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I have stated this or at least alluded to this before but to reiterate: no knows how many have been infected with COVID, as a certain % of the population seem to have some innate immunity (whether this is driven by T3 cell immunity, blood type or previous inoculations - Who the heck knows as it is too early to say.)

Regarding lockdowns however, I am not claiming conspiracy but what I am stating is that the long term effects from lockdowns will be extensive/pervasive for our progeny and those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities. Governments have chosen to protect two groups in the populace namely: elderly (actually governments' initial isolation policy backfired and the some!) and those with co-morbidities - to the detriment of the majority of the population.

The goal posts keep shifting! First, lockdowns were put into place as to not overwhelm hospitals and now we have to eradicate the virus entirely or we won't be safe Umm, sorry, this virus is not going away anytime soon. What about influenza and flu shots we are urged to take annually as the influenza virus also mutates each year! Who knew?!!

Now good ole Dr. Fauci is stating that "double masks" are necessary and even AFTER, one gets vaccinated, masks are still necessary as is "social distancing".

What a complete joke!

And you wonder why many believe in conspiracy theories with the prevalent WHO/CDC lunacy running amok? Why would ANYONE get a vaccine if we would still have to wear masks and suffer some form of lockdown/social distancing going forward?

Makes zero sense. This COVID virus is harmful to a very small percentage of the population. But, I guess some will comply and do anything their government mandates and never question if maybe just maybe, something is amiss here.
About " Why would ANYONE get a vaccine if we would still have to wear masks and suffer some form of lockdown/social distancing going forward?"

Well, there are still some weirdos who believe that dying or spending weeks in ICU with tubes in your chest is worse than wearing a mask; can you believe that?
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Covid+ ? Is this like a new iPhone?
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About " Why would ANYONE get a vaccine if we would still have to wear masks and suffer some form of lockdown/social distancing going forward?"

Well, there are still some weirdos who believe that dying or spending weeks in ICU with tubes in your chest is worse than wearing a mask; can you believe that?
Wow Marton! You completely miss my point. What are the odds of those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities in "ICU with tubes in their chests"? Can you give me data on that as I am curious? Statistically speaking, the odds are extremely low for those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities who suffer complications which require hospitalization let alone death.

As a reference, a mask is fine but 2 masks?? And then for Fauci to state that even after the majority are vaccinated, social distancing and masks are still warranted? Once again..What a farce/joke!
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Covid+ ? Is this like a new iPhone?
The iterations keep changing
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Old 24.02.2021, 22:11
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Just to be clear, I have no opinion just questions. If there is really some low or high level conspiracy then the questions I have are-

1) Who benefits?
2) How can such a global conspiracy be kept secret?
3) Which country has benefited financially and politically most from this pandemic?
4) How can medical researchers and scientists be controlled so thoroughly?
I don't how long I've got before this information is removed, but I'll answer your questions.

1) It's not ZOG, but it is <the rest of this message has been deleted by a moderator>.
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i don't how long i've got before this information is removed, but i'll answer your questions.

1) it's not zog, but it is <the rest of this message has been deleted by a moderator>.
lol
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Btw, it is time to stop blaming Bill Gates for covid. He is clearly into snow and climate conspiracy these days.
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Old 24.02.2021, 22:41
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Wow Marton! You completely miss my point. What are the odds of those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities in "ICU with tubes in their chests"? Can you give me data on that as I am curious? Statistically speaking, the odds are extremely low for those under the age of 65 with no co-morbidities who suffer complications which require hospitalization let alone death.

As a reference, a mask is fine but 2 masks?? And then for Fauci to state that even after the majority are vaccinated, social distancing and masks are still warranted? Once again..What a farce/joke!
So now you are backing down?
Your question was "Why would ANYONE get a vaccine"

Now you define "ANYONE" as not including people over 65 and not including people under 65 with comorbidities; so now we are looking at a much smaller group of "ANYONE".

Here is a graphic from France of COVID cases in ICU by age that you requested, I am not sure of the relevance.
Of course, another reason to take the vaccine is to help stop spreading the virus but, I assume, you do not care about that social side and are more worried you will have to wear a mask than the risk of infecting your relatives and your friends. Or maybe you think it is anywaytime for your aged relatives to walk the rainbow bridge?

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I am watching this right now, in German-

Corona vaccination: disaster or blessing? | The largest vaccination campaign in Switzerland | Reportage | SRF DOK

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So while they keep us locked inside, the whole economy is just about to get destroyed (hospitality , tourism, culture..etc ,the nonessential) they're preparing something new , a new concept , new world. unfortunately for us not it will not be a progress , rather something like neo-feudalism.. So, there will not be cheap flights to tenerife or porto but you can go from basel to zh and get through 4 checkpoints 3 tests ( new jobs emerging) . This is what they are preparing and they even have the audacity to tell us that while at the same time they keep us shut making each one of us -guilty- of murder if we open our mouth and breathe and say "hey what's this c**p" .
They!!!! - You know it's a conspiracy theory when you see this word being sprayed indiscriminately.
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This thread, tl;dr.

One of my neighbours was convinced lockdown was a sinister gov't control plot. Until his adult son who had been obeying none of the rules gave the whole family covid 19. Then they got a police warning for breaking rules etc.

Folk need to find other hobbies. And maybe get out in the fresh air...

Also, karma is a bitch.
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Old 25.02.2021, 11:29
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There is false news doing the rounds on social media concerning a Nobel-prize winning Japanese scientists. I am not going to promote the false news here by repeating it, but post a link to the scientist‘s rebuttal:

https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...an-made-claim/
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There is false news doing the rounds on social media concerning a Nobel-prize winning Japanese scientists. I am not going to promote the false news here by repeating it, but post a link to the scientist‘s rebuttal:

https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...an-made-claim/
He has refuted any links. Then it must be true
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I get all kinds of messages from people, ranging from "Praying will protect you" to "Sucking on lemon will make me immune"


Regarding "Man Made" virus, I don't think anyone can be 100% sure (at least no one on EF). If the virus was influenced by humans directly then the question is, was it leaked intentionally or unintentionally and by whom?
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Regarding "Man Made" virus, I don't think anyone can be 100% sure
This sort of passive acceptance of some of the more out-there claims really annoys me.

There is no evidence, none whatsoever, 0%, nada, nichts, aucune, effall, to suggest that the virus is man-made. So yes, I think we can all be 100% sure.

It's sad that so many otherwise neutral people don't seem to have the mindset to reject out of hand these madcap theories. If there is no evidence to support a theory, and especially when there is ample evidence to reject it, why on earth won't we say we're 100% sure that it's complete and utter hogwash?

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I get all kinds of messages from people, ranging from "Praying will protect you" to "Sucking on lemon will make me immune"

Regarding "Man Made" virus, I don't think anyone can be 100% sure (at least no one on EF). If the virus was influenced by humans directly then the question is, was it leaked intentionally or unintentionally and by whom?
No need to invent new viruses when the easiest is just to let people die of existing illness.

If someone wanted to reduce the number of humans, just look at untreated malaria and tuberculosis efficacy, it's a successful plan. Of course there's no plan, never assume malice when poverty is the issue.
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My reasoning is simple, do biological weapons exist? The depths to which humans can go has no limit.

That aside, if something mutates in nature or lab I don't know how anyone can be 100% sure? It does not have to be a virus created from scratch or created to wipe out the human population (COVID-19 is doing a bad job of killing anyway). What if someone discovered it while researching in some remote area. Then took the specimen to the lab to further research but later accidentally it got leaked in a populated area? Is that not possible?
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My reasoning is simple, do biological weapons exist? The depths to which humans can go has no limit.
That's not reasoning.

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Is that not possible?
Is it possible that I could walk out of my door, go up the ski lift, then ski down breaking all world speed records? Well yes, it's _possible_, but if I claimed that I had done so, without any evidence, I'd fully expect that 100% of people would be 100% sure that it didn't actually happen.

See what I'm getting at? The whole "prove it cannot happen or else accept that it could" approach is a complete nonsense, but it's used over and over again by CT nutters, and many otherwise (apparently) intelligent people seems to take the bait and start repeating it, just like you have, as if it's in some way a position to argue that there might be some merit to the theory.
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My reasoning is simple, do biological weapons exist? The depths to which humans can go has no limit.

That aside, if something mutates in nature or lab I don't know how anyone can be 100% sure? It does not have to be a virus created from scratch or created to wipe out the human population (COVID-19 is doing a bad job of killing anyway). What if someone discovered it while researching in some remote area. Then took the specimen to the lab to further research but later accidentally it got leaked in a populated area? Is that not possible?
Leaking a virus is not the same as "man-made".

Of course, there can be leaks. A lady died of smallpox in UK in 1978 that was believed to have so escaped. Such episodes are really, really rare.
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Leaking a virus is not the same as "man-made".

Of course, there can be leaks. A lady died of smallpox in UK in 1978 that was believed to have so escaped. Such episodes are really, really rare.

Yes, which is why "Man Made" was in quote
My wording was- "If the virus was influenced by humans directly then the question is, was it leaked intentionally or unintentionally and by whom?"
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