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NotAllThere, nice try but sorry , you're simply not qualified for that mission

Because, If you did understand Clifford then the first thing that would come to your mind is how it works both ways . Which means you're in the same position as me even though we are at the opposite end .

I'm also referring to the Satz vom Grunde (the Principle of Sufficient Reason) starting from Leibnitz ...(the work of kant or schopenhauer on this also brings interesting twist to the PSR)
But to come back to our talk here, this is where it gets funny, because I'm stating a fact, how the elite (theyyyyy) made trillions during the 'virus year' in which we have the situation - all our economy just about to collapse , poverty ,misery , digital control, rfid needles, cashless society etc. and this all is a fact ..
But you , who I suppose believe how >> no, the elite is not getting together and deciding what is going to happen and tailor our society , no they're not pushing for this or that ... no they're not plotting againt the rest , no -way , in spite of the reality in front of your eyes or the facts .
Which means, if you even undertood 5% the works of Clifford, you'd realise it yourself, how you fail both at Moral and Epistemic evidentialism .

Of course, you can change that. Take into consideration both arguments and take it from there we'll see where that'll take you to .
Ok, sure, you know better than me (about what, I'm not entirely sure). But I'm sure it's lovely for you.

The question was: do people who subscribe to god/religion apply the same evidence based criteria as they do to e.g. science. The answer is: some do. Or at least, they think they do.

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Old 26.02.2021, 12:42
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Hello KandE ! arent you , oh little rascal

You see , it is cute to play the smart bum and I'm even sure, how you probably do indeed see yourself as "they" versus all those nutcases around who are criticising the elite . Yes K and E, you are the elite

Looking for the weekly aktion at aldi and lidli, trying to get the best bargain on easyjet ,then chat a bit on the EF and all that but yes you do belong to the 1% , sure .


Those ones, who are tailoring your mind, life, air, present and future are these guys
https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-billionaires

and yes, you can try to suck up to them, believe you're one of them and not one of us but ..guess what? they dont care about you , you're one big nothing to them , and you will never never ever join that club.. but yes, keep on fighting for their interests
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Hello KandE ! arent you , oh little rascal

You see , it is cute to play the smart bum and I'm even sure, how you probably do indeed see yourself as "they" versus all those nutcases around who are criticising the elite . Yes K and E, you are the elite

Looking for the weekly aktion at aldi and lidli, trying to get the best bargain on easyjet ,then chat a bit on the EF and all that but yes you do belong to the 1% , sure .


Those ones, who are tailoring your mind, life, air, present and future are these guys
https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-billionaires

and yes, you can try to suck up to them, believe you're one of them and not one of us but ..guess what? they dont care about you , you're one big nothing to them , and you will never never ever join that club.. but yes, keep on fighting for their interests
Note to self: found the new Truman.
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Old 26.02.2021, 13:43
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Note to self : Stumbled again on a sheeple who as my fave author Steinback once said " the sheeple see themselves not as an exploited sheep but as temporarily embarrassed billionaires.”

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Old 26.02.2021, 14:40
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Note to self : Stumbled again on a sheeple who as my fave author Steinback once said " the sheeple see themselves not as an exploited sheep but as temporarily embarrassed billionaires.”

The correct quote is "“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
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Old 26.02.2021, 14:48
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Note to self : Stumbled again on a sheeple who as my fave author Steinback once said " the sheeple see themselves not as an exploited sheep but as temporarily embarrassed billionaires.”

Sociologists call it sense of agency.

Very low levels of this sense of agency yield people believing everything is controlled by external factors, therefore any change in living conditions requires changing society and controlling nature(*). The optimal is somewhere in between both extremes.

(*) risky, do not try at home!
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Note to self : Stumbled again on a sheeple who as my fave author Steinback once said " the sheeple see themselves not as an exploited sheep but as temporarily embarrassed billionaires.”

Mmmm.

With more than a judicious splash of paraphrasing and word substitution. Because sheeple was definitely a thing in Steinbeck's day.
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Old 26.02.2021, 14:50
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OK, so that makes you and me both science/evidence based and hence we reject God & Religion too!

What about 22Yards, Marton and Ace1? Are you in or are you out? Anyone else?
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OK, so that makes you and me both science/evidence based and hence we reject God & Religion too!

What about 22Yards, Marton and Ace1? Are you in or are you out? Anyone else?
I used to believe in God, brought up going to church every Sunday, in the choir, etc. But when I grew up (aged around 16) and saw a little off the world I realised that if what I'd been taught was right then billions of people were going to hell just because they'd been taught something different, which didn't fit with the idea of God that I'd been fed.

Then of course, once you realise that a part of it is bollocks you're able to apply logic to the rest of it and throw the whole lot out of the window.
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OK, so that makes you and me both science/evidence based and hence we reject God & Religion too!

What about 22Yards, Marton and Ace1? Are you in or are you out? Anyone else?
I'm a satanist. Heavy metal and stuff, ya know...
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Old 26.02.2021, 21:02
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In 1954, there was a movie about giant ants, the consequence of some mutation created in New Mexico.

The title of the movie was “Them”.

https://www.classic-monsters.com/the...brothers-1954/

Maybe that’s where “They” come from.

Plausible as the rest of the conspiracy theory
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Are you in or are you out?
In or out of what?

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In or out of what?

Tom

Lockdowns


Seriously though my point was basically that if people are against any conspiracy theory due to lack of any evidence then they should extend that same evidence based approach to matters of religion and God too. Otherwise, in my eyes at least they would be hypocrites.


So I am pleased to know that Ace1, NotAllThere, LifeStrain etc are "IN", meaning that they try to extend the fact based approach to all subjects, including religion/God.
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I used to believe in God, brought up going to church every Sunday, in the choir, etc. But when I grew up (aged around 16) and saw a little off the world I realised that if what I'd been taught was right then billions of people were going to hell just because they'd been taught something different, which didn't fit with the idea of God that I'd been fed.

Then of course, once you realise that a part of it is bollocks you're able to apply logic to the rest of it and throw the whole lot out of the window.

what took you so long ?
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Lockdowns


Seriously though my point was basically that if people are against any conspiracy theory due to lack of any evidence then they should extend that same evidence based approach to matters of religion and God too. Otherwise, in my eyes at least they would be hypocrites.


So I am pleased to know that Ace1, NotAllThere, LifeStrain etc are "IN", meaning that they try to extend the fact based approach to all subjects, including religion/God.
Except there are religious or spiritual people with fact based approach to certain subjects and not in their faith just as there are atheists with fact based approach to only some selective problems. Then there are people who think that their approach is fact based which doesn't mean that it actually is. "IN" is on a scale. Where are you?
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Nah, no bla-bla, THAT club you're either in or out.

The ultimate test is your attitude to Charlie Hebdo.
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Except there are religious or spiritual people with fact based approach to certain subjects and not in their faith just as there are atheists with fact based approach to only some selective problems.
True, I try to be a man of principle in all matters equally and not selectively
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Yes, true again.
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I am here, Godless.
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The ultimate test is your attitude to Charlie Hebdo.
What is this test?
100% behind the rights of the cartoonists to mock any or every religion, no ifs or buts excuses from my side.
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So I am pleased to know that Ace1, NotAllThere, LifeStrain etc are "IN", meaning that they try to extend the fact based approach to all subjects, including religion/God.
Well, I think that all religions and gods are total BS, but so is a lot of so-called science!

Meanwhile, I'd be happy to have one of your kids to sacrifice for Easter! Please slaughter it in a halal manner.

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Seriously though my point was basically that if people are against any conspiracy theory due to lack of any evidence then they should extend that same evidence based approach to matters of religion and God too. Otherwise, in my eyes at least they would be hypocrites.
Are you implying that we mock conspiracy theories and not religion? I guess the issue is the absence of a religion thread, so the conspiracy theories thread is the only thing left to mock. Sorry.
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