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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

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You can read it your own, clearly unbiased way, or you can just read it as the article you've pointed out to explains:



As AZ case is showing there's no point of signing a contract for millions of a product if you can't deliver on your promise. Novavax is doing well to make first a good estimation of their possible deliveries
Thats all AZ promised, their 'best efforts'
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Nothing to do with Brexit, that's the British paranoia with the EU that continues even after the country has left the block, this obsession with the EU is unhealthy. The EU is only pissed off with AZ for very practical reasons, as summed up very well by the FT today:

https://www.ft.com/content/7df5e368-...3-5b2e623ce708



AZ promised 270 million doses by the end of the second quarter, and the EU member states relied on that for their logistics and their orders for other vaccines.



There is no issue whatsoever with the UK, only with one company. Unfortunately because of their mistakes all the production is being scrutinised and the EU is unhappy about the millions of vaccines sent across the channel with no correspondonding flows.

UK will never understand that the EU and continentals don't really care that much about that country, as they think of themselves as being centre of the world so it is difficult to get them to think otherwise, but sure whatever it is all about Brexit.
This.
I don't get the obsession since this is what they wanted. Weird.
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Old 26.03.2021, 11:19
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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Who is 'they'?


Truth, like history and beauty, is very much in the eyes of the beholder. What is happening is being reported very differently by different sources in the UK, and certainly by sources in the EU and all over the world. Will we ever know- the truth?

Best effort to supply to the highest bidder, and the highest '?!?!?!?' God knows what. Or best effort to supply all who have ordered more or less at the same time (and it seems clear now that the EU's order was earlier than the UK, albeit by 1 day.
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Old 26.03.2021, 11:21
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Who is 'they'?


Truth, like history and beauty, is very much in the eyes of the beholder. What is happening is being reported very differently by different sources in the UK, and certainly by sources in the EU and all over the world. Will we ever know- the truth?
To be honest, hardly anyone even cares.
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Old 26.03.2021, 11:27
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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Oh I think you are very much mistaken here- 100%.

One thing is sure, in such a 'controversy' you cannot trust the Business or parties involved to be the sole provider of said 'truth' and trust them. And certrainly not the shareholders.

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Oh I think you are very much mistaken here- 100%.

One thing is sure, in such a 'controversy' you cannot trust the Business or parties involved to be the sole provider of said 'truth' and trust them. And certrainly not the shareholders.
The can be trusted, UK had first refusal paying a higher price, don't you love capitalism
Just to remind you this is a vaccine that is dangerous & does not work if you believe the EU leaders, so why do they even care or were they just lying? which is fine in you book because they are the lovable EU.
However the thought of investing in the EU will be a no go for many if governments start interfering with private companies, that is a much bigger issue for capitalists.
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Old 26.03.2021, 15:24
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Oh I think you are very much mistaken here- 100%.

One thing is sure, in such a 'controversy' you cannot trust the Business or parties involved to be the sole provider of said 'truth' and trust them. And certrainly not the shareholders.
Yet you appear to take the EU Comission's claims as the gospel truth.

Did Macron ever publicly correct his lies from late January, spoken only hours before EMA gave emergency permission?
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Old 26.03.2021, 16:00
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Yet you appear to take the EU Comission's claims as the gospel truth.
nope, wherever have I stated this?
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Old 26.03.2021, 17:43
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The can be trusted, UK had first refusal paying a higher price, don't you love capitalism
Just to remind you this is a vaccine that is dangerous & does not work if you believe the EU leaders, so why do they even care or were they just lying? which is fine in you book because they are the lovable EU.
However the thought of investing in the EU will be a no go for many if governments start interfering with private companies, that is a much bigger issue for capitalists.
All governments interfere with private companies, tell me of any developed country that doesn't have any regulations or corporate tax.

You are just ranting against one particular government, and it is quite tiresome, really.
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Old 26.03.2021, 17:48
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All governments interfere with private companies, tell me of any developed country that doesn't have any regulations or corporate tax.

You are just ranting against one particular government, and it is quite tiresome, really.
Corporation tax is published in advance & possible regulations are known about as there is a discussion period. UK will be at a huge advantage to manufacture drugs because of this.
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Old 26.03.2021, 20:17
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Corporation tax is published in advance & possible regulations are known about as there is a discussion period. UK will be at a huge advantage to manufacture drugs because of this.
Yet you don't seem to get bothered by the botched trade regulations implemented by the UK overnight, which left many firms unprepared for Brexit. Ah, but the EU acting in its interests IS a problem
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Yet you don't seem to get bothered by the botched trade regulations implemented by the UK overnight, which left many firms unprepared for Brexit. Ah, but the EU acting in its interests IS a problem
4 years notice, the hard BREXIT only occurred as the previous administration ignored the referendum result.

Tough shit this democracy stuff.

The EU does not have an 'interest' in AZ, thats the issue, it's owned by the shareholders. EU can't vote at any AGM unless they purchase a stake.

You are forgetting there is no money in it for AZ or their shareholders, if they had balls they would just refuse to supply any vaccine to the EU & supply 3rd world countries instead. Rather like resigning in CH without notice due to the behaviour of the EU.
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Yet you don't seem to get bothered by the botched trade regulations implemented by the UK overnight, which left many firms unprepared for Brexit. Ah, but the EU acting in its interests IS a problem
That's rather the point, I don't believe the EU is actually acting in its own interest. Rather the EU Commission's interest as they're embarrassed and can't be seen to fail and Franco-German interest whose leaders have elections in the near future amidst falling polling numbers and so are looking to take a tough line.

Ironically, I believe what we're seeing here is actually the first effects on the EU of Brexit. Normally in such circumstances the UK would have acted as a counterweight to the Commission/Franco-German position on the vaccine rollout. Now that counterweight is no longer there, the smaller nations will find it hard to resist these positions.
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All governments interfere with private companies, tell me of any developed country that doesn't have any regulations or corporate tax.

You are just ranting against one particular government, and it is quite tiresome, really.
Thereís quite a lot of things you seem to find tiresome really, isnít there ? Personally I find the EUís ever changing position on the AZ vaccine quite tiresome because if I lived in the EU by now Iíd have lost all faith in it and probably think itís a about as good as a bag of soggy chips when it comes to defeating corona.

Which would be a tiresome conclusion, really, because of course it isnít, itís actually wonderfully effective.

Tiring stuff indeed.
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That's rather the point, I don't believe the EU is actually acting in its own interest. Rather the EU Commission's interest as they're embarrassed and can't be seen to fail and Franco-German interest whose leaders have elections in the near future amidst falling polling numbers and so are looking to take a tough line.

Ironically, I believe what we're seeing here is actually the first effects on the EU of Brexit. Normally in such circumstances the UK would have acted as a counterweight to the Commission/Franco-German position on the vaccine rollout. Now that counterweight is no longer there, the smaller nations will find it hard to resist these positions.
The EU certainly hasn't acted in the interests of its own citizens - they are the real losers in this fiasco and certain politicians give no indication that they give a dam. You'd think that the first thing the EU would have done in the circumstances would have been to find a solution. This is what happens when an ideology takes precedence over anything else. And I say that as a Remain voter (sadly disillusioned).
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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Raise your hands if you were born EU citizens, Britons fortunately don't count. Ah, I've been living in Switzerland for a decade, but I'm one of them. I don't think Britons can understand the support that the EU has from its citizens, especially on this issue. This is like a chicken hen, where you just keep repeating your own positions that get self-confirmed due to the lack of external outputs in the conversation. Many people and the press are in fact clamouring for even harsher measures against non EU states. I don't care about Brexit, but as Britain is no longer a member state I don't care about that country any more, that's a general feeling.

With this being said I still don't understand what this thread is doing in 'Switzerland's daily life', from what I understand some participants don't even live in Switzerland.
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Raise your hands if you were born EU citizens, Britons fortunately don't count. Ah, I've been living in Switzerland for a decade, but I'm one of them. I don't think Britons can understand the support that the EU has from its citizens, especially on this issue. This is like a chicken hen, where you just keep repeating your own positions that get self-confirmed due to the lack of external outputs in the conversation. Many people and the press are in fact clamouring for even harsher measures against non EU states. I don't care about Brexit, but as Britain is no longer a member state I don't care about that country any more, that's a general feeling.

With this being said I still don't understand what this thread is doing in 'Switzerland's daily life', from what I understand some participants don't even live in Switzerland.
Plenty of younger Brits, were born UK citizens, probably about half of Brittons alive today. Perhaps the older ones did not vote for this new status rebelled.
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Raise your hands if you were born EU citizens, Britons fortunately don't count. Ah, I've been living in Switzerland for a decade, but I'm one of them. I don't think Britons can understand the support that the EU has from its citizens, especially on this issue. This is like a chicken hen, where you just keep repeating your own positions that get self-confirmed due to the lack of external outputs in the conversation. Many people and the press are in fact clamouring for even harsher measures against non EU states. I don't care about Brexit, but as Britain is no longer a member state I don't care about that country any more, that's a general feeling.
Any Brit who was born during the time the UK was a member of the EU was born as an EU citizen. Brexit hasnít changed that and itís not for you to decide otherwise.
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Old 27.03.2021, 11:07
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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Booster stots for the over 70's from September

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-b...055300621.html
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Raise your hands if you were born EU citizens

Not possible I am afraid, as I was born a very long time before the EU. And I was born and raised in Switzerland.

Became British in 73.
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