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NotAllThere 27.11.2020 19:40

"Your German is not good enough..."
 
My son got this. He arrived in Switzerland aged 10, with no German. He got to secondary, having got the highest maths results in the canton, including a question no-one else solved. He went to Gym, and ended up with a masters in Physics from Basel University. Throughout that (University excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

My daughter rose from Real Schule to Secondär to Gym. Thence to a prestigious apprenticeship, BM, now studying for a degree in Pharmaceutical Engineering at the FHNW. Throughout that (FHNW excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

My other daughter, Secondär, FMS, (Got a degree at the Open University in French and German), C2 German from the Goethe institute, and now at an FH to gain a teaching qualification for Primary. throughout that (OU and Goethe Institute excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

In all cases, their German teachers have said "What? Your German is fine". Weird, huh? I wonder who is right? :rolleyes: (The sad thing is, some of these people make decisions based on their unqualified opinion)

(Flameproof jacket donned. Go for it).

Island Monkey 27.11.2020 19:44

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Wonder what isn’t good enough? I’d have thought they’d be fluent!? Sounds more like Xenophobia to me.

NotAllThere 27.11.2020 19:57

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I don't think it's xenophobia. I'm not really sure what it is though.

It could have been worse. We could have stayed in England... :D Everywhere has its own challenges.

Bossa Nova 27.11.2020 19:58

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At least speaking as a native anglophone, given that our language doesn't have gender or cases, and hardly any need to differentially conjugate verbs (I go, you go, we go, they go... I went, you went, we went, they went), I think anglos don't really have the capacity to understand just how many ways it is possible to make mistakes in other languages. It has nothing to do with your ability to find the right words, but if you use "die" instead of "der" or say something is "bon" when it should be "bonne" grates on the ears of native speakers, even if we can't tell the difference.

Where I'm from it's not uncommon to hear people say things like "I seen you at the store the other day", or "I ain't never done that". To me it's normal and understandable, but I know people from the big cities find it quaint/cute/wrong.


I'm sure your kids are dead fluent, and the mistakes your kids make that native speakers pick up on are inconsequential in terms of the overall meaning of the message. The problem is that some pedants want to nitpick over minor details that aren't even on the radar of someone whose first language is English.

Castro 27.11.2020 20:02

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My eldest (9) who was born here also gets this although his German was professionally assessed as being fine. I think a large part is the accent, he speaks English at home so will never have a guttural Swiss German accent.

jacek 27.11.2020 20:09

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Probably it’s ignorance, fear of competition and insecurity, or both. I have been told “Your German is good” (whenever I excuse myself on occasions when speaking my kinda pidgin German interwoven with English words due to lack of knowledge of the right words at the right time). And my level is only B1/B2 max. Not even close to C2 required by the Unis standards.

Axa 27.11.2020 20:09

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Was the problem oral or written German? I assume no highly specialized technical job require to be good at speaking, just writing.

But I understand. That's why I take a more or less cynical approach to language learning beyond the mother one: I'm never going to reach to the level of being good enough, ever. I will always make more grammar and orthography mistakes than the average elementary school children in their mother language. I will always have an accent. So? Focus on other stuff, in my case it's the technical one.

Hard to believe your son never answered I'm a physicist not writing engaging speeches for politicians. Same for your daughter: my thing is pharmaceutical eng., not a German literature professor.

I think the focus on languages on popular culture comes from the fact students are classified between gymnasium and trade school based on performance, and part of the performance is language. I think I'm a walking trigger of bad memories for all the people that wanted to go to gymnasium and university and could not because their German was not good enough. The listen to me talking or read an email from me and just wonder how the f*** I got accepted into university in first place.

NotAllThere 27.11.2020 20:15

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For context, first daughter got here age 4. Second age 6. They're fluent. With the first, she speaks dialect like a native - people don't know she wasn't born here. The other has an English accent if she's flustered or doesn't concentrate.

My son doesn't give a toss.

olygirl 27.11.2020 20:18

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I’m so sorry he had to hear that. I’ve been told the same thing and, unfortunately, I believed it.

With all the “foreigners” in Switzerland, schools are finding German fluency to be an increasing problem. I don’t know what the answer is but lack of fluency May effect your ability to get a job or attend further education.

My only suggestion would be to be persistent and ignore the naysayers for as long as possible. Also, increased reading in German as well as practicing writing will also help immensely.

Good luck!

Bossa Nova 27.11.2020 20:19

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I am also perpetually frustrated at how intolerant my francophone friends are with my French. Sometimes people I meet for the first time tell me that I speak with such a good accent it's only well into the conversation when they realize I'm not a native speaker. But my good friends have no shame in correcting my often not-quite-correct vowel sounds. "Bossie, it's not an e, it's an eeeuh." Or gender: "It's not un répétiton, it's une répétition. Seriously, to-may-to, to-mah-to. I'm a North American married to Brit and we have developed our own hybrid accent in the household. I have a pretty liberal attitude towards how many acceptable ways there are to pronounce vowels.


I work in English with almost exclusively non-native speakers with a large variety of accents and fluency, and some of the pronunciations I hear are interesting, but I always understand them and NEVER correct anyone unless they are so far off people might think they mean something else. I also don't care at all that they don't speak English perfectly.

NotAllThere 27.11.2020 20:24

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 3243837)
My eldest (9) who was born here also gets this although his German was professionally assessed as being fine. I think a large part is the accent, he speaks English at home so will never have a guttural Swiss German accent.

I think some of it English. I think some of it could be that Swiss native speakers make a different category of errors, that don't quite jar as much. Although overall, the German is still pretty good. Remember - this is a minority of teachers, maybe 20-40%. By no means all.

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3243844)
My only suggestion would be to be persistent and ignore the naysayers for as long as possible. Also, increased reading in German as well as practicing writing will also help immensely.

My second daughter was told the refrain by one of her professors, and retorted "I have C2 German from the Goethe Institute".... the professor was so apologetic, and began to consider other reasons for the perceived problem. (E.g. she gabbles under stress, regardless of language).

But yes, this is the strategy we've adopted. Challenge where necessary, always try to cooperate. And inform.

Funny thing - the second daughter is a published author in Switzerland... writing in German. :D

MusicChick 27.11.2020 20:24

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3243834)
I don't think it's xenophobia. I'm not really sure what it is though.

Some people like to rub in their superiority with mother tongue ;)

I don't think your kids cared ( I hope), despite all they made it so far. Congrats on their fantastic success. I don't think they needed the extra challenge from naysayers, but people do weird things..

What's gabble?

NotAllThere 27.11.2020 20:27

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Originally Posted by bossie (Post 3243845)
...some of the pronunciations I hear are interesting...

I never got around to correcting my CIO when he said "that he tries hard to get his pronounce-iation correct" . because I started choking on my orange juice and had to leave the room.

Bossa Nova 27.11.2020 20:28

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3243841)
That's why I take a more or less cynical approach to language learning beyond the mother one: I'm never going to reach to the level of being good enough, ever. I will always make more grammar and orthography mistakes than the average elementary school children in their mother language. I will always have an accent. So? Focus on other stuff, in my case it's the technical one.

The thing is, I think it is very possible/relativley easy for non-native anglophones to achieve something close to fluency in English. My boss is an adult learner of English and has never lived in an anglophone environment, but I don't hear him make a grammatical or "pronounce-iation" error that would raise one of my eyebrows more often than once a month. Ditto for many of my colleagues.

But I've given up on writing in French. I know every word I want to use, but I just can't be arsed to spend ages double-checking the gender of nouns I rarely use, or looking up verb conjugations that differ in orthography but not pronunciation. Waste. Of. My. Time.

JackieH 27.11.2020 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3243842)
My son doesn't give a toss.





great- but lol, what is his German like? (jesting)



Part of the issue here, as it would be in most of Europe- is that a good command of the language, be it oral, written or aural comprehension, and writing/grammar is essential for all students to go on to Gym- or University.


Whereas in England- post 16 Edu is so narrow and specialised- you can excel in A'Levels in Sciences, IT, Art, Design, etc- with 'just' a C at GCSE (end of school exam), and it it possible to re-take separately later if failed, whilst doing the 2 years of A'Level in chosen subjects only.


The daughter of a friend of mine, born and bred here, both Swiss parents and local to her school- failed her Matu because of 1/2 a point in maths- had to re-take the whole year. Got help with maths, and then failed ... for 1/2 point in German (French speaking area)- and that was that. Criminal I feel- especially as she wanted to study music. It took her years to get over this.

Klostersgirl 27.11.2020 21:14

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My two sons, who are born here, heard this all throughtout their school lives. Now that they are out in the working world of Switzerland and nobody knows that they have an English speaking parent and only speak English at home, all they hear is how good their German is and how outstanding their English is.

st2lemans 27.11.2020 21:23

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Had an ex girlfriend (Parisienne, of course) who would bitch that "it's just not possible that you speak French so well but have such a shit accent, you must be faking it to annoy me!"

Tom

JackieH 27.11.2020 21:57

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Raymond Blanc (celebrity Chef in UK) annoys me- he has been in England for 50 years + and he truly cultivates his exaggerated French accent. Mind you, I'd kill to go and stay at Le Manoir aux Quatre Saisons in the Cotswolds.

greenmount 27.11.2020 22:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3243866)
Raymond Blanc (celebrity Chef in UK) annoys me- he has been in England for 50 years + and he truly cultivates his exaggerated French accent. Mind you, I'd kill to go and stay at Le Manoir aux Quatre Saisons in the Cotswolds.

It's part of his charm. C'mon, a French chef without a thick French accent? :p

Sonnenbrand 27.11.2020 22:33

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It sounds like all of your children have excelled wonderfully.

Most people in Switzerland don't have a College Degree; let alone in real and important subjects, along with high levels of fluency in German and English.

Sounds like they have any possibility they could imagine!

"Your German is not good enough" For what?

curley 27.11.2020 22:48

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Originally Posted by Sonnenbrand (Post 3243878)
....

"Your German is not good enough" For what?

This.

If the people said that to the children in German .... half the sentence was missing ergo their own German wasn't good enough for criticizing. :D

On the other hand it seems to be a thing amongst Swiss teachers to "predict" things and negatively. Going on for decades by now it seems. I know my negative teachers were all wrong too :D

Elu 27.11.2020 23:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3243830)
My son got this. He arrived in Switzerland aged 10, with no German. He got to secondary, having got the highest maths results in the canton, including a question no-one else solved. He went to Gym, and ended up with a masters in Physics from Basel University. Throughout that (University excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

My daughter rose from Real Schule to Secondär to Gym. Thence to a prestigious apprenticeship, BM, now studying for a degree in Pharmaceutical Engineering at the FHNW. Throughout that (FHNW excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

My other daughter, Secondär, FMS, (Got a degree at the Open University in French and German), C2 German from the Goethe institute, and now at an FH to gain a teaching qualification for Primary. throughout that (OU and Goethe Institute excepted), the refrain from a few teachers* "Your German is not good enough..."

In all cases, their German teachers have said "What? Your German is fine". Weird, huh? I wonder who is right? :rolleyes: (The sad thing is, some of these people make decisions based on their unqualified opinion)

(Flameproof jacket donned. Go for it).

Yes, I might have said something similar to a student of mine......
Iirc I didn't say that the students german was insufficient though.
I was more or less convinced that said student knew what to answer but struggled, as many german natives when they are doing their first steps in science, with its precise language. Being a non native german speaker might ad another dimension to this, and, imho its the teachers due diligence to take that into account and at least adress it once.

Really happy to hear that all of your children are doing well.

Sky 27.11.2020 23:57

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Originally Posted by bossie (Post 3243845)
I am also perpetually frustrated at how intolerant my francophone friends are with my French. Sometimes people I meet for the first time tell me that I speak with such a good accent it's only well into the conversation when they realize I'm not a native speaker. But my good friends have no shame in correcting my often not-quite-correct vowel sounds. "Bossie, it's not an e, it's an eeeuh." Or gender: "It's not un répétiton, it's une répétition. Seriously, to-may-to, to-mah-to. I'm a North American married to Brit and we have developed our own hybrid accent in the household. I have a pretty liberal attitude towards how many acceptable ways there are to pronounce vowels.

I work in English with almost exclusively non-native speakers with a large variety of accents and fluency, and some of the pronunciations I hear are interesting, but I always understand them and NEVER correct anyone unless they are so far off people might think they mean something else. I also don't care at all that they don't speak English perfectly.

Many expats are very accepting of non-native English speakers when they struggle with English. Agreed.
But would those non-native English speakers find the same level of acceptance if they were in the US or the UK?

NotAllThere 28.11.2020 07:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3243853)
great- but lol, what is his German like? (jesting)

Pretty much like this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Klostersgirl (Post 3243855)
Now that they are out in the working world of Switzerland and nobody knows that they have an English speaking parent and only speak English at home, all they hear is how good their German is and how outstanding their English is.

Also my first daughter speaks dialect so well, that people think she is native.

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 3243898)
Many expats are very accepting of non-native English speakers when they struggle with English. Agreed.
But would those non-native English speakers find the same level of acceptance if they were in the US or the UK?

Funnily enough, my wife came to the UK age 12, and sister (8). My brother in law (who was 15) speaks heavily accented stilted English (has a degree in Civil Engineering, and built roads). They never encountered such comments. Their command of English is excellent.

I do think the English as a language is more fault tolerant than German. No English person would have a problem with "book" pronounced "booook" instead of "buck". Or "marrrsk" instead of "mask". In German schwul and schwül are quite different things - I can never remember which is which, so I always say "feucht". :D

@bossie. Sorry to hear of your trouble with French. I learned french from age 10 to 15, and found it easy. We just learned the gender of nouns as we went along, and how the verbs went, and the usually minor modifications to adjectives with some adjustment of word order. I'm very rusty, but still speak French now. Fortunately, my francophone friends aren't actually French, and make more mistakes than I do! The issue I have with German isn't the noun gender, but that the articles changes according to case! As do nouns and adjectives. I speak German fluently, but I worry it's fluent gibberish. :D

MusicChick 28.11.2020 07:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky (Post 3243898)
Many expats are very accepting of non-native English speakers when they struggle with English. Agreed.
But would those non-native English speakers find the same level of acceptance if they were in the US or the UK?

Totally. Just maybe not on some expat fora outside of UK or US. ;)

I generally found people supportive in Romandie towards people who are learning local languages. If anything they offered help, encouraged. But our area is very international, so much that it prevents some newcomers from having to learn at times, makes it harder. I can learn three national languages where I am, every day. There is always somebody native and thrilled to share. Plus Swiss are patient tutors, usually.

NotSwissEnough 28.11.2020 08:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky (Post 3243898)
Many expats are very accepting of non-native English speakers when they struggle with English. Agreed.
But would those non-native English speakers find the same level of acceptance if they were in the US or the UK?

Uhm.. yeah? I learned English and French in Canada. Average people in the workplace and University profs never gave me a hard time. Who did give me a hard time? The school teachers and even then, the non-English and non-French teachers. BTH, I think they start nitpicking if they hear or know it's not your first language.

countrybumpkin 28.11.2020 08:16

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3243847)
What's gabble?

It’s when somebody speaks so quickly that their individual words are indistinguishable from each other.

I would have thought that would be easy for the Germans, they put numerous words together to make a new non understandable word (to German learners) all the time! :D

MusicChick 28.11.2020 08:29

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Originally Posted by countrybumpkin (Post 3243918)
It’s when somebody speaks so quickly that their individual words are indistinguishable from each other.

I would have thought that would be easy for the Germans, they put numerous words together to make a new non understandable word (to German learners) all the time! :D

It is so logical, though. Those words are like trains...:D

French is tough phonetically but really pretty. Watching news and local shows daily in French is great and reading pushed me over the C2 gap. Kids have different needs plus don't need the push. I don't think that kids I know heard at school that their French would not be sufficient here, maybe the schools are more positive or diverse. There are ways to be positive and helpful without crushing the learner.

fatmanfilms 28.11.2020 08:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3243866)
Raymond Blanc (celebrity Chef in UK) annoys me- he has been in England for 50 years + and he truly cultivates his exaggerated French accent. Mind you, I'd kill to go and stay at Le Manoir aux Quatre Saisons in the Cotswolds.

We had a very poor meal there 2 years ago, I complained when we left at check out with a bill of over Ł1400, for dinner, breakfast & 1 night in the hotel. We got invited back & given the Blanc de Blanc suite. Gary Rhodes the chef invites us for a meeting before dinner, everything was perfect!.

The_Love_Doctor 28.11.2020 08:58

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Who do you choose to listen to?

How do you react to “your <insert skill or faculty> is not good enough”? Does it get you down or do you use that as an opportunity to improve?

It’s YOUR choice.

Capetownian 28.11.2020 09:47

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I moved here about 10 years ago as an adult having grown up in an English speaking country but to Swiss parents that spoke Swiss German to me. I immediately worked as a doctor and 10 years later, still am. At the beginning my Swiss German was just passable and my written German almost non-existent. Over the years my Swiss German has become fluent and my written German understandable, although filled with grammatical errors. 99% of people in Switzerland have only ever encouraged me and been understanding about this. Only very few (and usually people from Germany) have commented ‚that I really need to learn german‘. Now, I would happily ‚learn german‘ but beyond a certain level you would need to put in an unbelievable amount of work for little output so I have just accepted that I will never perfect at it.
What I found very interesting though - in the first few years, part of my job was writing long discharge letters for patients, obviously they were filled with mistakes and always came back from the senior doctors review full of corrections (free german lessons :-)). To improve, I started copying a lot of paragraphs from German colleagues‘ discharge letters (obviously suitably adapted to my patient). Hilariously, these paragraphs, without fail, came back with as many corrections in them. That’s when I decided that the best way forward was to develop a thick skin and that I believe Swiss/Germanic culture, although the Swiss are very polite about it, is quite a critical nit-picking one.
Hope this helps in some way.

greenmount 28.11.2020 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 3243929)
Who do you choose to listen to?

How do you react to “your <insert skill or faculty> is not good enough”? Does it get you down or do you use that as an opportunity to improve?

It’s YOUR choice.

Hmm, it depends. If you're a kid this can be a real downer. Kids aren't vaccinated against this sort of tricks played by adults. I was wondering why some teachers couldn't just make some suggestions in regards with what needs to be improved - be that genders of the nouns, declination, syntax, whatever. Why do they feel the urge to take out their crystal ball and predict future academic tragedies because someone, during some class, didn't know that "repetition" is a feminine noun. :D
I would have expected more from them, but then again, this is a profession like every other profession - some are more gifted than others.

@bossie
I am grateful when friends correct my German. I totally get why your friends do that with your French- the wrong gender sort of modifies the entire structure of the sentence. I would do the same. Out of love, not nastiness. Maybe more discreetly or more tactful than your friends. I do the same with my children and they're not always happy.

MusicChick 28.11.2020 10:00

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Originally Posted by Capetownian (Post 3243938)
I moved here about 10 years ago as an adult having grown up in an English speaking country but to Swiss parents that spoke Swiss German to me. I immediately worked as a doctor and 10 years later, still am. At the beginning my Swiss German was just passable and my written German almost non-existent. Over the years my Swiss German has become fluent and my written German understandable, although filled with grammatical errors. 99% of people in Switzerland have only ever encouraged me and been understanding about this. Only very few (and usually people from Germany) have commented ‚that I really need to learn german‘. Now, I would happily ‚learn german‘ but beyond a certain level you would need to put in an unbelievable amount of work for little output so I have just accepted that I will never perfect at it.
What I found very interesting though - in the first few years, part of my job was writing long discharge letters for patients, obviously they were filled with mistakes and always came back from the senior doctors review full of corrections (free german lessons :-)). To improve, I started copying a lot of paragraphs from German colleagues‘ discharge letters (obviously suitably adapted to my patient). Hilariously, these paragraphs, without fail, came back with as many corrections in them. That’s when I decided that the best way forward was to develop a thick skin and that I believe Swiss/Germanic culture, although the Swiss are very polite about it, is quite a critical nit-picking one.
Hope this helps in some way.

Detail oriented. :D They want their part in helping your amazing success.

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greenmount 28.11.2020 10:40

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Originally Posted by NotSwissEnough (Post 3243916)
Uhm.. yeah? I learned English and French in Canada. Average people in the workplace and University profs never gave me a hard time. Who did give me a hard time? The school teachers and even then, the non-English and non-French teachers. BTH, I think they start nitpicking if they hear or know it's not your first language.

Kind of their job....:)

I wouldn't say it happens only to kids whose first language is other than the official one(s). Or maybe it depends on the education system, who knows. But I wouldn't start from this premise. I'd try to figure out if the criticism was justified.

the care bear 28.11.2020 15:39

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I left Switzerland at the age of 18
Came back 20 years later, i speak perfect swiss and high german
When i get an official letter its like reading another language. I feel like I need a german degree or something
funny i heard on the radio a couple of weeks ago how difficult it is to read some of these letters, even for the german speakers, finally i did not feel alone again.
At my work we have helpers that will actually go to a persons home just to help them with the paperwork.
So yes what does it mean ...your german is not good enough...
my criteria..can you communicate and make yourself understood in day to day living situations.
Are you happy with your german
if yes...voila..your german is good enough..

doropfiz 28.11.2020 19:57

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Originally Posted by the care bear (Post 3244053)
At my work we have helpers that will actually go to a persons home just to help them with the paperwork.

Wow, that sounds like a great service! Can members of the public subscribe to this, or is it a special service for newbies at your employer?

robBob 28.11.2020 20:24

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But I speak bad German perfectly. ;)

Urs Max 28.11.2020 20:49

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Originally Posted by the care bear (Post 3244053)
So yes what does it mean ...your german is not good enough...
my criteria..can you communicate and make yourself understood in day to day living situations.
Are you happy with your german
if yes...voila..your german is good enough..

Agreed. For an everyday situation, that is.

However that doesn't apply to Capetownian acting in a professional capacity. It's probably no problem for the care bear if the message doesn't get across, you simply move on to the next victim :D A medical doc however can't do that, and if the patient doesn't understand the diagnosis, or even worse if it's misunderstood, serious problems may arise. Now add a patient to the mix who isn't proficient in German themselves and the potential problems multiply.

Mileages vary, sometimes a lot.

Murloc 28.11.2020 21:08

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I've heard other stories before, so I think some teachers being negative isn't exclusive to languages, that's just an easy way to put down somebody's enthusiasm.

MusicChick 28.11.2020 21:40

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Originally Posted by Murloc (Post 3244127)
I've heard other stories before, so I think some teachers being negative isn't exclusive to languages, that's just an easy way to put down somebody's enthusiasm.

Which is pretty much a general definition of a naysayer, downer, etc. Grumps.


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