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Re: UK hits 15,000,000 vaccination target

At the moment in CH we are only hearing about vaccination missing and not about internal logistic issues (i.e. administering the vaccine, sign ups etc).

I wonder what will happen when the vaccine actually comes?

For the vaccine roll out, Federalism is not on our side and I think the government should have taken over instead of each canton coming up with own rules, sign up process etc. Imagine each Kanton having a task force to think through these matters and comming to highly similar conclusions? What a waste of resources. This should have been done centrally with the Kantons focusing on the logistics of internal distribution and administration.

Overall however I find it hard to believe that "we are still on track". Aim was to vaccinate tens of thousands a day. We did 500'000 in 6 weeks. I don't know how we will be able to ramp up to the roughly 60K a day we will need to complete by August. I think it's time we admitted we will not manage so that people can come to terms with it.
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Overall however I find it hard to believe that "we are still on track". Aim was to vaccinate tens of thousands a day. We did 500'000 in 6 weeks. I don't know how we will be able to ramp up to the roughly 60K a day we will need to complete by August. I think it's time we admitted we will not manage so that people can come to terms with it.

6 weeks, 7 days/week = 42 days
42 days x 10,000 = 420,000



So technically, we are vaccinating "tens of thousands" per day (especially if they don't do Sundays).


Devils advocate aside, we cannot admit that it will be another year before we have a vast majority vaccinated.



Imagine telling restaurant owners it will be another year before they don't need to fear being shut down on a weekly basis? Or gyms. Or shops. Or anything else really...


The summer tourist season will be a moot point if we don't get our act together (not just in CH, but abroad as well).


The only real hope for the economy recovering is mass vaccination... and we are stuck with politicians playing blame games...
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Old 16.02.2021, 09:09
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6 weeks, 7 days/week = 42 days
42 days x 10,000 = 420,000



So technically, we are vaccinating "tens of thousands" per day (especially if they don't do Sundays).


Devils advocate aside, we cannot admit that it will be another year before we have a vast majority vaccinated.



Imagine telling restaurant owners it will be another year before they don't need to fear being shut down on a weekly basis? Or gyms. Or shops. Or anything else really...


The summer tourist season will be a moot point if we don't get our act together (not just in CH, but abroad as well).


The only real hope for the economy recovering is mass vaccination... and we are stuck with politicians playing blame games...
Neuchâtel has been doing around 700 a day without the third vaccination centre which is due to open next week and we’re one of the smaller cantons so 60000 vaccines a day across Switzerland should be easily possible if the supplies are there.

Whether it will happen or not remains to be seen but as you say they are trying to offer hope to all the people whose businesses have suffered badly during this pandemic.

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Old 16.02.2021, 09:13
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No. But the first dose is a vast percentage of the total protection of the two doses, hence rolling it out to as many people as possible is superior to double dosing as many as possible.

The UK second vaccinations will start in earnest in March after the 65 plus and poorly population has all had a single dose. By then deaths resulting from new infections should be hugely reduced.
The Pfizer vaccine offers 33% protection with a single dose. I have not seen a single government statement confirming scheduling of the second dose. Denmark has the best record for full vaccination.
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In NE we have also been told that the second dose on time will happen.
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The UK doing something competently is a bit like a broken clock showing the correct time.
Good timing then for the broken clock to "work".
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In NE we have also been told that the second dose on time will happen.
The watch makers insisted on this.
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The UK doing something competently is a bit like a broken clock showing the correct time.
I always consider organising things to be a strong suite for the UK, I don't know why; maybe it has something to do with the way they politely stand queues or at least used too.

I must confess I have surprised by the lack lustre response here in Switzerland to getting people immunised. Oddly I read that they are just kicking off a mass testing effort in VD, which would have made sense six months ago, but now maybe a mass vaccination might be a better plan.

The two countries that seem to setting the gold standard on this are Israel and the UAE. Israel is at around 70% of the populations and UAE 50% and the UK third in the race at 25%.

Israel has the populations about the same size as Switzerland, although as a country it is far smaller [less land, more crowded].
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The watch makers insisted on this.
Interesting - do you have a link to that effect? The Médecin Cantonal indicates that was always their plan to reserve doses for second jab.
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Interesting - do you have a link to that effect? The Médecin Cantonal indicates that was always their plan to reserve doses for second jab.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
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Old 16.02.2021, 13:46
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The Pfizer vaccine offers 33% protection with a single dose. I have not seen a single government statement confirming scheduling of the second dose. Denmark has the best record for full vaccination.
33% of what?

33% lower probability of infection?

Or it protects 33% of people who take it?
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15,000,000 may have had their first dose but how many have had the second?
As of yesterday evening, 539,630

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
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Old 16.02.2021, 13:52
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I always consider organising things to be a strong suite for the UK, I don't know why; maybe it has something to do with the way they politely stand queues or at least used too.

I must confess I have surprised by the lack lustre response here in Switzerland to getting people immunised. Oddly I read that they are just kicking off a mass testing effort in VD, which would have made sense six months ago, but now maybe a mass vaccination might be a better plan.

The two countries that seem to setting the gold standard on this are Israel and the UAE. Israel is at around 70% of the populations and UAE 50% and the UK third in the race at 25%.

Israel has the populations about the same size as Switzerland, although as a country it is far smaller [less land, more crowded].
The dudes in Forum last night (rts2) said those who aren't at risk but want to get vaxed (ie. last priority group) will get a chance in the summer.. I can't remember if it was for VD, romandie part or the whole CH.
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Interesting - do you have a link to that effect? The Médecin Cantonal indicates that was always their plan to reserve doses for second jab.
I think he was being sarcastic.

It has always been the plan in Neuchâtel and the second dose is systematically put aside for everyone who has had the first which earned them a bit of stick initially as they appeared on paper to be not using their allocated doses. Later vindicated when the delivery delays came along.

As far as I’m aware the AZ vaccine is the only one with published data relating to the increased spacing of the vaccines. I haven’t found anything relating to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines which are the two approved for use here at the moment.
Without evidence of efficacy Swissmedic won’t allow any deviation from the vaccine administration protocols set out by the manufacturers so Switzerland won’t be changing anything for the moment.
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The dudes in Forum last night (rts2) said those who aren't at risk but want to get vaxed (ie. last priority group) will get a chance in the summer.. I can't remember if it was for VD, romandie part or the whole CH.
Yes they keep on saying that but doing so would require a massive ramp up. I believe once the vaccine does come then we will run into other logistics issues. Personally I have given up hope to be vaccinated before 2022 as a non at risk relatively young adult. I do hope to be proven wrong....
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The Pfizer vaccine offers 33% protection with a single dose. I have not seen a single government statement confirming scheduling of the second dose. Denmark has the best record for full vaccination.
Or 90%. Depends which study you decide as the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-after-21-days
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Yes they keep on saying that but doing so would require a massive ramp up. I believe once the vaccine does come then we will run into other logistics issues. Personally I have given up hope to be vaccinated before 2022 as a non at risk relatively young adult. I do hope to be proven wrong....
Well, I hope they will be kinder to teachers. That said, I read up last night on Sweden just stopping temporarily AZ vax of their health staff due to secondary effects (100 out of 400 medical professionals reported mid to severe 2ndary symptoms - headaches, fevers, shivers) because a lot of them had to take time off and it affected the numbers of staff present. FR, Germany and Danmark apparently reporting some bad reactions of health staff too. So. I'm ok waiting for now. CZ only: https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/zahranic...zahranicni_jhr
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Or 90%. Depends which study you decide as the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-after-21-days
ok ironically, some truth. a proper survey published in the lancet based on israeli data (where they are well ahead vaccine wise). 85% protection after one dose:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...finds-12222164
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Meanwhile, here in "efficient, well run, well organized (smirk)" Switzerland we have vaccinated 482k people.

It's not really a surprise when you look at the idiots in Bern in the Swiss Federal Council. Chief idiot Simonetta Sommaruga "trained as a pianist before studying English and Romance languages....a degree she didn't even finish." (wikipedia). I guess to be expected when your country is run by people with no private sector experience!

Simonetta Sommaruga - trained as a piano player
Ueli Maurer - farmer
Alain Berset - career lecturer/politician
Guy Parmelin - wine grower
Ignazio Cassis - went to med school (the only educated one amongst them)
Viola Amherd - public sector lawyer and career politician
Karin Keller-Sutter - career lecturer/politician

Amazing that a country as rich as Switzerland didn't have the foresight to use that wealth to purchase enough vaccines ahead of other nations. But when you look at the people in charge (zero private sector experience) it's not really a surprise at all.
Hilarious.
Maybe if we didn't get the "improved" (20 times more contagious) British variant of the virus the pace of mass vaccination would have been quite acceptable...btw this new variant is already dominant in many places......if I were you I wouldn't criticise CH or any other country for this reason.
You know, throwing stones from a house of glass and all that.....

But don't worry, I'm just saying. It's futile to play the whole blame game now, as it was the first time around.
The Swiss and everyone else will do what they can, obviously.
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