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First of all, this is how things go :
known liars , the ones who are part of a corrupt system and do nothing about it .. the ones who are in the highest positions , doing some revolving doors careers, when they tell you a lie and you're not buying it they say "oh you are a complotist"

The method is to strip you off your own capability of reasoning therefore you even feel guilty if you try (like, omg ,I cant doubt them I'm not some nutcase) , so basically we've come to a point when we can not say out loud or point a finger at some ridiculous c**p we've been fed in this last year .... like, hmmm masks . Masks are useless (gov.officials) , then, masks should be worn only by very ill people (yeah, those ones with 42C° who are shopping at coop ,hopping on a bus, going to a theater play?) ? , then , oh Masks should be worn even by healthy people.. But healthy people can carry the virus, they're not ill, but somehow the virus can jump on to the person next you ...and (magic word) contaminaaate them (?)

For people who did go to med.school can you imagine how hard it is, to swallow this? For the simple reason because it's known how any of these pathogens (common cold, flu) first we get them through the eye mucosa. (this is why , Fauci said how we should all wear goggles) To continue, so now, masks, I mean mouth nappies everywhere, even for toddlers, with the scientific explanation how we NEED that until the vaccine becomes available . right. Now that the vaccine has arrived , oh no, YOU still have to wear the nappy , and everyone ,nose covered, doesnt matter if you're vaccinated .. and as a matter of fact, you'll have to wear masks , perhaps even until 2025 .

Honestly , I think every intelligent being , members of the forum here , even the ones who are the most afraid ones , the ones who are old school and still believe how there are gov. institutions, believe how it's impossible the authorities to be lying to us , mocking with us, toying... many times did a facepalm and felt how someone is messing with their brain -big time, when they heard all this nonsense , mental abuse, contradictory statements from these wonderful people who are doing everything to save our lives .

Mind you, this is not a new thing ..This has been done by the church/religion for centuries. In our age , it turns out , science has replaced religion . As a matter of fact we are experiencing dogma in every sense of the term.
Er, I did go to med school. The communication in this pandemic always included the fact that there is a lot we don‘t know. Somehow, some members of the public never got that part of the message. I suspect they‘re the same folks who imagine that science likes to think of itself as a religion. There is a difference. Science welcomes corrections. Which is exactly why it is so easy for those who mistake it for a religion to scoff at it.

Take masks: at the beginning of this, there was surprisingly little solid evidence that they work. Sure, there were plenty of lab experiments showing that when used correctly, masks reduced this, that and the other. Which leaves open the question of how well real-life laypeople actually handle masks. The evidence is still not all that good. That said, of course I wear a mask; at least I know not to keep fingering it. And I hasten to add that this is not my line of work and that I‘ve largely stopped trying to keep up with the pandemic’s more theoretical aspects, not least due to the incredible pace of new developments. It seems like an arms race between the virus and its unwilling hosts, i.e. us. So far, I don‘t think humanity is doing too badly. Of course one can only think so if one does not believe that it‘s all a conspiracy to make money for Big Pharma at the expense of everybody else

As for the virus only posing a danger to 1% of the population: those are just the deaths. Ever heard of long Covid? Or of multisystem inflammatory syndrome? Are there any elderly people among your nearest and dearest? We in the West live in groups segregated by age, with old people locked away (literally these days) in homes, and if you’re young and active and have no surviving grandparents, it can be dreadfully easy to forget what was going on in ICUs. That part of it is a threat to the young and healthy too. Remember when „they“ - in this case, the ICU staff, namely the Schweizerische Gesellschaft für Intensivmedizin - asked us to please write living wills specifying what we wanted done if in a coma, and to please not go skiing because their units were full? I have - no: had - old patients who died, and have others the exact same age who tested positive with no symptoms while their partner was in the ICU. I’ve seen colleagues my age unable to work for a month. It‘s completely unpredictable. But that’s the nature of the beast. Every human body is different. Biological systems exhibit a certain variability. Biology is not an exact science. To me, that makes it all the more interesting.
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Old 27.02.2021, 04:01
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OK, so that makes you and me both science/evidence based and hence we reject God & Religion too!

What about 22Yards, Marton and Ace1? Are you in or are you out? Anyone else?
I thought I'd made my position on religion and God (all religions and all gods) crystal clear over the years, but then again, I don't expect you to read all my posts on EF.

I trained as a scientist and I work in a highly scientific industry. I base my conclusions on provable facts and figures. If I don't have proof, I may lean toward assuming a position or favouring a sensible hypothesis, but I won't dismiss alternatives outright unless I have the evidence to do so.

I have seen no proof whatsover of a higher being. "Evidence" like "but what about the perfection of the structure of a snowflake" or "the majesty of a glorious sunset is proof enough of God's work" doesn't really cut it for me. There's also no compelling evidence against the existence of God(s). So I'm agnostic on this topic. To claim to be atheist would be as hypocritical as those who insist that God exists; there is no conclusive proof either way to accept or dismiss the hypothesis that God exists. I tend to believe that she doesn't, but sticking to my scientific principles, I can't say so definitively.

I guess that should make my position on religion easy to guess. On this, I'm very clear: there is no evidence of a higher being, so those who believe in one (or more) and alter their lives to follow and "obey" them, are spending a great deal of their time on hope that can never be verified (at best), or they are seriously deluded (at worst). On top of that, the documents that adherents to religion take at face value as their guiding beacons—the Bible, Torah, Quran, the Four Books and Five Classics, Tipitaka, Vedas, Kojiki, the Avesta collection, and so an ad almost infinitum—are so full of proven errors that frankly, everything they contain has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. So I'm absolutely against religion, on principle.

I'm kinda wondering why you brought this question up, though. Presumably you wanted to determine whether Ace1, marton and I are consistent in our repeated requests for evidence.

I do agree with you that it's disingenuous in the extreme to apply scientific principles to most facets of your life, but to drop them when it suits for some areas—like religion.
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On top of that, the documents that adherents to religion take at face value as their guiding beacons—the Bible, Torah, Quran, the Four Books and Five Classics, Tipitaka, Vedas, Kojiki, the Avesta collection, and so an ad almost infinitum—are so full of proven errors that frankly, everything they contain has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. So I'm absolutely against religion, on principle.
I'd add here that those books must be added to the list of extremist literature. Some passages imply or directly promote discrimination, violation of human rights or even mass murder based on ethnicity/religion/political views etc.
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Old 27.02.2021, 12:06
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I'd add here that those books must be added to the list of extremist literature. Some passages imply or directly promote discrimination, violation of human rights or even mass murder based on ethnicity/religion/political views etc.
Best put the complete works of Shakespeare in there as well.
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I used to believe in God, brought up going to church every Sunday, in the choir, etc. But when I grew up (aged around 16) and saw a little off the world I realised that if what I'd been taught was right then billions of people were going to hell just because they'd been taught something different, which didn't fit with the idea of God that I'd been fed.

Then of course, once you realise that a part of it is bollocks you're able to apply logic to the rest of it and throw the whole lot out of the window.
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what took you so long ?
Perhaps you missed this bit "going to church every Sunday, in the choir, etc.".

When your whole social life revolves around the church, even as far as the Scout group (Mondays when it was the cubs, Fridays later in the Scouts) being affiliated therewith as well as the Tuesday night "Christian Endeavour" meetings (kinda like a Youth Club) and Thursday night choir practice, it's easy to allow yourself to believe that you really should believe, just to fit in really, and carry on telling yourself that it must be true despite the ever-mounting evidence to the contrary, and the lack of anything that supported the idea in real life.

It's what religions do, you know?

I'm sure it must have had its upside but I'm buggered if I can remember what it was.

Edit: Aged 16 I was in the Merchant Navy, serving in the middle and far east, so this was the point at which the whole absurdity of the thing really struck me and was allowed to take hold.
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Old 27.02.2021, 12:33
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I used to believe in God, brought up going to church every Sunday, in the choir, etc. But when I grew up (aged around 16) and saw a little off the world I realised that if what I'd been taught was right then billions of people were going to hell just because they'd been taught something different, which didn't fit with the idea of God that I'd been fed.

Then of course, once you realise that a part of it is bollocks you're able to apply logic to the rest of it and throw the whole lot out of the window.
Likewise, but I was 14-15.

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I'm kinda wondering why you brought this question up, though. Presumably you wanted to determine whether Ace1, marton and I are consistent in our repeated requests for evidence.
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I do agree with you that it's disingenuous in the extreme to apply scientific principles to most facets of your life, but to drop them when it suits for some areas—like religion.
Exactly
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Likewise, but I was 14-15.

Tom
I was still in the womb. I had my first doubts when I was a sperm knocking about in my Dad's gonads. Beat that Tom!
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I was still in the womb. I had my first doubts when I was a sperm knocking about in my Dad's gonads. Beat that Tom!
Never had any doubts already in the sperm phase.
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Edit: Aged 16 I was in the Merchant Navy, serving in the middle and far east, so this was the point at which the whole absurdity of the thing really struck me and was allowed to take hold.
I am thankful for never needing to take hold. There was and still is very little space for god's will in the medical environment, I think. Everybody I know and their pet are atheist. Buf I think understanding religions, faith and spirituality is important, I understand why TTYL explained his logic in terms of conspiracies and church. I would add that science also requires a ton of wishful thinking and imagination, it is usually what inspires when inventing or when interpreting. TTYL was onto something with faith, I'd say. Legal systems, too, politics as well. A ton of good faith. Anywhere where there is any exchange, really, or need for agreement. So to be that selective and require "only facts" in some area, we have to be aware of what it means to different people.
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I was still in the womb. I had my first doubts when I was a sperm knocking about in my Dad's gonads. Beat that Tom!
I had my doubts in a previous incarnation, when I was Adam.
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I had my doubts in a previous incarnation, when I was Adam.
TBH I was pretty unsure about the whole idea even before I created him...
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God complex comes in many flavors..
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We ran out of conspiracies... apparently conspiracy people are not very keen on posting in the conspiracy thread. Conspiracy?
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Yeah, but who made you?
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I have a former work colleague, an intelligent well-educated man who held down important roles in Swiss banking and insurance, who has flipped out and turned an aggressive antivaccer.

He thinks it‘s a plot to cull the human race and that those who are vaccinated will die of cancer in a few years.

Totally bonkers, he won‘t listen to any reason. I have had to block/delete/unfriend him on all platforms...
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Yeah, but who made you?
One good ground for agnosticism rather than full-on atheism.
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Yeah, but who made you?
My mother, she was bigly into knitting.
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We ran out of conspiracies... apparently conspiracy people are not very keen on posting in the conspiracy thread. Conspiracy?
Au contraire, conspiracy people are not very keen on labelling their ideas as conspiracies, to them they are facts.
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He thinks it‘s a plot to cull the human race and that those who are vaccinated will die of cancer in a few years.
But what if this is true? Bill Gates recently published a book about how to avoid climate change. There is an encrypted message to all reptiles, which special vaccine lots to take to stay alive.
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