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'little to no reason' is a bit of an overstatement- he was possibly breaking the law X 2 - 2 on a scooter, on pavement/sidewalk.
If you feel that this or any civil law violation justifies being yelled at by a government employee whose only sustenance is your hard work and taxes then I disagree with you.
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Link to the law, please.

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https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a18

It says "maximum two places", but doesn't define what that means in detail.
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If you feel that this or any civil law violation justifies being yelled at by a government employee whose only sustenance is your hard work and taxes then I disagree with you.
Yes I do.

The government employee is indeed working for us; majority of tax payers in this thread clearly think the OP over-reacted and the policeman probably did no wrong.
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Old 01.12.2020, 14:46
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If you feel that this or any civil law violation justifies being yelled at by a government employee whose only sustenance is your hard work and taxes then I disagree with you.
It is no civil law Civil law is between two individuals and not between individuals and the authorities. Civil law does not know punishment by fines etc.

It is proper criminal law.
Reason one: Art. 104 - 109 Swiss Criminal Code.
Reason two: Art. 90 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90
Reason three: Art. 6 Abs. 4 OBG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a6
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Yes I do.

The government employee is indeed working for us; majority of tax payers in this thread clearly think the OP over-reacted and the policeman probably did no wrong.
Majority? I never cared to take that argument into consideration. Apparently majority of people like to be condescended to or yelled at by the very people that supposed to serve them. Well, count me in minority.
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Old 01.12.2020, 14:52
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Itís pretty obvious that the OP meant a face mask.
No it wasn't at all.
But we know now that you wear your mask wrongly.
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Majority? I never cared to take that argument into consideration. Apparently majority of people like to be condescended to or yelled at by the very people that supposed to serve them. Well, count me in minority.
Serve them, but also protect them. In this case it could be protecting the child, or maybe the others around them.

Of course you could have told the police that they are only there to serve you, and like a jedi mind trick the police will no longer yell or even murmur in your direction.
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Old 01.12.2020, 15:21
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Serve them, but also protect them. In this case it could be protecting the child, or maybe the others around them.

Of course you could have told the police that they are only there to serve you, and like a jedi mind trick the police will no longer yell or even murmur in your direction.
LOL.
An other option - should OP pay taxes - would be to tell the police "I pay your salary, you're fired"!
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Old 01.12.2020, 15:22
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Serve them, but also protect them. In this case it could be protecting the child, or maybe the others around them.

Of course you could have told the police that they are only there to serve you, and like a jedi mind trick the police will no longer yell or even murmur in your direction.
Indeed, I guess the police just let OP go with a warning. Somehow OP is not considering that maybe the least bad outcome was being shouted from a car and then feeling offended and angry.

The police could have gone after the child endangerment issue and this thread would be much more interesting.
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Old 01.12.2020, 15:25
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Indeed, I guess the police just let OP go with a warning. Somehow OP is not considering that maybe the least bad outcome was being shouted from a car and then feeling offended and angry.

The police could have gone after the child endangerment issue and this thread would be much more interesting.
I suspect the OP is now considering that, and has decided to not post any further on the topic. And looked at the thread and realised the policeman was a lot less shouty than an interaction on EF.
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Re: Swiss policeman's bad attitude

as usual, we do not have enough info to assess the situation. Was the OP on the road or on the pavement- on the same side as the driving policeman, or on the other side? Had the policeman already tried to speak to the OP without yelling? If the Policeman is in the car on the far side of the road- then speaking quietly was probably not an option- especially if he had already tried to ask the OP to stop, and was not understood or ignored (not being aware the OP didn't understand him). And yes, he was protecting the child and other road/pavement users. Which is his JOB- that we pay him for- to keep us safe.
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as usual, we do not have enough info to assess the situation. Was the OP on the road or on the pavement- on the same side as the driving policeman, or on the other side? Had the policeman already tried to speak to the OP without yelling? If the Policeman is in the car on the far side of the road- then speaking quietly was probably not an option- especially if he had already tried to ask the OP to stop, and was not understood or ignored (not being aware the OP didn't understand him). And yes, he was protecting the child and other road/pavement users. Which is his JOB- that we pay him for- to keep us safe.
Not sure the combination of "we don't have enough info" and "he was protecting the child" really works.

We can say for certain that the policeman is somewhere between a superhero who saves children from certain death, and a power intoxicated arse who shouts at people for no reason. By the law of averages, my guess is somewhere in the middle depending on what kind of day they're having.
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Re: Swiss policeman's bad attitude

I wouldn't take it too personally. 'Road' communication by nature tends to be quick and loud. If a policeman (or even civilian ) sees you going against a certain guideline while on the road they often will yell out quite loudly.

People get alarmed by this and often take it a bit personally so I can understand your reaction but when you think about it it's the quickest way of alerting someone in a noisy environment.
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Serve them, but also protect them. In this case it could be protecting the child, or maybe the others around them.

Of course you could have told the police that they are only there to serve you, and like a jedi mind trick the police will no longer yell or even murmur in your direction.
If it was anyone not wearing an uniform yelling at you for allegedly endangering your children (in their own view) you'd be all offended and demand them to stop at once. But because these unjustified and rude actions were perpetrated by figures of authority wearing an uniform you are ready to submit to whichever verbal abuse they offer. Pathetic, but not unexpected.
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why do people post like that and then never come back to answer follow ups? my guess OP is just having a laugh watching you guys argue senselessly over his trolling.
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or even civilian
members of the public only do that in the UK from my experience. butting into other people's business uninvited is not swiss....
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If you feel that this or any civil law violation justifies being yelled at by a government employee whose only sustenance is your hard work and taxes then I disagree with you.
I'd rather be yelled at than shot.


At Swiss Police School* they are taught 3 levels of niceness.

Very Nice: When you ask them for help, report, or witness a crime
Moderately nice: when youíve lost something like your permit.
Not nice: When youíve done something wrong


Seems fair to me.


*Please note, the niceness levels are very different at the Swiss Customs School.
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If it was anyone not wearing an uniform yelling at you for allegedly endangering your children (in their own view) you'd be all offended and demand them to stop at once. But because these unjustified and rude actions were perpetrated by figures of authority wearing an uniform you are ready to submit to whichever verbal abuse they offer. Pathetic, but not unexpected.
So if you're doing something illegal and someone not in uniform tells you to stop doing it, you ignore them and retort with what "You can't admonish me, you're not the police"?
Then if the police tells you to stop doing it, you turn it back on them and say "Your tone of voice is unreasonable and therefore I shall be ignoring you". Maybe it's no harm having a verbal dressing down and no fine, or would you prefer a fine given in the most polite manner possible?
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So if you're doing something illegal and someone not in uniform tells you to stop doing it, you ignore them and retort with what "You can't admonish me, you're not the police"?
Then if the police tells you to stop doing it, you turn it back on them and say "Your tone of voice is unreasonable and therefore I shall be ignoring you". Maybe it's no harm having a verbal dressing down and no fine, or would you prefer a fine given in the most polite manner possible?
On a second thought, this is how things are back home. If you're son of X, brother of Y, or part of social group Z police needs to treat you with kid gloves. Otherwise they're reprimanded for treating the beautiful people like one from the underclass. I guess describing a police as a moron with a high school diploma reveals a bit about this. How the guy from the lower class dares to talk to me like that? They don't know their place anymore.
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I was hurt by the policeman's attitude, such as expressions and gestures, not words.

I still don't know what's wrong with carrying a child on an electric scooter.
Show me the law involved.
As far as I know, you can carry a child with a helmet on an electric scooter.

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