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Midfield, I dont want to convince you to believe how the lockdowns are useless .. it's up to you to find it out yourself..

If you think how for.a virus with a 99%survival rate.. we had to do a lockdown ,then ok. If you think how it's also logical that Sweden didnt do any lockdowns or masks.. and it's all good (yet they did have covid cases) , then ,that's fine.

In fact, I think it's even great for people to believe into what they've been told is right .. and see no need to connect the dots or point at ridiculous information that's been served.
This way you will preserve your mental health and even paranoid and scared is better than what us, other people have to go through .
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Old 23.02.2021, 16:07
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Midfield, I dont want to convince you to believe how the lockdowns are useless .. it's up to you to find it out yourself..

If you think how for.a virus with a 99%survival rate.. we had to do a lockdown ,then ok. If you think how it's also logical that Sweden didnt do any lockdowns or masks.. and it's all good (yet they did have covid cases) , then ,that's fine.

In fact, I think it's even great for people to believe into what they've been told is right .. and see no need to connect the dots or point at ridiculous information that's been served.
This way you will preserve your mental health and even paranoid and scared is better than what us, other people have to go through .
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why are the lockdowns "useless"?

what do you think we could have learned from Sweden?

what do you think of the NZ approach?
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1) Who benefits?
2) How can such a global conspiracy be kept secret?

TTLY, the 1% of the population

From what I've learned , and what's been told to us (they're not even hiding it , I was listening to some interesting talks that were done 2wks ago at the World economic forum in davos) , this new reset is done, because :

The plan is to destroy the economy and create another one.. With this, they want to change the way we live our lives . In China, they have the social credit system , in our western civilisation it's much more difficult to install something like that, so that's why we're going though a shock therapy .. While they tell you how the virus will kill you, stay home, no cinema, no friends, no weddings, no travel.. they've been changing lot of laws, one of them is how these new sanitary restrictions will enter the Common law... as well as digitalised papers, (your file being accesible at any time by whoever) ..etc etc..

Installing the Digital Yuan in the second phase but in the first one, cashless society ..
Very low or no ownership .. etc

they even openly are advertising it and selling it to us

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Old 23.02.2021, 16:24
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1) Who benefits?
2) How can such a global conspiracy be kept secret?

TTLY, the 1% of the population

From what I've learned , and what's been told to us (they're not even hiding it , I was listening to some interesting talks that were done 2wks ago at the World economic forum in davos) , this new reset is done, because :

The plan is to destroy the economy and create another one.. With this, they want to change the way we live our lives . In China, they have the social credit system , in our western civilisation it's much more difficult to install something like that, so that's why we're going though a shock therapy .. While they tell you how the virus will kill you, stay home, no cinema, no friends, no weddings, no travel.. they've been changing lot of laws, one of them is how these new sanitary restrictions will enter the Common law... as well as digitalised papers, (your file being accesible at any time by whoever) ..etc etc..

Installing the Digital Yuan in the second phase but in the first one, cashless society ..
Very low or no ownership .. etc

they even openly are advertising it and selling it to us

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Who is "they"?

The thing is - for you to connect certain info doesn't automatically means that whoever "they" are wouldn't plan on people like you, realizing the connections. I think the ultimate flaw of conspirationalists is the fact that they think they are invisible or not part of this potential master scheme. If there is some scheme, it is smarter than you or doesn't care that you realize it. All that Chinese government is feeding to people is a version of giant scheme, as you can see for yourself, the few who show protest don't matter in the large perspective and the system has a way to keep them just visible enough to give deterrent example.
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Old 23.02.2021, 16:31
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All that Chinese government is feeding to people is a version of giant scheme, as you can see for yourself, the few who show protest don't matter in the large perspective and the system has a way to keep them just enough visible.

Interestingly whatever happened to protests in Hong Kong Well China the state definitely benefited from the Pandemic to some extent.
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1) Who benefits?
2) How can such a global conspiracy be kept secret?

TTLY, the 1% of the population

From what I've learned , and what's been told to us (they're not even hiding it , I was listening to some interesting talks that were done 2wks ago at the World economic forum in davos) , this new reset is done, because :

The plan is to destroy the economy and create another one.. With this, they want to change the way we live our lives . In China, they have the social credit system , in our western civilisation it's much more difficult to install something like that, so that's why we're going though a shock therapy .. While they tell you how the virus will kill you, stay home, no cinema, no friends, no weddings, no travel.. they've been changing lot of laws, one of them is how these new sanitary restrictions will enter the Common law... as well as digitalised papers, (your file being accesible at any time by whoever) ..etc etc..

Installing the Digital Yuan in the second phase but in the first one, cashless society ..
Very low or no ownership .. etc

they even openly are advertising it and selling it to us

[IMG]https://miro.medium.com/max/1280/1*2qwOS5TTu5-JAp66B_9E4Q.jpeg[/IMG]
I am actually one of "they". I can confirm that FairDinkum is right. We were all bored on an Friday afternoon and came up with the idea of a kind of global Trueman Show. From there, it got a bit out of control. I hope the show will be good but at least we made a lot of money with toilet paper.
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Old 23.02.2021, 16:43
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Interestingly whatever happened to protests in Hong Kong Well China the state definitely benefited from the Pandemic to some extent.
would that not have happened anyway without corona? China tightening its grip on HK
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Old 23.02.2021, 16:47
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would that not have happened anyway without corona? China tightening its grip on HK
Yes, it would have. Feel sorry for HK.
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I am actually one of "they". I can confirm that FairDinkum is right. We were all bored on an Friday afternoon and came up with the idea of a kind of global Trueman Show. From there, it got a bit out of control. I hope the show will be good but at least we made a lot of money with toilet paper.
We all are. The only thing that powers anyone trying to hack your life for their own benefit, is your own recognisible weakness that can be used by this hack. Nothing else. So if people get excited about recognising some complot, they actually forget that they themselves have been contributing to it for decades. Just because somebody recognises something doesn't take them out of the equasion. China is only successful because it plays into people's ways. So did Trump. I don't know that many ethical societies that wouldn't abuse their access to manipulation through some kind of vices that we all have. So for some to think that they are better/smarter because they all of a sudden connected a few dots left by those who don't care much about this discovery and are smarter than those detectives..Maybe I am too cynical or stoic, but the hypocrisy is obvious and unless we confront our vices, nothing changes. The vice of the conspirationalists is that they think they are more clever than the average person, while it doesn't matter. The schemers were faster. Anyone can look back and understand. Only some can look ahead and expect.
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so do you think these lockdowns are a conspiracy? what would you have done otherwise to fight the Covid threat to lives?
We could have stopped the virus from being developed in the first place. Some people actually tried, which is why they moved the development to Wuhan as it was banned in the U.S.
Look at who invested into Wuhan. Follow the money, not the media.

Also: Bill Gates

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Old 23.02.2021, 17:00
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Midfield, I dont want to convince you to believe how the lockdowns are useless .. it's up to you to find it out yourself..

If you think how for.a virus with a 99%survival rate.. we had to do a lockdown ,then ok. If you think how it's also logical that Sweden didnt do any lockdowns or masks.. and it's all good (yet they did have covid cases) , then ,that's fine.

In fact, I think it's even great for people to believe into what they've been told is right .. and see no need to connect the dots or point at ridiculous information that's been served.
This way you will preserve your mental health and even paranoid and scared is better than what us, other people have to go through .
For Sweden, it was more than "yet they did have COVID cases" - in fact, they had more deaths per million than Switzerland.

Actually, according to independent measures Sweden had one of the highest levels of government restrictions, certainly higher than Switzerland, the facts are here just to help you from spreading misinformation.
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Old 23.02.2021, 17:15
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We could have stopped the virus from being developed in the first place. Some people actually tried, which is why they moved the development to Wuhan as it was banned in the U.S.
Look at who invested into Wuhan. Follow the money, not the media.

Also: Bill Gates

Why is he the happiest little button in the playground when all the other kids are sad?
Thanks, who developed C19 and how could we have stopped it? Who invested in Wuhan and who will profit from this?

What about Bill Gates?
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Actually, according to independent measures Sweden had one of the highest levels of government restrictions, certainly higher than Switzerland
that' why they providing "recommendations" instead of direct orders
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Midfield, I dont want to convince you to believe how the lockdowns are useless .. it's up to you to find it out yourself..

If you think how for.a virus with a 99%survival rate.. we had to do a lockdown ,then ok. If you think how it's also logical that Sweden didnt do any lockdowns or masks.. and it's all good (yet they did have covid cases) , then ,that's fine.

In fact, I think it's even great for people to believe into what they've been told is right .. and see no need to connect the dots or point at ridiculous information that's been served.
This way you will preserve your mental health and even paranoid and scared is better than what us, other people have to go through .
FairDinkum, why are lockdowns useless?
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that' why they providing "recommendations" instead of direct orders
Unbelievable that people still believe that Sweden has/had stronger lockdown measures than Switzerland because they read it somewhere on the internet
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Unbelievable that people still believe that Sweden has/had stronger lockdown measures than Switzerland because they read it somewhere on the internet
Unbelievable that people ignore facts that clash with their false beliefs.
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Unbelievable that people ignore facts that clash with their false beliefs.
Unbelievable that some trying to prove "facts" about Sweden, sitting somewhere outside Sweden to someone, who actually currently located in Sweden
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Unbelievable that some trying to prove "facts" about Sweden, sitting somewhere outside Sweden to someone, who actually currently located in Sweden
Someone currently located in Sweden is able to compare the conditions with other countries
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Unbelievable that some trying to prove "facts" about Sweden, sitting somewhere outside Sweden to someone, who actually currently located in Sweden
As you are located there then you probably already know this?
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Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told a news conference. "We can avoid the third wave if we keep a distance. The situation in Sweden is serious, we have a high spread of infection and it is increasing. New restrictions will be announced shortly"

It said all sports competitions below the elite level, and for children born before 2006, would be suspended indefinitely.

Sweden registered 5,371 new cases on Wednesday, the highest daily increase since early January.
Last week,"Sweden has warned about lockdowns, that it could be forced to shut down shopping centres, restaurants, gyms and swimming pools as it attempts to ward off a third wave.

Those who break Swedish coronavirus rules could also be fined £170 in the first serious penalty for violating restrictions, the government announced.
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I have stated this or at least alluded to this before but to reiterate: no knows how many have been infected with COVID, as a certain % of the population seem to have some innate immunity (whether this is driven by T3 cell immunity, blood type or previous inoculations - Who the heck knows as it is too early to say.)

Regarding lockdowns however, I am not claiming conspiracy but what I am stating is that the long term effects from lockdowns will be extensive/pervasive for our progeny and those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities. Governments have chosen to protect two groups in the populace namely: elderly (actually governments' initial isolation policy backfired and the some!) and those with co-morbidities - to the detriment of the majority of the population.

The goal posts keep shifting! First, lockdowns were put into place as to not overwhelm hospitals and now we have to eradicate the virus entirely or we won't be safe Umm, sorry, this virus is not going away anytime soon. What about influenza and flu shots we are urged to take annually as the influenza virus also mutates each year! Who knew?!!

Now good ole Dr. Fauci is stating that "double masks" are necessary and even AFTER, one gets vaccinated, masks are still necessary as is "social distancing".

What a complete joke!

And you wonder why many believe in conspiracy theories with the prevalent WHO/CDC lunacy running amok? Why would ANYONE get a vaccine if we would still have to wear masks and suffer some form of lockdown/social distancing going forward?

Makes zero sense. This COVID virus is harmful to a very small percentage of the population. But, I guess some will comply and do anything their government mandates and never question if maybe just maybe, something is amiss here.
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