people travelling in and out and if CH is the only open place with ski slopes people will come here, potentially spreading the virus. If the EU agrees to close the slopes I would be surprised if switzerland didnt follow suit.
No problem if people returning from CH to EU countries make a 10 day quarantine......wait, there's a 10 day quarantine in place if someone travels today from CH to Germany. What about the others?
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Another brilliant idea. Let's restrict the sport activity to people who probably are the most resistant to the virus anyway

Well unless you know they can't spread the virus and there are no know long term health or life expectancy issues.....


Oh the other hand taking unknown risks just because you could not be bothered to wait say 12 months for a solution would seem like an incredibly dump idea...
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Well unless you know they can't spread the virus and there are no know long term health or life expectancy issues.....


Oh the other hand taking unknown risks just because you could not be bothered to wait say 12 months for a solution would seem like an incredibly dump idea...
Some people will be dead in a year & you have deprived them of a SKi season
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Some people will be dead in a year & you have deprived them of a SKi season
Specifically, a downhill ski season in snow pistes packed by machines with a lift to the top.

Mountains are still for all other activities. Somehow, off-piste ski is cool when lifts are open, but off-piste ski has been not mentioned yet for this season.
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