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travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home office

Hi, everyone, I would like to have your opinions, Thanks. I am thinking about going there so that:

1. I can finally go swimming in the local swimming pools as Geneva closed the pool since Nov.
2. there will be sunnier even I will spend office hours indoors for home office except Xmas -NY week.
3. I will order food delivery or takeaway from restaurants so that I can save some hours linked to grocery shopping, cooking and dishwashing
4. If I go, I will take advantage to meet local dentist, as I probably have some teeth to repair... at least to have a diagnostic.

Point 1,2 are the major points as point 3,4 are only to save some money compared to doing the same in Geneva.

When I come back to Switzerland, I can do home-office during the quarantine period. But I am not sure if it is a good idea during this special time, (COVID wise). On the other hand, without having the COVID pandemic, I would never have the option to work from Spain for a Swiss job.

BTW I haven't met anyone indoors in the last 3 weeks except grocery shopping with mask
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Re: travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home of

I wouldn't go simply because you never know when they are going to close the borders.
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I wouldn't go simply because you never know when they are going to close the borders.
Thanks. are you talking about the Spanish or Swiss authority? we could always change the date of the return flight if that happens?
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Thanks. are you talking about the Spanish or Swiss authority? we could always change the date of the return flight if that happens?
You’re asking us to look in a crystal ball to predict the future. No one knows but I’d place my bets on Spain and France closing borders for a limited time. It’s up to you if you want to deal with the additional stress of not knowing when.
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Re: travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home of

Bring on post nth post about whether it's a great idea to travel when essentially all we hear about the media is imminent closing of borders, lockdown threats because the numbers don't go down etc.

What are you looking for from a bunch of strangers OP?

No, it's not a good idea and your motivations are poor.
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Re: travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home of

I’m writing from Alicante right now.

I came down by train because I was unable to fly for reasons too complicated to elaborate here.

Stopped over in Barcelona in the middle of the curfew . And even went to a tapas bar . Plenty of people round and about and the curfew seems to be respected in theory only . The interpretation seems to be that you’re fine as long as you’re wearing a mask.

No problems crossing any borders . I had al the paperwork and stuff prepared and even showed it to the border guard but he just waved me on .

Shops and businesses here are suffering though and patronage is clearly insufficient to survive . One guy I’ve known for years came over to me and complained bitterly . Huge economic problems waiting to happen if something doesn’t change quickly .

Oh yes, and the housing market continues to boom . Some houses been sold over the last year for absolutely fantasy prices . To Chinese and middle eastern buyers who have not been seen since
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Re: travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home of

Personally I would go to the UK while there's still time, get registered for residency before the transition
period ends and also register with your local Doctor on the NHS.
This should put you 'in pole position' compared to the rest of the world ( except Russia ) for getting
the Covid-19 vaccine jab early.

Believe it or not even Britain's William Shakespeare got vaccinated early.

Following the vaccine jab, 'the worlds your oyster' as you would tick all the boxes as regards meeting
Health & Safety requirements for boarding all the major airlines and entering many countries,
as well as 'who knows ?' becoming exempt from many of the Covid-19 restrictions next year.
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
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Re: travel to Valencia/Alicante from Geneva for a few weeks in Dec/Jan during home of

You want my opinion? OK.

Please don't come back.
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Hi, everyone, I would like to have your opinions, Thanks. I am thinking about going there so that:

1. I can finally go swimming in the local swimming pools as Geneva closed the pool since Nov.
2. there will be sunnier even I will spend office hours indoors for home office except Xmas -NY week.

Point 1,2 are the major points as point 3,4 are only to save some money compared to doing the same in Geneva.
In Spain, 75,000 people+ have died of Covid since March 2020, (46,000 oficial, the rest, without diagnosis, but of 'some related pulmo disease), and >1.7M infected. everybody had some family member dead or at the ICU for weeks at a time.

I wish you all the best, and I hope that neither you nor any loved ones happen to undergo exacerbations, yet, your plan is not very responsible.

would you fall sick in Spain, not sure how you will explain to the Swiss authorities that you have a full time employment in Switzerland, you were not on holidays, but you had to be treated by the SS (Seguridad Social) in Spain -or by a private hospital, and/or get repatriated.... Make sure you are fluent in Spanish - not everybody speaks English in Spain - no, neither physicians.

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In Spain, 75,000 people+ have died of Covid since March 2020, (46,000 oficial, the rest, without diagnosis, but of 'some related pulmo disease), and >1.7M infected. everybody had some family member dead or at the ICU for weeks at a time.

I wish you all the best, and I hope that neither you nor any loved ones happen to undergo exacerbations, yet, your plan is not very responsible.

would you fall sick in Spain, not sure how you will explain to the Swiss authorities that you have a full time employment in Switzerland, you were not on holidays, but you had to be treated by the SS (Seguridad Social) in Spain -or by a private hospital, and/or get repatriated.... Make sure you are fluent in Spanish - not everybody speaks English in Spain - no, neither physicians.

best of luck.
Thanks for your reply, I am confused about the highlighted sentence. Why do I have to explain to Swiss authorities? Is it forbidden by the governement to do home-office abroad?
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Thanks for your reply, I am confused about the highlighted sentence. Why do I have to explain to Swiss authorities? Is it forbidden by the governement to do home-office abroad?
I don’t think it’s forbidden .

I spent the three months of the first lockdown in Hungary, with the full knowledge of my boss and HR. They said if I felt in any way unsafe to let them know and they said they could use diplomatic channels to bring me home . But if I felt comfortable there to stay there as long as I wanted . I stayed until the lockdown ended .
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Thanks for your reply, I am confused about the highlighted sentence. Why do I have to explain to Swiss authorities? Is it forbidden by the governement to do home-office abroad?
Because CH is not fully integrated in the EU, both 'healthcare services' recognize each other, but not automatically.

If you are taken to a public hospital, Spain will ask you to pay for some services (minimal cash), that you will need to claim back to your LAA.

If you are taken to a private hospital, you will have to pay 100% of the costs uprfront (and they will be swiss rates, trust me), and you will have to ask your swiss LAA to pay you back. They might, or might not accept it, given the circumstances, and the fact that your condition was somehow...irregular.

If you happen to become ill and have to be on 'sick leave', not sure if your employer or HR will accept / give for valid a Spanish-written document, as they are paying your taxes and services to be developed (probably ) at the 'place of work' or 'place of usual residence'
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Because CH is not fully integrated in the EU, both 'healthcare services' recognize each other, but not automatically.

If you are taken to a public hospital, Spain will ask you to pay for some services (minimal cash), that you will need to claim back to your LAA.

If you are taken to a private hospital, you will have to pay 100% of the costs uprfront (and they will be swiss rates, trust me), and you will have to ask your swiss LAA to pay you back. They might, or might not accept it, given the circumstances, and the fact that your condition was somehow...irregular.

If you happen to become ill and have to be on 'sick leave', not sure if your employer or HR will accept / give for valid a Spanish-written document, as they are paying your taxes and services to be developed (probably ) at the 'place of work' or 'place of usual residence'
Thanks a lot for your info. "LAA" seems to mean accident insurance? if I have medical cost in Spain, why it is accident insurance and not my health insurance?
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sorry, i mean healthcare insurance. By the way and for info, you will be taken by default to a private hospital. It is the procedure if they don't see a European blue healthcare card.
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sorry, i mean healthcare insurance. By the way and for info, you will be taken by default to a private hospital. It is the procedure if they don't see a European blue healthcare card.
Believe me, if you need medical care in Spain, you should be going to a private hospital if at all possible and nowhere else. My Dad had several operations there any says they were wonderful. The doctors and most of the nurses spoke perfect English and care was better than anything he had experienced before. And of course it wasn't cheap but it didn't cost him and arm and a leg and it definitely wasn't Swiss prices. On the other hand you keep hearing horror stories about the state medical system there.
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