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Old 08.03.2021, 16:17
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On a separate note, I am vaguely optimistic that the UK will be out of the FOPH high risk countries list very soon. Reasons being:
- the UK 14 day case rate is now equal to/lower than Switzerland's
- the Brazilian variant seems contained
- the "UK variant" has been well-established in Switzerland for the last while, anyway, and the world has not ended.

I hope I am right . Waiting patiently for this week's update to the high risk list...
I'm afraid your optimism was misplaced. The new list is out and the UK is still on it.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...nde/liste.html
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I'm afraid your optimism was misplaced. The new list is out and the UK is still on it.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...nde/liste.html
Ah, that is still the old list. New one is due to be announced this week.. Wednesday I think!
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Ah, that is still the old list. New one is due to be announced this week.. Wednesday I think!

The page header on the BAG link has not been correctly updated - it still says 24.2, however scrolling down the page shows the new list, from 8.3.21. The UK is still there
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The page header on the BAG link has not been correctly updated - it still says 24.2, however scrolling down the page shows the new list, from 8.3.21. The UK is still there
I understand what you mean. But actually, the date is not wrong - it was announced on 24.2 but takes effect only from today 8.3, and it is the same pattern each cycle. So I expect an announcement on 10.3 which takes effect from 22.3. There is always a lead in time, and they have explained the rationale behind that in the same page somewhere at the bottom

... or maybe I could be completely wrong! Either way, no harm hoping LOL ��

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All travellers LEAVING the UK now have to complete the departure form from today onwards. If you get spot checked and you're found to be going on holiday and not a valid readon expect to get fined:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...ational-travel

This is on top of the usual locator form rubbish for when you come back into the UK.
I have worked out that for my round trip to the UK, I will have to complete at least 8 forms:
  • 2 x Attestation sur l'honneur absence de symptômes Covid (one in each direction through France)
  • International travel declaration to leave France towards the UK
  • UK Passenger Locator Form
  • UK declaration for international travel (the new one mentioned by Spaceghost)
  • International travel declaration to get back into France from the UK (this is a French document, not the same as Spaceghost's one)
  • Attestation de déplacement dérogatoire in case I miss the French curfew deadline on the way back from Calais to Switzerland
  • Entry form to get back into Switzerland

It's form heaven ;-)
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I have worked out that for my round trip to the UK, I will have to complete at least 8 forms:
  • 2 x Attestation sur l'honneur absence de symptômes Covid (one in each direction through France)
  • International travel declaration to leave France towards the UK
  • UK Passenger Locator Form
  • UK declaration for international travel (the new one mentioned by Spaceghost)
  • International travel declaration to get back into France from the UK (this is a French document, not the same as Spaceghost's one)
  • Attestation de déplacement dérogatoire in case I miss the French curfew deadline on the way back from Calais to Switzerland
  • Entry form to get back into Switzerland

It's form heaven ;-)
Plus you need to carry proof of your residence in Switzerland and the negative Covid test to enter the U.K., your 2 and 8 day covid tests whilst there (and the 5th day test to release if you deem this necessary) and the negative PCR covid test to return. I am in the process of booking all this, not the test to release as I don’t see the point for me, at a combined cost of around £380 and then there is the tunnel costs on top. I have frequent traveller tickets and am still being quoted over £400 for my trip, funeral.

It is what it is and when you have no choice but to travel you just pay up but it puts a bitter taste in the mouth when you feel people are profiting from others misfortune.

My thoughts are with you.
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Plus you need to carry proof of your residence in Switzerland and the negative Covid test to enter the U.K., your 2 and 8 day covid tests whilst there (and the 5th day test to release if you deem this necessary) and the negative PCR covid test to return. I am in the process of booking all this, not the test to release as I don’t see the point for me, at a combined cost of around £380 and then there is the tunnel costs on top. I have frequent traveller tickets and am still being quoted over £400 for my trip, funeral.

It is what it is and when you have no choice but to travel you just pay up but it puts a bitter taste in the mouth when you feel people are profiting from others misfortune.

My thoughts are with you.
I've actually only just found out about the extra test to be released after 5 days, and I will probably do it... given the overall cost of tests and transport, another £200 doesn't seem to make so much difference in the grand scheme of things. And it will allow me to help my parents a bit more, by going shopping for example.
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Re: Commuting between UK and Switzerland

If driving through France from the UK to Switzerland, don't you have to self-isolate in France, or are you exempt from that if you are just driving straight trough from the ferry port and have proof of your residency in Switzerland?
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If driving through France from the UK to Switzerland, don't you have to self-isolate in France, or are you exempt from that if you are just driving straight trough from the ferry port and have proof of your residency in Switzerland?
In theory yes, they can ask you to self-isolate in a hotel. I haven't been able to find anything official that specifically says how/if this is applied in the case of transit for people trying to get back home.
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In theory yes, they can ask you to self-isolate in a hotel. I haven't been able to find anything official that specifically says how/if this is applied in the case of transit for people trying to get back home.
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actual...l-travel#from4

I am sure you have seen this link Stephen, it states that as long as you fit all the criteria; compelling reason to travel, negative PCR test prior to travel, proof of residence etc, then you can transit through France to your destination as long as you do not take more than 24hours.
The quarantine in France in hotels is for those who were unable to be tested prior to their arrival, they will be required to test and quarantine on arrival. Well that’s my reading of it.

On my return I need to fill the criteria and get home by 18.00h.

Also be aware that at the moment a lot of the north of France, including Pas de Calais and Dunkirk are under lockdown at the weekends so if you travel then expect more checks.
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Re: Commuting between UK and Switzerland

For those of you staying longer it could be worth you using the Heathrow drive through for your return test as its only £80 vs the usual £120 for a PCR:


https://www.expresstest.co.uk/book-a...drive-through/


Small saving relatively I know but 40 quid is still 40 quid.
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I have worked out that for my round trip to the UK, I will have to complete at least 8 forms:
  • 2 x Attestation sur l'honneur absence de symptômes Covid (one in each direction through France)
  • International travel declaration to leave France towards the UK
  • UK Passenger Locator Form
  • UK declaration for international travel (the new one mentioned by Spaceghost)
  • International travel declaration to get back into France from the UK (this is a French document, not the same as Spaceghost's one)
  • Attestation de déplacement dérogatoire in case I miss the French curfew deadline on the way back from Calais to Switzerland
  • Entry form to get back into Switzerland

It's form heaven ;-)
Stephen, please can you send me the link to the 2x attestation d’honneur for the absence of Covid. I cannot find a separate document, in my searches I am only getting the International travel declarations for third country nationals. Is it not incorporated within those? Thanks
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Re: Commuting between UK and Switzerland

Thanks CountryBumpkin for the link.......it says
" 9. Citizen of a third country in transit in the international zone for less than 24 hours"
I'm not sure what International Zone means. Is that specific to an airport do you think?
I'm in the UK for the moment, have a Swiss residence permit and hence can re-enter Switzerland, where my partner is, but I'm still not clear that I am allowed enter France by ferry and to make the short 8 hour drive through France to the Swiss border without having to self isolate in France. Clearly it makes sense to get me out of France and let me self-isolate in Switzerland, but common sense doesn't always apply!
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Stephen, please can you send me the link to the 2x attestation d’honneur for the absence of Covid. I cannot find a separate document, in my searches I am only getting the International travel declarations for third country nationals. Is it not incorporated within those? Thanks
It's on the page that you linked to in an earlier posting, and which I think both of us have been learning by heart over the last few days:

https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actual...t-et-de-voyage

ENGAGEMENT SUR L’HONNEUR À SE SOUMETTRE AUX RÈGLES RELATIVES À L’ENTRÉE SUR LE TERRITOIRE NATIONAL MÉTROPOLITAIN

This one seems to be needed even when entering France from another Schengen country.
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Thanks CountryBumpkin for the link.......it says
" 9. Citizen of a third country in transit in the international zone for less than 24 hours"
I'm not sure what International Zone means. Is that specific to an airport do you think?
I'm in the UK for the moment, have a Swiss residence permit and hence can re-enter Switzerland, where my partner is, but I'm still not clear that I am allowed enter France by ferry and to make the short 8 hour drive through France to the Swiss border without having to self isolate in France. Clearly it makes sense to get me out of France and let me self-isolate in Switzerland, but common sense doesn't always apply!
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Thanks CountryBumpkin for the link.......it says

I'm not sure what International Zone means. Is that specific to an airport do you think? !
Yes, I think this refers to airports. There is a similar text on the https://reopen.europa.eu site, where it specifically mentions the international zone of airports.

Good luck with your travel, your situation is the same as mine, except that I am not in the UK yet.
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Update on Heathrow - 90 mins queueing time to get through Border Control last Friday. A workmate had 3 hours last Tuesday so seems completely random depending upon how many planes land around the time you want to enter the country.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the update on queues I am flying end of the month and can only hope it gets a bit better!
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In 1994 flying Zurich Heathrow Friday evening & returning Sunday evening cost between 500-700 CHF using BA or Swiss Air as it was called, the 250-300 almost 27 years later is still a huge bargain!
Swissair still managed to go bust even so! Perhaps you remember a small airline Condor airlines and Jet Avaiation? A cheaper alternative back then!
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So if you do all that- you won't need to isolate in the UK?

Are people ever allowed to isolate in a family home, with family?
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Are people ever allowed to isolate in a family home, with family?
In most countries, yes.

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So if you do all that- you won't need to isolate in the UK?

Are people ever allowed to isolate in a family home, with family?
You must still isolate for 10 days or fewer if you take the extra “test to release” option on day 5. So; test to go to the U.K., tests on day 2 and day 8 with an option of an extra on day 5. You then need a test to come back. So 4 tests and 10 days quarantine or 5 tests and 5/6 days quarantine plus the quarantine you may or may not be required to do on your return.
You can stay in the family home as long as you stay safely away from family members with whom you did not travel.

I will be isolating with any photos and memories I come across, Mums carer, who lives across the road will deliver food parcels as required.
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