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My understanding (might be wrong) is that by taking a permanent full time job in Switzerland and by moving permanently to Switzerland is that I immediately take a Swiss domicile of choice.

My understanding is also that I am "deemed domicile" solely for the purposes of iht for 3-4 years after leaving the UK but that wouldn't affect my child's domicile of origin.
You still retain 2 homes in the UK, invest in UK assets, so it does not look like a permanent move with the 'intention' of never returning to the UK. You only have a temporary resident permit (B) in CH, I can't believe that you have established a Swiss domicile of choice at this stage. When I left the UK, I sold my flat, sold all UK investments & closed all interest bearing accounts to demonstrate a permanent move. I also never stepped foot in the UK the 3rd/4th & 5th UK tax years to demonstrate cutting all ties with the U.K., so for about 15 years it give me a Swiss domicile of choice.
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Old 27.02.2021, 20:32
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You still retain 2 homes in the UK, invest in UK assets, so it does not look like a permanent move with the 'intention' of never returning to the UK. You only have a temporary resident permit (B) in CH, I can't believe that you have established a Swiss domicile of choice at this stage. When I left the UK, I sold my flat, sold all UK investments & closed all interest bearing accounts to demonstrate a permanent move. I also never stepped foot in the UK the 3rd/4th & 5th UK tax years to demonstrate cutting all ties with the U.K., so for about 15 years it give me a Swiss domicile of choice.
But domicile is about where you intend to live long term.

If I hadn't let out those properties I would agree that they could potentially be of some interest to determining my domicile, but they are both let out and all our belongings are here. Further, they are too small for a family home and I have a child now. I don't think it would be reasonable to argue that a relatively affluent couple with two children (as would be the case) would want to live in a 1 bed flat.

So it's fundamentally an investment decision, as is investing in the equities I choose to invest in. I choose to invest in the companies I do because, I believe they offer a good chance of a long term return. I don't care whether Baillie Gifford are based in Edinburgh, Zurich or the moon. Also because I am familiar with uk investment trusts.

So I think all this says more about my past than my future.

I certainly have no plans in leaving Switzerland, and so think I would be justified in claiming a Swiss domicile. I will likely be buying a residential property here within a year or so - which should give some further weight to my submission. As would be the fact that I've passed the necessary German exam for obtaining a C permit - showing my (genuine) plans in being here 4 years from now and indefinitely into the future.

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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

Some people have a holiday home in France, or in Spain, or ... wherever.

We have a holiday home too, in the UK. Our home here is about 20 times the size, and defo our main home.
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Whatís wrong with Sputnik V?
It comes from Novichok land !!
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Old 28.02.2021, 01:26
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It comes from Novichok land !!
So? The gamelaya institute is well respected and the phase 3 clinical trial results are out now.

This kind of attitude is why there's a lot of antivax in continental Europe regarding the az jab.
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Old 28.02.2021, 08:47
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

I canít help thinking that a thread split is in order here.
There are two distinctly different topics being discussed.
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It comes from Novichok land !!
Sputnik V has nothing to do with Novichok... Do you also believe that the Pfizer vaccine should be avoided because it came from the Trump land? (or Biden land — as I don’t know whom you support)
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So? The gamelaya institute is well respected and the phase 3 clinical trial results are out now.

This kind of attitude is why there's a lot of antivax in continental Europe regarding the az jab.
No - all for the right vax and all against putty's human rights abuses.
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Old 28.02.2021, 11:05
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Some people have a holiday home in France, or in Spain, or ... wherever.

We have a holiday home too, in the UK. Our home here is about 20 times the size, and defo our main home.
France & Spain don't have UK domicile rules.
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Old 28.02.2021, 22:16
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My understanding (might be wrong) is that by taking a permanent full time job in Switzerland and by moving permanently to Switzerland is that I immediately take a Swiss domicile of choice.

My understanding is also that I am "deemed domicile" solely for the purposes of iht for 3-4 years after leaving the UK but that wouldn't affect my child's domicile of origin.
My understanding is that your understanding is way off :-) Immediately becoming non-UK tax-resident yes, but domicile is different and has a particular meaning when it comes to UK tax. All info on the HMRC gov.uk website!
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Old 28.02.2021, 22:53
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

When it came to an international child custody battle, domicile had no specific legal definition, but international child abduction agencies agree that the child is domiciled where is has lived for 12 months, especially if registered in one home and school/nursery. That is why Reunite and the Swiss courts both agreed the court case would happen here. (He had signed a witnessed agreement for us to move and had regular contact with her so Reunite were not that bothered).

But the point is, legally, domiciled does not have one definition legally.
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When it came to an international child custody battle, domicile had no specific legal definition, but international child abduction agencies agree that the child is domiciled where is has lived for 12 months, especially if registered in one home and school/nursery. That is why Reunite and the Swiss courts both agreed the court case would happen here. (He had signed a witnessed agreement for us to move and had regular contact with her so Reunite were not that bothered).

But the point is, legally, domiciled does not have one definition legally.
We are specifically talking about UK domicile & the IHT implications it carries possibly for the rest of your life.
In most jurisdictions domicile is the place where you currently live & nothing else.
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My understanding is that your understanding is way off :-) Immediately becoming non-UK tax-resident yes, but domicile is different and has a particular meaning when it comes to UK tax. All info on the HMRC gov.uk website!
If that were the case I'd dig out the family tree.

My surname is Hugenout so I'm presuming if the fathers fathers etc. rule applies then I could demonstrate a French Domicile of Origin
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

Incidentally why isn't the uk charging us capital gains etc. if everyone who moves here is still domiciled in the uk.
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Incidentally why isn't the uk charging us capital gains etc. if everyone who moves here is still domiciled in the uk.
They do on sales of assets you bought before you moved if you move back within a certain period of time, but please don't ask how long that is! It's almost as if that certain period of time could be enough to make you a non-UK-dom ;-)
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If that were the case I'd dig out the family tree.

My surname is Hugenout so I'm presuming if the fathers fathers etc. rule applies then I could demonstrate a French Domicile of Origin
Then you could possibly benefit from non dom taxation in the UK at a later date assuming you have non UK sourced income & gains. Fundsmith Luxembourg exists for this very reason.
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Re: British Expats would you travel to the UK to get the jab earlier than anywhere el

I had a vaccination appointment sent to my home address in Scotland for Sunday 28th Feb. My sister opened it as she recognised the blue envelope, I had to ring them up on Saturday to cancel. Talk about wishing I was back there!

We're registered on the waiting list in Basel, but read in the press yesterday there's not really much point in it
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If that were the case I'd dig out the family tree.

My surname is Hugenout so I'm presuming if the fathers fathers etc. rule applies then I could demonstrate a French Domicile of Origin

My maiden name is directly derived from Huguenot- and my OH's great, great ++++ grandmother in Cape Town was also Huguenot with others from Norway, Holland, Indonesia, native SA- the UK is just one of so many on the origin's list!
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Then you could possibly benefit from non dom taxation in the UK at a later date assuming you have non UK sourced income & gains. Fundsmith Luxembourg exists for this very reason.
I believe certain income from the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands also count as non UK sourced
income as well, judging by the number of 'offshore accounts' that are based there.
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It comes from Novichok land !!
Regardless of where it is produced, the health authority review is stringent and includes a thorough analysis of all the data as well as a full GMP inspection of the manufacturing site. They will also test samples to make sure they meet the release specifications. Swissmedic, FDA, European Medicines Agency etc.. aren't going to just take Putin's word for it.
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