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It takes about 20 years after leaving the UK for someone born with UK Domicile after settling in a new country, it's the UK / US definition & has nothing to do with where you live which catches out most people.
It doesn't but I don't want to discuss it further.
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We are 100% non domiciled in the UK so that doesn’t apply to us.
As long as you don't have non-exempt UK assets.
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Old 26.02.2021, 19:20
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As long as you don't have non-exempt UK assets.
As I said we know for sure that we are non-domiciled in the UK.
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As I said we know for sure that we are non-domiciled in the UK.
Paying money to the UK upon death will "apply to you" if you have UK assets, regardless of domicile.
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

I know some russians did. Apparently very few people trust the govt and want to take that Sputnik V, so it is available to anyone of any any age (18+) and no pre-conditions since January. I personally know 2 ppl who did such kind of vaccine tourism already.
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Paying money to the UK upon death will "apply to you" if you have UK assets, regardless of domicile.
I don’t know how many times I need to repeat it, it will 100% not apply to us.
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Old 27.02.2021, 01:07
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After leaving CH, my domicile of choice obtained by living in CH for 20 years was lost & automatically revert to domicile of origin. It does have the advantage that I can be classed as a non dom in Malta & pay tax on remittance basis rather than worldwide income. There is a min payment of 5K to take this option if a single person or a couple have foreign earnings above €35k. This is a new rule that came in after my marriage. UK Dividends don't have a tax credit so in effect my wife's UK earnings are in effect taxed twice. Holding 'UK assets' is another issue with regard to domicile, originally I sold all property & totally cut off ties with the UK & did not step foot in the country for over 1000 days.
Can't you be without tax domicile by moving between three countries and staying for less than 180 days in each? What if you sailed the seas in your own boat for years?
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Old 27.02.2021, 07:57
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Can't you be without tax domicile by moving between three countries and staying for less than 180 days in each? What if you sailed the seas in your own boat for years?
My father was born in the UK so I have a UK domicile, it's nothing to do with where you live & pay income tax.

There is another hole people can fall down, UK inheritance tax exemption between spouses only exists if both are UK domiciled. The spouse exemption was capped at £55,000 in 2013 for non UK domiciled

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Can't you be without tax domicile by moving between three countries and staying for less than 180 days in each? What if you sailed the seas in your own boat for years?
I've known people who've done that to avoid being tax *resident* anywhere but in the UK "domicile" is a particular term. You can't change your "domicile of origin" and this is what the default "domicle" is, but you can choose to have a "domicile of choice" if essentially you've moved away and no longer consider the UK your home. Questions such as if you lost your job and your home and your wife where would you go are asked. If the answer is the UK then you likely still have a UK domicile. There are some quite clear rules, which have changed over time. I think minimum time to lose it is 5 or 6 years. Where you live and spend your time can certainly make a difference.
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Old 27.02.2021, 13:48
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

I was not born in UK, my father was not born in UK, neither was my mother, or grand parents, or great, great, great, great ...... grandparents. My OH was born in Cape Town, and so were his mother and father - lol.
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I was not born in UK, my father was not born in UK, neither was my mother, or grand parents, or great, great, great, great ...... grandparents. My OH was born in Cape Town, and so were his mother and father - lol.
The question could arise where your husbands grandfather was born & the year in which you were married. Your OH has a British passport, so quite possible he won UK domicile from his bloodline. I suspect getting 100% of pension income from the UK is not a demonstration of severing all ties

However you spent a long time in the UK, so deemed domicile could apply very quickly if you were to return as you have said in the past you might.
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The only issue possibly being the nice discussions about UK tax liabilities you may be having with HMRC if you overstay your welcome by WFH in the UK. IIRC, 30 days working maximum is allowed.

All fine and dandy if you don't get caught, but potentially expensive and bloody annoying if you do.

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Who's to know & who's going to tell them ? but at the end of the day ( you can always say ) I wanted to go
back to my home country but your Covid restrictions prevented it. Talking of restrictions - when you come
to think of it there must be thousends of displayed Brits who went on holiday to some country or other
( just before the pandemic ) but haven't been able to return home, either due to the restrictions
or being in an 'at risk' health group & consider it unwise to travel.

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Finally consider the fate of British Expats in Hungary who live in fear of receiving the Sputnik V vaccine.
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Old 27.02.2021, 15:37
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Who's to know & who's going to tell them ? but at the end of the day ( you can always say ) I wanted to go
back to my home country but your Covid restrictions prevented it. Talking of restrictions - when you come
to think of it there must be thousends of displayed Brits who went on holiday to some country or other
( just before the pandemic ) but haven't been able to return home, either due to the restrictions
or being in an 'at risk' health group & consider it unwise to travel.
UK tax declaration is self declaration. Evading tax means you would have to pay the tax + 2 x the tax in penalties plus interest. This is well in excess of 100% of the earnings that tax has been evaded on, plus up to 7 years in prison is a good reason not to cheat HMRC. They can get very nasty
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Finally consider the fate of British Expats in Hungary who live in fear of receiving the Sputnik V vaccine.
What’s wrong with Sputnik V?
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I was not born in UK, my father was not born in UK, neither was my mother, or grand parents, or great, great, great, great ...... grandparents. My OH was born in Cape Town, and so were his mother and father - lol.
I think under uk law you would have a "domicile of dependence" of South Africa if you were married before 1974 (or perhaps 1972 - something like that), after which this sexist rules no longer apply.
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Nearly 50 years - 29th May 71.

Gave up his SA nationality due to apartheid loooong time ago.
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The question could arise where your husbands grandfather was born & the year in which you were married. Your OH has a British passport, so quite possible he won UK domicile from his bloodline. I suspect getting 100% of pension income from the UK is not a demonstration of severing all ties

However you spent a long time in the UK, so deemed domicile could apply very quickly if you were to return as you have said in the past you might.
Isn't domicile of origin determined by where the father of the baby was domiciled at the time of the babies birth? Not necessarily his domicile of origin.

Thus my 1st child, born in 2019 when I lived in the uk has a British domicile of origin. Whereas hypothetical child 2, born in 2022 would have a Swiss domicile of origin as I took a Swiss domicile of choice in 2020.

In the case of jackies husband it looks like his father was probably domiciled in South Africa at the time of jackies husbands birth. Thus jackies husbands domicile of origin would be South Africa. Likely replaced by a domicile of choice of Switzerland.

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Isn't domicile of origin determined by where the father of the baby was domiciled at the time of the babies birth? Not necessarily his domicile of origin.

Thus my 1st child, born in 2019 when I lived in the uk has a British domicile of origin. Whereas hypothetical child 2, born in 2022 would have a Swiss domicile of origin.
I suspect they both have UK domicile of origin as you have not been living out of the UK for long enough to have potentially lost your UK domicile.

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Nearly 50 years - 29th May 71.

Gave up his SA nationality due to apartheid loooong time ago.
Then you would have the domicile of your husband under UK law

My mother's became UK domicile at her marriage, although born in the UK & only ever had UK citizenship, her father was born in Hong Kong, his father in Bagdad.
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I suspect they both have UK domicile of origin as you have not been living out of the UK for long enough to have potentially lost your UK domicile.
My understanding (might be wrong) is that by taking a permanent full time job in Switzerland and by moving permanently to Switzerland is that I immediately take a Swiss domicile of choice.

My understanding is also that I am "deemed domicile" solely for the purposes of iht for 3-4 years after leaving the UK but that wouldn't affect my child's domicile of origin.
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