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and no overseas travel before 22 or even 23.
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Actually our environment is a reflection of you mood.


Problem at the moment: Environment can't really profit from our good mood.
Speaking of environment and mood...

Sometimes I really don't know why I bother with this place.
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I’m so sorry you are struggling, you most definitely aren’t alone. Moving to a new country and a new job is extremely stressful in normal times, now it must be even worse.

Don’t be hard on yourself, you are stronger than you know. Your feelings are legitimate and no matter how hopeless you feel, thing will get better. We are almost out of this never ending tunnel and just think how even better it will be to hug your friends and family again...

Hugs & here if you ever need a chat!

Edit: If you can get a pet and be able to still care for them once things return to normal, they really are wonderful companions through life. My two little stinkers sitting on my lap right now bring so much joy.
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Re: Anyone else finding it rather tough at the moment (Zurich)

I feel the same. Moved to Zurich during the first lockdown, got some kind of normality during the summer, and back to feeling very down again now... I'm thankful that work for me has always been relatively normal, it's really kept me sane. Hang in there! I have faith that it'll get better this year, what with vaccinations happening etc. Feel free to send a PM if you want, I'd love to get to know some more people in Zurich
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F*** That!!!
No one can predict the futur obviously. Hope not but given the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if this craziness extends even further to 22/23.https://www.bloombergquint.com/busin...verseas-travel
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As I assume it to be the reason why you came here, is the diff in salary/career worth all you left home?
Maybe you could see that as an opportunity to reflect on your life goals!
Because by the look of it this is gonna stay for a while. Lockdown until summer and no overseas travel before 22 or even 23.
Im certainly not going to wait until 2023!!! Did nothing last year but will 100% be going to brothers wedding in September.
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Im certainly not going to wait until 2023!!!
Likewise. My wife has shown the resilience of a prize fighter and the patience of a saint with our two girls (7 and 4). The notion of not leaving our apartment for mountains within the next few months and a beach within the next 6 is simply not an option
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Likewise. My wife has shown the resilience of a prize fighter and the patience of a saint with our two girls (7 and 4). The notion of not leaving our apartment for mountains within the next few months and a beach within the next 6 is simply not an option
We've promised a vaccine by end of the summer - but I doubt I'll have had it by then. Happy to do a double quarantine but by then it'll be 18 months and the old folk will be vaccinated.
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Not really a rant more just an observation. I moved here last year during the pandemic (and I take responsibility for that!) and have found it very difficult to integrate in any meaningful way.

Don't get me wrong I understand the legend of how difficult Switzerland is, and I am prepared for that. It's just with this never ending lockdown, having to work from my ****y apartment, I'm finding myself increasingly isolated. Obviously can chat with friends and family back home (which helps), but even all their flights etc are cancelled.

Now I understand the answer here is to toughen up a bit, and its weird because usually I am a very tough person. But I'm getting the feeling that I am going backwards with my life. I don't want to come out of this pandemic stunted!

Tl:dr, moved to Zurich to start a new life, ended up with even less of a life whilst working a very stressful job.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to cope, or new things to take up, I would be much obliged.

Sorry to hear that, hang on in there. Contemporary Zurich is excellent place with lots of expat activities and social interaction, I am sure this summer will be wonderful and people will be very eager to socialize. You will catch up.


For my part: as a SciFi freak I imagine myself being on a spaceship going to some far away system now )) This summer I will land, meet the "aliens" and ask them to take me to their leader. I will also try to find out in experimental fashion if our species can interbreed.
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Im certainly not going to wait until 2023!!! Did nothing last year but will 100% be going to brothers wedding in September.
Me neither.
We have twin grandsons born at the end of august whom we have yet to meet.
Even if we can’t get there beforehand I am determined to be there for their first birthday.
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As I assume it to be the reason why you came here, is the diff in salary/career worth all you left home?
Maybe you could see that as an opportunity to reflect on your life goals!
Because by the look of it this is gonna stay for a while. Lockdown until summer and no overseas travel before 22 or even 23.
2023? Why would you think that? Don’t quit your day job and become a life coach/motivator.
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Not really a rant more just an observation. I moved here last year during the pandemic (and I take responsibility for that!) and have found it very difficult to integrate in any meaningful way.

Don't get me wrong I understand the legend of how difficult Switzerland is, and I am prepared for that. It's just with this never ending lockdown, having to work from my ****y apartment, I'm finding myself increasingly isolated. Obviously can chat with friends and family back home (which helps), but even all their flights etc are cancelled.

Now I understand the answer here is to toughen up a bit, and its weird because usually I am a very tough person. But I'm getting the feeling that I am going backwards with my life. I don't want to come out of this pandemic stunted!

Tl:dr, moved to Zurich to start a new life, ended up with even less of a life whilst working a very stressful job.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to cope, or new things to take up, I would be much obliged.
So sorry you feel this way.

One of my employees resigned at the end of last month. She moved over from the UK for her role last March, had her laptop couriered to her home, and has effectively worked from home from day one. Needless to say, she was feeling a bit isolated not meeting any colleagues in person, nor making any friends outside of work.

We tried our best to make her feel welcome within the team, but there are limits to what you can do via video calls. There is definitely something to be said for chit chats by the coffee machine at work. I imagine that she was not chit chatting with anyone.

For this reason, I won't be recruiting any external applicants until most people return to the workplace.

She as much admitted to me that she could earn more back in the UK but came to Switzerland for the experience. Except she came at the wrong time!
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I smiled this morning as I crushed a banana into my muesli.

Why?
Bananas remind me of my late father. As a schoolboy in the Second World War he went without bananas for years and this made him treasure them as an exotic luxury food. Likewise he hated rabbit as that was sometimes the only meat his mother could find.

But why tell us this?
Over the last few months I have had a number of phone and WhatsApp calls with single friends here, in the UK and Australia. Clearly living with a partner makes life much easier through lockdowns (providing you are not tempted t strangle them). But living alone at the moment is very hard.

When they are down, I tried to to compare their life today compared to the last war. Food was rationed, many areas of the UK were bombed nightly, families were separated, normal economic life ended, 3% of the 1940-level world population died - and it lasted 5 years and the effects much longer with all rationing in the UK ending only in 1954.

There was no TV, let alone Netflix! Few phones let alone the internet. Even so it is tough today, and it has already gone on far longer than I imagined, but vaccines are here and life this spring and summer will be much brighter...
Speaking of the Second World War and the hardships people faced, a friend just sent me this montage of the UK and France then and now. It really adds perspective. These are not easy times but to quote my late Mom and Greenmount, "This too shall pass!"...

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/embed....html?ww2-dday
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One of our members organised a walk in Zug on Christmas morning for those who were alone or stranded here that day. I went along and it was lovely to meet him, his wife and another member.

This is something that could be easily organised in the 'social events' sub-forum anywhere in the country and its safe and compliant with the rules. Perhaps meet by a coffee shop to get something warm and then wander along a lake, river etc.. chatting with new people.
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These are very difficult times, but more so I feel for younger people and in particular in your situation. I completely understand your feeling that life is passing by, my sons feel much the same way. We are lucky that we are a family of four and can give each other support and company. I would agree that learning the language is a good use of your time and any other self-improvement activities, perhaps with a bit of caution ... I now have a hernia from my exercise regime 🙄. We also find wine and rum (not together) can do wonders for improving one's mood and making long term plans for the rosy future that you will have. This s***, like all things, will pass, just hang in there.
Speaking of wine, https://www.steinfelsweinshop.ch/weinerlebnisse/events still does great online wine events. In normal time, in the shop, English is no problem, not sure if you can ask for the event to be done in English.

What also might help - Vitaparcours in Käferberg, if you are into that. You might also meet some people.

Finally, I go to Globus delicatessa just to stroll around and get at least some feeling of normality - you end up buying a thing or two, but so be it :-)
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Finally, I go to Globus delicatessa just to stroll around and get at least some feeling of normality - you end up buying a thing or two, but so be it :-)
I was at Globus yesterday afternoon and it felt like pre-Covid times. It felt like most people were not there to really shop but to - like you put it - stroll around. I'd rather you guys please stroll around outside somewhere instead.
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Me neither.
We have twin grandsons born at the end of august whom we have yet to meet.
Even if we can’t get there beforehand I am determined to be there for their first birthday.
Same here, desperate to see daughters, grandchildren and new foster son- and have other friends who are desperate to see parents who are very ill- but very different I feel to going on 'holiday'.

Plenty of mountains, and lakes with beaches, beautiful towns and amazing areas to visit right here in Switzerland, right under our nose, for a while, and with amazing offers everywhere.

We are planning to go to Umbria and Tuscany beginning of May. Driving wtihout stopping, self catering in very remote areas, walking and discovering celtic sites and wild flowers. We can cancel at any time, and we will only go if it is safe and legal to do so- and hopefully OH will be vaccinated too by then. And UK in June or July, or --- again, as above, when legal, safe as poss, and OH vaccinated. Again, we can go on speck as and when.

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Why not Netflix and chill?
Of course and even better why not Deutschland 89 ?

Personally speaking I've been looking forward to the finale of the Deutschland series, namely Deutschland 89
which ( as I'm currently stuck in the UK ) will not appear on British TV until it appears on More 4 on
Friday 26th February.

In fact the current lockdowns and Covid restrictions in the UK are almost like living in the former East
Germany with the Stasi ( played by the Coronavirus curtain twitchers ) taking notes of any indiscretions
of the lockdown rules - like did you see their BBQ in the backgarden on Saturday ? & how many people were
there, were they all wearing face masks & maintaining the required 2 meters apart ? tut, tut, tut.

So it will be refreshing to see the collapse of the DDR along with the Fall of the Berlin Wall in Deutschland 89
it's almost like the promise of freedom from the pandemic with the arrival of the Covid vaccines.

Naturally I expect their East German agent, Martin Rauch played by Jonas Nay to be running around
like a demented cat, as usual thanks to the '89 crisis in the East German Politburo ( almost like Boris
trying to get a grip on the situation in the first wave, Coronavirus pandemic briefings )

Still we will see.
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I thought I was invinceable at 30.
I'm certainly not invinceable at 40+.
But I'm definitely *resilient*

Yes, it's absolutely crap. All I wanted to do today was have go for a walk with my husband, head for a pub or cafe with a board game, and sit and watch the world go by.
Instead, we went for a fast walk in the rain, dropped by the local Denner that's open on Sundays, and a brisk walk back home before parking ourselves on the sofa for a movie.

I have three 'kids' at home - they are 21. 19 and 13. We were talking today with our 13 year old that we hope and pray that he never ever experiences this loss of freedom for the rest of his life.

And the only consolation is that we are probably 99% better off than anyone else in the entire world right now...

Well..apart from Australia... which is where we could be... if we were prepared to give up everything we've worked for over the past 12 years, uproot our young adult dependent children, and risk starting it all over again (if we could even get a flight!). and it would be one-way...and one of our 'key' reasons for living in Switzerland was to be free to travel in Europe and beyond...

Ah....don't give up trying....reach out.... check out 'meetup'...get into some outdoor sport...
It's surely tough right now, even with stable jobs, money to spend, endless online shopping and deliveries, good health and a nice place to live!

My other advice, is that the first year is tough in Zurich, especially if you arrived after end of summer. We were lucky to arrive at the height of summer in 2008. Pre-financial-crash, 30 degrees, beautiful summer's day... whatever the crappy grey winter throws at me, I hold onto the promise that the summer will come back and it will be lush and green and beautiful again.

And for now, don't be afraid to get on a train and head out to find the sun. I cant believe I didn't know there was a page on the meteo-swiss website that can tell you exactly where it will be sunny... most days even if its grey and miserable, you can find a mountain above the clouds and get into the snow and sun... on a train, or a bus... the 'picture-postcard' Switzerland is out there, to be discovered...and regardless of where you go, you know the public transport will get you home again...
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Forget vitamins, walks in the forest and language CDs. Get on Tinder, Grinder etc and get swiping and bonking!
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