Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 14.02.2021, 20:56
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,201
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,931 Times in 3,153 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
15,000,000 may have had their first dose but how many have had the second?

My 87 year old mother had her first dose on 25th January, she will get her second dose on 13th April, 3 days before the U.K. governmentís 90 day limit! In my opinion they are going against the scientists by delaying the second dose to get ahead of every other country for the first dose. So, in fact they have managed to give 15,000,000 half of the recommended dose.
Astra Zeneca have actually now shown that the vaccine is more effective with a 12 week gap than the shorter 3-4 week gap. The WHO have now praised the British scientists for being brave.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:13
Belgianmum's Avatar
Roastbeef & Yorkshire mod
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuch‚tel
Posts: 13,491
Groaned at 251 Times in 212 Posts
Thanked 22,678 Times in 9,262 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post

I thought Swiss gov did reserved and paid for millions of doses of different vaccines, the problems lies in the actual deliveries? And most countries are dealing with the same problem?
Thatís what I thought too. They might have actually been a bit more advanced in their vaccination programme if theyíd actually received all the doses they were expecting.

That plus the fact that there is no provision for emergency authorisation of vaccines in Switzerland so they havenít been able approve the AZ vaccine yet as the require more data. The AZ vaccine was a large proportion of the Swiss pre-ordered vaccines.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:20
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,376
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
That plus the fact that there is no provision for emergency authorisation of vaccines in Switzerland so they havenít been able approve the AZ vaccine yet as the require more data. The AZ vaccine was a large proportion of the Swiss pre-ordered vaccines.
So whose fault is that......... oh wait its Switzerland's fault.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #24  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:23
Belgianmum's Avatar
Roastbeef & Yorkshire mod
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuch‚tel
Posts: 13,491
Groaned at 251 Times in 212 Posts
Thanked 22,678 Times in 9,262 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
So whose fault is that......... oh wait its Switzerland's fault.
Did I say otherwise?
Itís the way the system is organised here, I suspect it would be a long, drawn out process to change it and allow for emergency authorisation.
I doubt itís been something thatís ever really been needed before.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:24
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,428 Times in 10,577 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

I honestly think that AZ will be the easiest to get and actually distribute, despite the earliest doubts I read in the media but I am no specialist. UK got ahead with production for themselves, it makes sense.

CZ is waiting for deliveries, biting their nails, while their at risk bellow 80 and over 65s haven't been vaxed at all (should start in March), but health staff is getting priority. And they are going to start the Novavax production soon, also waiting for due licensing. I wonder if it even gets to Czechs, despite the capacity of billion doses per year.

Everything and everybody is late. Except Israel and the UK?
__________________
"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

ďThe only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.Ē S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:26
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 16,522
Groaned at 582 Times in 457 Posts
Thanked 24,728 Times in 9,954 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
I am a pianist but it is not the reason why I want to ask you, while I understand your frustration very much, my work puts me at risk every day - why do you have to address her like this, on a public media?
So it's okay to call Trump anything on public media when he was U.S. president but not the Swiss president?

Irrespective of what you personally think (or were brought up to believe), people really do have the right to ridicule politicians of any nationality in a free country.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #27  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:29
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 16,522
Groaned at 582 Times in 457 Posts
Thanked 24,728 Times in 9,954 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Did I say otherwise?
Itís the way the system is organised here, I suspect it would be a long, drawn out process to change it and allow for emergency authorisation.
I doubt itís been something thatís ever really been needed before.
I thought Swiss Medic were dealing with these vaccine approvals in a different manner to normal approvals? - In the sense that not all data has been provided upfront at the beginning of the approval process but is submitted for approval as and when it is ready, or requested so it's more of a rolling process than normal.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:33
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,201
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,931 Times in 3,153 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Regardless of vaccine orders and deliveries, Switzerland has had 806,025 doses delivered, but only administered 482,423. That's appalling

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:36
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,428 Times in 10,577 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Regardless of vaccine orders and deliveries, Switzerland has had 806,025 doses delivered, but only administered 482,423. That's appalling

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
That's the 1st dose then, I take it..the rest is the 2nd.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #30  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:43
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Zurich
Posts: 538
Groaned at 65 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 1,105 Times in 562 Posts
John William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
How many of the UK politicians are career politicians? And never worked a day in their life?

Maybe they are doing better with vaccinations, almost anything else, I prefer Switzerland

PS educated they are all, they just did not go to uni and that is not not being educated.....!
So will the lessons learned from the UK be that their vaccination rollout ( carried out with military precision )
was won on the playing fields of Eton ?
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 14.02.2021, 21:53
smackerjack's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: U.K/VAUD
Posts: 2,242
Groaned at 14 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 2,691 Times in 1,110 Posts
smackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond reputesmackerjack has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

For those of you that have family in the UK a little tip which might be useful -

If your GP doesn't have your mobile phone number you usually get a letter from the NHS inviting you for vaccination. These vaccinations are usually some distance from where you live. My brother and several of my UK neighbours booked their jab online , drove and got it -which is great- but then the next day or two their GPs called inviting them in to the surgery which was a few minutes away.
My UK neighbour drove a long way last week in the snow to get vaccinated, got home and her surgery rang in the afternoon offering her the vaccine...
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 14.02.2021, 22:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 2,876
Groaned at 63 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 4,070 Times in 1,901 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Regardless of vaccine orders and deliveries, Switzerland has had 806,025 doses delivered, but only administered 482,423. That's appalling

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
And probably only to 300,000 or so people.

The 800,000 - around 10% of the population is actually not bad, but the rollout decisions (AZ refusal, dosing schedule) have been appalling.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 14.02.2021, 22:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 2,876
Groaned at 63 Times in 51 Posts
Thanked 4,070 Times in 1,901 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Thatís what I thought too. They might have actually been a bit more advanced in their vaccination programme if theyíd actually received all the doses they were expecting.

That plus the fact that there is no provision for emergency authorisation of vaccines in Switzerland so they havenít been able approve the AZ vaccine yet as the require more data. The AZ vaccine was a large proportion of the Swiss pre-ordered vaccines.
That's absolutely shocking.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 14.02.2021, 23:29
zuzi666's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Oberwallis
Posts: 261
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 108 Times in 60 Posts
zuzi666 is considered knowledgeablezuzi666 is considered knowledgeablezuzi666 is considered knowledgeable
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
I thought Swiss Medic were dealing with these vaccine approvals in a different manner to normal approvals? - In the sense that not all data has been provided upfront at the beginning of the approval process but is submitted for approval as and when it is ready, or requested so it's more of a rolling process than normal.
this is correct. not only for Swissmedic but for every regulatory bodies with these vaccines. a lot is on preliminary data and trust.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank zuzi666 for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:06
Klostersgirl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ZH
Posts: 691
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 1,329 Times in 411 Posts
Klostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
That's the 1st dose then, I take it..the rest is the 2nd.
I think that might be the case. My son had his second vaccination on Saturday in ZH. He didn't expect to get it due to the delivery issues. In his case, it seems as thougn receiving the first dose automatically meant a second dose was reerved for him.

I am hearing of British expats who are intending to head to the UK to get vaccinated. Doesn't sound right to me and I wonder how it would even work.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Klostersgirl for this useful post:
  #36  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:22
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,201
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,931 Times in 3,153 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
I am hearing of British expats who are intending to head to the UK to get vaccinated. Doesn't sound right to me and I wonder how it would even work.
Actually I think it might, on the basis that you donít need an NHS Number and they are even encouraging illegal immigrants to get vaccinated with no repercussions.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #37  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:23
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,719
Groaned at 1,283 Times in 858 Posts
Thanked 20,188 Times in 7,778 Posts
Chuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Meanwhile, here in "efficient, well run, well organized (smirk)" Switzerland we have vaccinated 482k people.

It's not really a surprise when you look at the idiots in Bern in the Swiss Federal Council. Chief idiot Simonetta Sommaruga "trained as a pianist before studying English and Romance languages....a degree she didn't even finish." (wikipedia). I guess to be expected when your country is run by people with no private sector experience!

Simonetta Sommaruga - trained as a piano player
Ueli Maurer - farmer
Alain Berset - career lecturer/politician
Guy Parmelin - wine grower
Ignazio Cassis - went to med school (the only educated one amongst them)
Viola Amherd - public sector lawyer and career politician
Karin Keller-Sutter - career lecturer/politician

Amazing that a country as rich as Switzerland didn't have the foresight to use that wealth to purchase enough vaccines ahead of other nations. But when you look at the people in charge (zero private sector experience) it's not really a surprise at all.
It's hilarious that you are praising Britain's vaccination program but not criticizing the fact that its overall handling of the pandemic was a disaster with one of the worst death rates worldwide. Selective logic, eh?

Not to mention British political elite are known for being super wealthy with high levels of corruption and scandal. Can you really say the same for Switzerland in comparison? The political landscape here is WAY better than the punch and judy show that is UK two-party politics. Switzerland in comparison is an actual functioning democracy, as proven by the list of politicians that you made who by your own admission were mostly not of the politically and socially groomed elite

Last edited by Chuff; 15.02.2021 at 11:35.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Chuff for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:42
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,494
Groaned at 11 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 1,482 Times in 648 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
It's hilarious that you are praising Britain's vaccination program but not criticizing the fact that its overall handling of the pandemic was a disaster with one of the worst death rates worldwide. Selective logic, eh?

Not to mention British political elite are known for being super wealthy with high levels of corruption and scandal. Can you really say the same for Switzerland in comparison? The political landscape here is WAY better than the punch and judy show that is UK two-party politics. Switzerland in comparison is an actual functioning democracy, as proven by the list of politicians that you made who by your own admission were mostly not of the politically and socially groomed elite
While the British handling of the pandemic to date was appalling - the Swiss wasn't that much better.... That said, the vaccine is really the only thing that will allow us to move on. COVID won't just disappear, at least not in the next 2-3 years.

Which means, that the only way to allow the economy (and people) to move on, is mass vaccination. Get to a stage where the numbers of hospitalized people is manageable, and then we can treat covid just like any seasonal flu.

It's truly appalling how disorganized the Swiss approach has been to the vaccination program... some cantons allow you register, some don't. My elderly mother (high risk group for several reasons), has been told that may in March or April there will be a vaccine, despite being registered for a while in Aargau. In my case, who knows.

I reckon it would be faster to temporarily move to the UK, register as a resident and get the first dose than wait for the Swiss response...
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Spinal for this useful post:
  #39  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:50
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,719
Groaned at 1,283 Times in 858 Posts
Thanked 20,188 Times in 7,778 Posts
Chuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
While the British handling of the pandemic to date was appalling - the Swiss wasn't that much better.... That said, the vaccine is really the only thing that will allow us to move on. COVID won't just disappear, at least not in the next 2-3 years.

Which means, that the only way to allow the economy (and people) to move on, is mass vaccination. Get to a stage where the numbers of hospitalized people is manageable, and then we can treat covid just like any seasonal flu.

It's truly appalling how disorganized the Swiss approach has been to the vaccination program... some cantons allow you register, some don't. My elderly mother (high risk group for several reasons), has been told that may in March or April there will be a vaccine, despite being registered for a while in Aargau. In my case, who knows.

I reckon it would be faster to temporarily move to the UK, register as a resident and get the first dose than wait for the Swiss response...
I am not saying the Swiss response to COVID or its vaccination efofrts are good, I am saying the vitriol from the OP is unjustified when specifically comparing Switzerland vs the UK in most meaningful respects.

Vaccination is the only thing the UK is doing right and Europe in general is way behind on vaccination targets, not just Switzerland.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 15.02.2021, 11:51
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 3,891
Groaned at 56 Times in 54 Posts
Thanked 5,259 Times in 2,457 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

Quote:
View Post
Anyone else think we have been spammed by a drive-by troll?
Quite probably a troll and an ignorant one. As far as I know farms and cultivating grapes for wine are private sector activities in CH. Or did I miss the expropriation of land in CH? Maybe I should drink less

Also people forget we're running an ultramarathon, not a 100m sprint. Whatever statistic can make X or Y policy look good, only to go down in flames a few months later.

I guess our troll is a scared kid that needs papa to tell him that everything's gonna be alright. That there's a proven strategy and we are certain about it. In reality, no one knows, stop the futile quest for certainty.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Immigrants target road tankers Sbrinz International affairs/politics 0 01.04.2015 15:16
300m target shooting Phil_MCR Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 41 25.11.2011 12:11
Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters panda Swiss politics/news 109 12.05.2011 17:18
Target Practice Maple Lady Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 1 01.02.2011 16:17
WikiLeaks' next target: 'A big U.S. bank' Florida99 International affairs/politics 5 01.12.2010 14:10


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:35.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0