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Head up the Jungfraujoch research station, it's about -20 something on the observation deck. But it involves trains/cable cars. So might not fit exactly.
Similarly, I'd recommend Engelberg/Titlis. Much closer to the OP than Jungfrau, and half an hour or so by cable car from the car park to the top at 3020metres, including the revolving "Rotair" for the last section (of 2). Quite a few things to do at the top, see the link for details.

Another possibility, even closer for the OP, would be Laax. Three cable cars from Laax dorf gets you to the Vorab Glacier at 2570m, and there are a couple of walking paths up there. It's more bleak and exposed up there though, compared with Titlis where there's more to do inside (in the lift station, with the ice caves, shops, etc.) in case the weather's awful and outside, with a chair-lift open for tourists all year round.

As for the temperature, I'd say that once you get below around -10 the "experience" doesn't change _that_ much, so I wouldn't make such a big deal out of finding the more extreme cold, but of course until you've experienced it...

I've skied at temps as low as -35C (in Northern Canada) and it does become seriously challenging, with breath freezing instantly on goggles limiting us to two or three runs between thaw-stops at the lodges. In Europe, probably -25C. I do fondly remember one time sitting outside the bar at the Engelberg base station drinking beer at -18C after an epic day on the slopes. Freezing froth, and a beer slushy at the end if you don't drain the last couple of centimetres in one go.

Ahh, happy days.
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Old 08.01.2021, 13:31
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Indeed, Titlis now at -17įC and sunny https://www.engelberg.ch/en/webcams/
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Re: Where to experience cold weather?

Ace, friends who were ski instructors in Torgon went to work at Mt Tremblant one season, and said they had never ever experienced cold like that.
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Re: Where to experience cold weather?

I remember -25 in the resort in Livigno in the mid-90s when we went there for the Xmas week (there's a thermometer outside one of the shops). There was an open 2 man chair up at the top of the mountain there where the wind chill on top meant literally putting your gloved hands over any exposed part of your face around your goggles etc. otherwise it was stupidly painful.

I'm all for cold (I love snowboarding) but I don't wanna get that cold again now I'm much older
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There is nothing fun about being properly cold. Iíve suffered hypothermia and repeated frostnip while ski teaching. My toes and fingers now get severely cold even in mild conditions due to repeated damage over the years.
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We had -19C here about 10 years ago in February for about a week I believe, that was not fun

I can still recall -60 with wind chill in Chicago - I couldn't even make it from the taxi curbside to inside the airport (Less than 10 meters, and I ran) without losing all feeling in my face. That was brutal
when i lived in Chicago I had a min/max style thermometer outside my window. I remember if displaying +40C max -40C min. 80 celsius range!

the moisture freezes to ice on your facial stubble...
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Re: Where to experience cold weather?

I grew up in Siberia, and also lived in Chicago for a few years. I really prefer the Siberian cold weather to Chicago one -- that was extremely brutal.

When you go for your walk in the cold, don't forget to take off your earrings!
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Heya,
All my life I have been dreaming of experiencing -20, -30 temperatures.
Now in the news they say some places had -26 last night.
Does anyone know where in Switzerland one could go by car, maybe 10-15min of walking, and experience such temperatures?
(Sadly I don't fit into the tiny ice box in my fridge!)
If you have the proper clothing - you might not feel is -30.

Put t-shirt on and shorts and go outside at today's weather, if you want to feel cold.

If you have proper clothing (as advised here on the forum - advice taken and it works!) "Zwiebel" layers kind of clothing, you might not feel it is -20.

We were in Zermatt last week and for the full week we skied at -13 to -19 on the top. Felt much colder on some day with the storm leftovers, but only feel cold on fingers as new gloves are not up to scratch.

The coldest I skied in my life is on Andermatt, Gemsstock station at the top. Few years ago. - 23.

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Felt much colder on some day with the storm leftovers, but only feel cold on fingers as new gloves are not up to scratch.

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What did you get?
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Old 08.01.2021, 16:42
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What did you get?
The gloves I purchased last year. They were not part of this year gearing up.

After the post here I purchased;

1) Odlo first layer. (from their outlet in HŁnenberg)
2) Second layer, Ortovox merino fleece. (Oshner Sport)
3) Another layer, The North Face thermoball, I have this jacket few years.
(this was used in Zermatt 2 out of 6 days, will be retired on normal ski days up to -5.
4) Top layer, Berghaus gore tex jacket for top layer. I have this jacket for few years.
Felt comfortable and never cold.

I need good gloves recommendation.
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If you have the proper clothing - you might not feel is -30.

Put t-shirt on and shorts and go outside at today's weather, if you want to feel cold.

If you have proper clothing (as advised here on the forum - advice taken and it works!) "Zwiebel" layers kind of clothing, you might not feel it is -20.

We were in Zermatt last week and for the full week we skied at -13 to -19 on the top. Felt much colder on some day with the storm leftovers, but only feel cold on fingers as new gloves are not up to scratch.

The coldest I skied in my life is on Andermatt, Gemsstock station at the top. Few years ago. - 23.
You were probably skiing fairly at your limit and exerting yourself though, which helps keep you warm. Iíve had days where Iím absolutely frozen, and the person Iím teaching is really warm. Stand still or move slowly and youíll feel the cold much more no matter how good your clothing!
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I need good gloves recommendation.
I use Level Fly gloves for snowboarding and have never had cold hands with them on.
They've got decent in-built wrist protectors too. Mine were about about 200 CHF a few years ago but Blue Tomato have got some for CHF 87.
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Warm gloves? I manage to destroy them almost every season. So, whatever is cheap at the Ochsner Sport outlet in Murgenthal
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but with silk inners- always.
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Heya,
All my life I have been dreaming of experiencing -20, -30 temperatures.
Now in the news they say some places had -26 last night.
Does anyone know where in Switzerland one could go by car, maybe 10-15min of walking, and experience such temperatures?
(Sadly I don't fit into the tiny ice box in my fridge!)
Come over to S'chanf. It is 20 km about from St Moritz.
-21C today at 8 a.m. when we left for a skitour, at 1600m altitude
Beware, restaurants are closed, so BYOT (Bring Your Own Thermo)
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The frost which I have experienced today, after I went with junior for a pram ride, was immeasurable.
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Re: Where to experience cold weather?

As others have said, it's all about your clothing and the activity. A nordic ski race can be comfortable at -25C, but standing a bus stop in the shade wearing jeans could be pretty miserable especially if it's windy.

It was -23.5 C on my car thermometer in St. Moritz at 9:30am today. And it felt a lot warmer than my morning ski in the dark in Val Roseg (Samedan).

To echo what others have said, the cold weather here doesn't really compare to the self-inflicted suffering one can experience in, say, Mont-Saint-Anne, Quebec.
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