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Is it possible that I could walk out of my door, go up the ski lift, then ski down breaking all world speed records?

Sure, if you are talented and the time keeper is bent

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See what I'm getting at? The whole "prove it cannot happen or else accept that it could" approach is a complete nonsense, but it's used over and over again by CT nutters, and many otherwise (apparently) intelligent people seems to take the bait and start repeating it, just like you have, as if it's in some way a position to argue that there might be some merit to the theory.
Ok fair point, but the conspiracy thread does need feeding too
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Old 25.02.2021, 13:27
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Yes, which is why "Man Made" was in quote
My wording was- Regarding "Man Made" virus, I don't think anyone can be 100% sure.
"If the virus was influenced by humans directly then the question is, was it leaked intentionally or unintentionally and by whom?"
"Actually" you missed a sentence; I added it in bold to help you.
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"Actually" you missed a sentence; I added it in bold to help you.

Yes true, was not intentional. I had taken the "Man Made" part from AbFabs link headline, but I was thinking "influenced" in my head. Was an honest mistake.

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Nobel Laureate Tasuku Honjo Refutes Link To ‘Man-Made’ Coronavirus Claim

2018 Nobel laureate Tasuku Honjo has refuted any link to social media posts that claim the SARS-CoV-2 virus was ‘man-made’ or ‘invented’ in a lab
Read more from Asian Scientist Magazine at: https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...an-made-claim/
Nobel Laureate Tasuku Honjo Refutes Link To ‘Man-Made’ Coronavirus Claim Read more from Asian Scientist Magazine at: https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...an-made-claim/
Nobel Laureate Tasuku Honjo Refutes Link To ‘Man-Made’ Coronavirus Claim Read more from Asian Scientist Magazine at: https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/04/academia/nobel-laureate-tasuku-honjo-kyoto-university-coronavirus-man-made-claim/"
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They!!!! - You know it's a conspiracy theory when you see this word being sprayed indiscriminately.
Hah! That's what they want you to think.

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There is no evidence, none whatsoever, 0%, nada, nichts, aucune, effall, to suggest that the virus is man-made.
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So yes, I think we can all be 100% sure.
Not entirely accurate. The experts say, having reviewed the evidence, that it is far more likely to be a natural evolution than a lab escapee. (But John1853344 from Twitter knows better, so they must be lying).

As for being deliberately released into the wild, if you go down that rabbit hole, you're already in so deep into delusion it's hard to get out.
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Covid+ ? Is this like a new iPhone?
its better, improved Covid
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Nice to see that lot of you are evidence based rather than feelings based, but I am genuinely curious if you extend that same logic to religion/godly matters too?
Or is that kept in a separate drawer?
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Old 25.02.2021, 17:14
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Non-infectious?
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Old 25.02.2021, 17:29
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China Says It Never Asked U.S. Diplomats to Take Anal Swab Tests
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nal-swab-tests

Nothing screams hidden secret more than denying something no one asked you about
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Old 25.02.2021, 17:39
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China Says It Never Asked U.S. Diplomats to Take Anal Swab Tests
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nal-swab-tests

Nothing screams hidden secret more than denying something no one asked you about
Hidden? You mean somewhere where the sun does not shine?
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Non-infectious?
from virus POV, improving means better infectiousness
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Who is "they"?
Musichick, I was waiting for this. As well as other witty remarks like "yeah yeah sure, Bill wants to chip you so he can see when you're going to denner for the weekly specials..."

I totally agree how if someone , a group has a vicious plan they certainly wont make it visible to me , to us , commoners

At the same time, .. "they" , the elite, while they're having their bilderberg meetings, Word Economic Forum meetings , Bergruenn programme released .. and they were talking about how there's the need for the Grand Reset and the 4th industrial revolution and demographic changes as well as transhumanism, particularly AI , rfid chipping and lot of other interesting things.

All this, did seem how it's a plan for 2050 , something like "idea" for a plan... or how things should be..But, it turns out to be , it's not for 2050 but it is happening right now.

I completely understand how for people it's inconceivable to accept the idea how their 'own people' would create such a war, such a damage to us, to our cultural civilisation . And for ppl, who can accept and digest better the idea "no, no everything is ok. there's just a bad virus,.. if only these crazy mad conspiracy folks wouldnt be that stupid, everything would be just fine." I'd say go for it, life is for sure much easier to accept with under those parameters.
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Old 26.02.2021, 00:41
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I am actually one of "they".
Hello KandE ! arent you , oh little rascal

You see , it is cute to play the smart bum and I'm even sure, how you probably do indeed see yourself as "they" versus all those nutcases around who are criticising the elite . Yes K and E, you are the elite

Looking for the weekly aktion at aldi and lidli, trying to get the best bargain on easyjet ,then chat a bit on the EF and all that but yes you do belong to the 1% , sure .


Those ones, who are tailoring your mind, life, air, present and future are these guys
https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-billionaires

and yes, you can try to suck up to them, believe you're one of them and not one of us but ..guess what? they dont care about you , you're one big nothing to them , and you will never never ever join that club.. but yes, keep on fighting for their interests
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Hello KandE ! arent you , oh little rascal

You see , it is cute to play the smart bum and I'm even sure, how you probably do indeed see yourself as "they" versus all those nutcases around who are criticising the elite . Yes K and E, you are the elite

Looking for the weekly aktion at aldi and lidli, trying to get the best bargain on easyjet ,then chat a bit on the EF and all that but yes you do belong to the 1% , sure .


Those ones, who are tailoring your mind, life, air, present and future are these guyshttps://www.theguardian.com/business...s-billionaires

and yes, you can try to suck up to them, believe you're one of them and not one of us but ..guess what? they dont care about you , you're one big nothing to them , and you will never never ever join that club.. but yes, keep on fighting for their interests
paparazzi shot of THEY, courtesy of bagholder quotes on twitter


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... but I am genuinely curious if you extend that same logic to religion/godly matters too?...
Yes. William Clifford wrote about it in the "Ethics of belief". He came up with two principles:

(Clifford's Principle) “It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything on insufficient evidence.”

(Clifford's Other Principle) “It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to ignore evidence that is relevant to his beliefs, or to dismiss relevant evidence in a facile way.”


Full details here. If you like reading philosophy.
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In 1954, there was a movie about giant ants, the consequence of some mutation created in New Mexico.

The title of the movie was “Them”.

https://www.classic-monsters.com/the...brothers-1954/

Maybe that’s where “They” come from.

Plausible as the rest of the conspiracy theory
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In 1954, there was a movie about giant ants, the consequence of some mutation created in New Mexico.
You've just reminded me of one episode of Doctor Who that featured giant ants, oddly enough just about the size of a man dressed in an ant suit, which literally gave me nightmares as a kid. Thanks a bunch
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NotAllThere, nice try but sorry , you're simply not qualified for that mission

Because, If you did understand Clifford then the first thing that would come to your mind is how it works both ways . Which means you're in the same position as me even though we are at the opposite end .

I'm also referring to the Satz vom Grunde (the Principle of Sufficient Reason) starting from Leibnitz ...(the work of kant or schopenhauer on this also brings interesting twist to the PSR)
But to come back to our talk here, this is where it gets funny, because I'm stating a fact, how the elite (theyyyyy) made trillions during the 'virus year' in which we have the situation - all our economy just about to collapse , poverty ,misery , digital control, rfid needles, cashless society etc. and this all is a fact ..
But you , who I suppose believe how >> no, the elite is not getting together and deciding what is going to happen and tailor our society , no they're not pushing for this or that ... no they're not plotting againt the rest , no -way , in spite of the reality in front of your eyes or the facts .
Which means, if you even undertood 5% the works of Clifford, you'd realise it yourself, how you fail both at Moral and Epistemic evidentialism .

Of course, you can change that. Take into consideration both arguments and take it from there we'll see where that'll take you to .
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NotAllThere, nice try but sorry , you're simply not qualified for that mission

Because, If you did understand Clifford then the first thing that would come to your mind is how it works both ways . Which means you're in the same position as me even though we are at the opposite end .

I'm also referring to the Satz vom Grunde (the Principle of Sufficient Reason) starting from Leibnitz ...(the work of kant or schopenhauer on this also brings interesting twist to the PSR)
But to come back to our talk here, this is where it gets funny, because I'm stating a fact, how the elite (theyyyyy) made trillions during the 'virus year' in which we have the situation - all our economy just about to collapse , poverty ,misery , digital control, rfid needles, cashless society etc. and this all is a fact ..
But you , who I suppose believe how >> no, the elite is not getting together and deciding what is going to happen and tailor our society , no they're not pushing for this or that ... no they're not plotting againt the rest , no -way , in spite of the reality in front of your eyes or the facts .
Which means, if you even undertood 5% the works of Clifford, you'd realise it yourself, how you fail both at Moral and Epistemic evidentialism .

Of course, you can change that. Take into consideration both arguments and take it from there we'll see where that'll take you to .
It is obviously hopeless, time to surrender and to take another glass of wine.
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This just reminded me of the experiment with ANTS , both colonies of red and black live peacefully and in more or less harmony even though they have different way of functioning . Then , someone shakes the box, creates a huge "earthquake" , the earthuquake is over, and they start fighting like crazy ,red and black, for no reason because there's enough food and all but the "quake" caused them to think how the other one is their TRUE enemy. And they fight until they're down to survival (then things get better)


Same goes now here with us with the scaaary virus , we'll be fighting like stupid ants , just because someone can 'shake our box"


It's as old as our civilisation (this principe) , think about it
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But you , who I suppose believe how >> no, the elite is not getting together and deciding what is going to happen and tailor our society , no they're not pushing for this or that ... no they're not plotting againt the rest , no -way , in spite of the reality in front of your eyes or the facts .
Tailoring society is what dictators, religious leaders and similar sociopaths do. Enjoying their 700 year inherited wealth and securing it for the future generations is what the rich do. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-for-700-years

Of course, there are billionaires that also get into religion and politics, but a lot of them are quite busy minimizing their taxes.
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