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Re: Anyone else finding it rather tough at the moment (Zurich)

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How exactly does lockdown have any effect whatsoever on 70/80/90/100 year olds?
Isolation and a drastic reduction of social contacts?
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Basically our lives are being put on hold so that we can extend the lives of a bunch of 70/80 year olds who were going to die anyway......heaven forbid that we might miss out on a future Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos from that dynamic group of people who spend their time hobbling from one doctors appointment to another.

What is so amazing to me is how risk-averse we have become as a society and how arrogant we are to think that we can eliminate all risk from life. The other day I was thinking back to how the Spanish got into boats and sailed across the Atlantic to discover what is today Latin America. Today it would never happen: health and safety, unions, people on strike, high red tape and regulation, an army of bureaucrats and lawyers ready to pounce and delay everything.

Now look at the people leading us: Simonetta Sommaruga, some public sector lackey who trained as a pianist and dropped out of university to become a career politician. Not one of them has any private sector experience and no concept of profits/losses or how to run anything.

I spend my evenings watching Youtube videos of Brazil where people are out socializing and enjoying themselves and getting on with life while we sit here and rot away.
Wow, you really are off the deep end.
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Old 09.02.2021, 15:16
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Isolation and a drastic reduction of social contacts?
Aren't those in retirement homes already isolated with a drastic reduction of social contacts?

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Old 09.02.2021, 15:36
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Thanks Matt Hancock.... won't be seeing my family for 100 years now
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How exactly does lockdown have any effect whatsoever on 70/80/90/100 year olds?

It effects those younger!

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It affects everybody to a greater or lesser degree.
Lots of older people live very active lives and the lack of social contact and enforced isolation can be very hard on them.

Not all older people are in retirement homes, in fact most of them aren’t.

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Thanks Matt Hancock.... won't be seeing my family for 100 years now
It’s pants isn’t it?
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Re: Anyone else finding it rather tough at the moment (Zurich)

My MIL is almost 80. We call her The White Tornado. She volunteer(s)(d) for absolutely everything in her community. For years, she's run a service for old folks, delivering donated meals, furniture, clothing, and comfort. She has more friends now than I've had in my entire life. If you need something, or you need something done, call her. She loves people, any people.

This year has been hell for her. Her friends are dying one by one (alone), there is no work that is her life's blood, and she can't go out because she is at high risk. She keeps a brave face on it, but we can hear her wistfulness at the end of every optimistic Skype with her on Sundays.

And you tell me there are no lost years?
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Old 09.02.2021, 17:20
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How exactly does lockdown have any effect whatsoever on 70/80/90/100 year olds?

It effects those younger!

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A big impact on that age group is loneliness, even pre-pandemic it is a very lonely time for a lot of people. Visits that they may have had, already possibley few and far between in some cases before, have stopped. Family members and friends visits are greatly reduced from social visits (maybe a couple of times a week) to care only visits. Therefore they have many many more hours alone. They struggle with things that are easy for us, that we dont think twice about, and unfortunately as time goes on it gets harder and harder. I have one elderly neighbour who needs to switch her TV from hdmi1 to hdmi2 to get it working (she needs a new tv to be honest), I usually run over the road to do this. This lockdown I am still doing it but she goes into the other room when I arrive. That's one example, but many things kitchen appliances, heating etc. get harder to use and more confusing, community, family and friends are important to support here. Many elderly people want to remain in their homes and dont want to go into care homes and assisted living, they are emotionally attached to their homes, but this pandemic has expediated this move for many. This is very frightening and sad for them.

Technology is harder from them to grasp so engagement that other generations have via social media, zoom meetings, ordering food online, netflix and chill etc. is out of grasps. Lockdown is lonely for everyone and those channels have helped many of us. Not necessarily an option for all of the older generation. In many cases while they may have the ability to learn, they may not have the device needed for this (ie not everyone over 70 has a mobile).

The few social gatherings they had where they met other people (coffee mornings at the gemeinde type thing) are cancelled. Aside from the social aspect, this reduces their mobility which effects their muscles and generally will have a long term impact on their physical health.


It also greatly impacts their mental health, on a personal note I have noticed with a family member that it expediated senility - the whole situation is so bizarre and going on for so long it is like as if she cannot process it. Its been sad to watch. Finally there is the fear, getting Covid above 70 and certainly above 80 is very dangerous. Thankfully few people want to die and its not something you all of a sudden want just because your older.

So it really impacts the older generation, these are the few years they have left and they aren't seeing grandchildren and family as much or at all and they are in many cases very lonely.
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It affects everybody to a greater or lesser degree.
Lots of older people live very active lives and the lack of social contact and enforced isolation can be very hard on them.

Not all older people are in retirement homes, in fact most of them aren’t.



It’s pants isn’t it?
Honestly Ticino Tom? My OH will be 75 soon, and me 70 before him- and we have many friends who are much older (and many much younger) and who are so active- they hike, cycle, ski, play bridge, go to lectures, courses, theatre and cinema, travel, volunteer, etc, etc. You truly have the empathy of a gnat, and perhaps a bit less.
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Old 09.02.2021, 17:51
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Re: Anyone else finding it rather tough at the moment (Zurich)

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How exactly does lockdown have any effect whatsoever on 70/80/90/100 year olds?
My 88 year old mother has had to reconcile herself to the fact that she may well die without seeing me and my sons again. Many people in her age group are very stoic, but don't think they are unaffected by this situation.
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Wow, you really are off the deep end.
You've not been following his previous posts on how Switzerland does well at "keeping the muslims out" then. He's got some form.
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So it really impacts the older generation, these are the few years they have left and they aren't seeing grandchildren and family as much or at all and they are in many cases very lonely.
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My 88 year old mother has had to reconcile herself to the fact that she may well die without seeing me and my sons again. Many people in her age group are very stoic, but don't think they are unaffected by this situation.
There are two options for why he posted that question.
  1. He was trolling to generate controversy and get some attention (as usual).
  2. He is even more of an abject moron than previously thought.
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....... What is so amazing to me is how risk-averse we have become as a society and how arrogant we are to think that we can eliminate all risk from life. The other day I was thinking back to how the Spanish got into boats and sailed across the Atlantic to discover what is today Latin America. Today it would never happen: health and safety, unions, people on strike, high red tape and regulation, an army of bureaucrats and lawyers ready to pounce and delay everything.......
Now this part got all lost within your - won't comment - post.

It's not only since covid this fact intrigues me. And it's specifically spread in Europe. With the EC marching on, preaching that if they put a rule, a DIN-stamp and strict procedure guidelines on anything and everything we will all be safe. And after all these decades they still haven't realized life doesn't work that way . Yet they will march down that path until there is not one soul left who actually remembers what life is about. Seriously, even the animals begin to forget
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What is so amazing to me is how risk-averse we have become as a society and how arrogant we are to think that we can eliminate all risk from life. The other day I was thinking back to how the Spanish got into boats and sailed across the Atlantic to discover what is today Latin America. Today it would never happen: health and safety, unions, people on strike, high red tape and regulation, an army of bureaucrats and lawyers ready to pounce and delay everything.
Unfortunately a lot of old world diseases was let loose on the new world when the Conquistadors went over, so very
much a pandemic when the Europeans first set foot in America. The only strange thing is there were no 'new world'
diseases, epidemics or pandemics hitting Europe upon their return or none that made the headlines with historians
looking back over this period.
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Re: Anyone else finding it rather tough at the moment (Zurich)

„Today it would never happen“? Standing next to the statue of Jacques Cartier in Saint-Malo, I remember marvelling that he got from there to Canada some five hundred years ago with essentially nothing but the wind. That was before Greta Thunberg sailed the Atlantic, an endeavour widely seen as a waste of time and worse. The exuberant youngsters of our times are exploring new frontiers too, all the time, as exuberant youngsters will, creating bitcoin and recent blackouts in Iran, or - with the best of intentions a few decades ago - pesticide levels that have all but got rid of the dead mosquitoes that used to get stuck on the windscreens in the last millennium. Not to mention coral reefs, rain forests, glaciers and so on. We keep calling up new ghosts, blissfully unaware of the risks involved until we pass tipping points most of us refused to see coming. The science is clear. Unfortunately, our self-preservation is widely perceived as opposed to our economic interests. Moreover, people seem to believe economics is as valid and important as any of the natural sciences. Yet what it describes is not a given, but was entirely invented by our own species. Indeed, there are those who argue it is the religion of our times. Think Trump towers and gherkins instead of cathedrals. We could redesign it. I guess we don‘t want to. Not enough. Not yet.

In this sense, I try to see the pandemic as a warning and an opportunity for a reset. It‘s OK to groan :-) It‘s not an agreeable subject.
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And I see it as a sign that all is well.

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