Indeed!

As individuals we can never be totally objective . But wherever a large number of different individuals with different points of view come together and are free to advocate and exchange these points of view, the market for ideas as a whole becomes somewhat objective .

I actually do not think that the concept of objectiviy exists without comparing with somedy else and his idea of his objectivity. So being objective, as an individual, is a bit of a moot, from normative or epistemological povs.

So - maybe one can be loyal, to certain degree, to trying to be objective within particular individually and consciously selected criteria...for a bunch of scenarios. But that would be grounding, not really "objective". Grounding is always a matter of potentially more than one perspective.

I think it is safer/more exact to accept some relativity, and not go too far, but I certainly know that "objective" is always a matter of data interpretation, ie by me, you, Urs, etc. Not the actual existence of data. The acceptance of plurality of interpretations.

Now, I am pretty subjectively pleased at this detour, since the thread's theme on UK vaxing kinda rubs in the sloth vax progress here and elsewhere.

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If you scroll down he did exactly that, with the caveat of there not being mass testing first time around

AFAIK there isn't mass testing now either. We don't have a clue how many people may already have been infected without even knowing

I mean anyone who wants a test can get one same day and have the results by about midnight

Don't believe that at all. Lowest take up is in London and the inner cities. Remain territory. Take up in rural and suburban England is not far off 100%.

But it's not really obviously correlating with Brexit views (take up in white affluent Lib Dem places similar to white Tory brexity places). Unfortunately what is correlating with is ethnicity. ethnic minorities (especially blacks) are refusing in vastly bigger numbers than whites.

Take up in the over 80s:

White - 93%
South Asian - 76%
Other - 73%
Mixed - 71%
Black - 61%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ealth-56162075

We've got something like 7m adults, let's say 6.5M want to get vaccinated in the end - 13 M doses. Second doses would be done in August.

You are either being intentionally misleading or did not really read the article o which you provided a link. Instead, it looks like you just read the headline.

The article actually stated that people who voted for the Brexit party (now the reform party), or the Green party at the 2019 general election were the least willing to take the vaccine.

There is no mention at all of the Brexit referendum vote or of the voters who voted for leaving the EU in this vote.

Where, when?

How many is a horde?

Certainly not enough to change a vote.

Tom

Maths has never been the other posters strong point, she should have listened more at school.

The vaccine rollout in the UK is already looking like it's reaping rewards. Cases, hospitalizations and deaths all falling dramatically, at the current rate the UK is going to hit double figures death rate within a couple of weeks. Under these circumstances it's hard to see how they can't accelerate reopening the country.

I can't help but feel that people are linking the first dose of the vaccine to the reopening date, rather than the second dose.

Is you consider the 3-months between doses (in the UK), the dates make perfect sense...

On the face of it, that could easily be interpreted so. I'm no lockdown fan, but I think the phased cautious approach is the way forward. I'd love the reopening to be brought forward, but just don't see it.

There's still huge debate about what the triggers/vectors for outbreaks are so I think reopening things in phases help identify what/where the triggers are. Now there's a "roadmap", at least people can get behind it.

I think Boris is holding as much back as much as he can until after Easter to give as much of a buffer as possible and allow more vaccinations to take place.

Additionally, it looks like the Brazilian variant, which is now in the U.K. due to a quarantine failure, can re-infect people who previously had the disease. They are also not sure of the effectiveness of the current vaccines with this variant.

Exercising caution would be prudent.

Wow, UK deaths down 41% in one week!! The vaccine really appears to be a game changer! Cases too, dropping through the floor. I've been very critical of the UK government over their pandemic handling, but credit where it's due, the vaccine rollout (as well as the decision to focus on the first dose) really seems to be paying dividends.

By comparison, much of the rest of Europe appears to be experiencing what looks like a third wave. Really hoping Switzerland can get her act in order with the vaccine rollout!

That's where the willingness to get vaccinated comes into play. With only 60% willing as per the Tagesanzeiger poll the difference is rather significant.
Is it certain it's the distance between the doses, rather than the time the body had to react to them?

Put another way, is there a significant difference in immunity between the two procedures if measurement of immunity starts ~4 months after the first shot for both procedures?

I read the other day that the UK is aiming to be able to give 1mio vaccines per day, which is truly impressive...

On the more annoying front, I was looking at BAG guidance, which still has the UK in the high risk countries from the 22nd March onwards, despite cases plummeting...

In fact, if I read right, the UK has less that a third of new cases (per 100,000) than Switzerland does! This is particularly impressive, as I understand from family that they are mass testing in schools (the kids get tested twice a week), meaning that there are substantially more tests done in the UK and in CH... and yet still substantially lower numbers.

Scotland are already talking of opening up the country early April.

Booked my UK jab for Sunday when I'm home again this weekend. Lovely.

I really need to go to the UK... but the 10-day quarantine on both sides is a bit... problematic...