Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10.03.2021, 21:24
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Aarau
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts
Reycobos has no particular reputation at present
I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Hello,

I've got an Abo in the Clever Fit Studio from 1.05.2020 until 30.04.2021. I've chosen to pay my bills until January(I still got 3 bills to pay, 207 CHF total) and then I decided to quit the gym and buy gym equipment to do powerlifting on my balcony.

Anyway, I've sent an email to quit my abo and asking if I have to pay the last 3 bills because they were already closed for almost 2 months last year and now they will be closed probably till 1st of April, so 5 months closed.

They answered me that yes, I have to pay the bills and the told me to check the website because they've got a Corona-Angebot with 3 options.

1- Give them the money without compensation
2 - Give this 2nd-Lockdown credit to a new member
3 - Renew my Abo and get this 2nd-Lockdown credit onto my new Abo.

I don't agree with the options and I was a bit upset with the answer because I kindly paid January and I didn't ask any compensation. Also, they are the only gym in Switzerland with this policy. So I replied them sending this article and saying I will not pay because It's my right


Then, another person sent me a reply, with a introduction about their policy, and finally saying this:

Quote:
Somit, würden wir uns sehr freuen, Sie weiterhin zu unseren vielen zufriedenen Kunden zählen zu dürfen und Sie Ihr Abo inkl. der Zeitgutschrift des Lockdowns verlängern würden. Und natürlich freuen wir uns, sie baldmöglichst wieder in unserem Studio begrüssen zu dürfen.
Falls nicht, bedauern wir Ihren Entscheid und bieten Ihnen gerne unsere Option 2 an.
I had a misunderstanding with the word "verlängern". My swiss girlfriend told me that it means to renew my contract another year and I understand that it's extend my current Abo. Probably she is right but I am amused how this people can be so stubborn when you already told them you will not pay and it's extremely obvious that I'm right. What they are thinking they are? and NGO?

So I replied back and ask them what they mean with "verlängern" and told them I can accept to pay if they will extend my current abo (Because my gym stuff hasn't arrived yet). I sent my last email 2 days ago I have no answer yet, but I'm waiting for some kind of post/email threat. In case I receive something like this, what can I do? would a formal registered letter
work? Do I need a lawyer for such a letter?

thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10.03.2021, 21:34
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Aarau
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts
Reycobos has no particular reputation at present
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Just to clarify their 2nd option, this is what is written on the website:

Quote:
Ich verschenke einem clever fit Neumitglied eine entsprechende
Zeitgutschrift für die Dauer der erneuten, behördlich verordneten
Betriebsschliessung, wenn das Neumitglied eine Jahresmitgliedschaft abschliesst (das heisst meine Ausfallzeit wird dem
Neumitglied gratis an sein Neuabo angehängt). Dafür erhalte ich
einen separaten Gutschrifts-Talon zugestellt
.
That last sentence makes me laugh. What the hell is a Gutschrifts-Talon? It can be anything, a piece of paper saying "Danke"? a one day pass?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10.03.2021, 21:45
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 4,239
Groaned at 72 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 5,895 Times in 2,778 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Hello

30.04.2021? That's like tomorrow in Swiss contractual terms.

So, first stay calm because you'll need it to think clearly. Precisely this morning I asked advice on how to cancel a GYM membership on this other thread.

https://www.englishforum.ch/other-ge...-problems.html

You understood "verlängern" right, it's an extension of your current membership. Usually in gym contracts there's a period of 1, 2 or 4 weeks before the end of the membership were you have to notify in written form that you don't want to extend your membership another year. Otherwise your membership is extended automatically another year according to the contract you signed a year ago.

Please don't shoot the messenger (me ) and read as soon as possible your contract to clarify the notice period you need to respect to avoid the automatic renewal of the membership for another year. I don't want to slander the gym, but there's a real possibility that they're keeping your busy via email until the notice period ends and you're liable to pay one more year.

So, keep calm, read the other tread and act as soon as possible sending a registered letter..... 30.04.2021 is tomorrow

@mods, thread merge?

Last edited by Axa; 10.03.2021 at 21:56.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 10.03.2021, 22:04
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 8,714
Groaned at 317 Times in 244 Posts
Thanked 20,040 Times in 6,989 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
I've got an Abo in the Clever Fit Studio from 1.05.2020 until 30.04.2021.
So what did you think on 1st May 2020? That we would never ever have another lockdown again?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 10.03.2021, 22:10
DantesDame's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 1,404
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 1,593 Times in 680 Posts
DantesDame has a reputation beyond reputeDantesDame has a reputation beyond reputeDantesDame has a reputation beyond reputeDantesDame has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

My gym specifically states that I need to give them notice three months before the end of my yearly membership if I want to cancel. Otherwise it will automatically renew.

FYI, my gym is also going to credit my account for the time they were closed due to Federal restrictions. I don't have the details of this, but expect (at least "hope") to have them once the announcement comes when I can return.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10.03.2021, 23:07
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
I don't agree with the options and I was a bit upset with the answer because I kindly paid January and I didn't ask any compensation. Also, they are the only gym in Switzerland with this policy. So I replied them sending this article and saying I will not pay because It's my right
Your rights extend only to what's written in the contract. The archives of English Forum are littered with people complaining that their gym membership is somehow 'unfair', but the answer is always the same - you sign a contract, you have to accept the conditions that you agreed to. End of story.

Oh, and no, they're not the only gym in Switzerland with this policy. Whatever made you think that?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 11.03.2021, 11:16
Mica's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 979
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 1,242 Times in 553 Posts
Mica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

To be fair to the OP, the fitness center is not open and thus not delivering their services, and as the OP pointed out this article (https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/fitn...ue-fitness-abo and https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/onl...ss_abo_zahlen/) suggest that he would not need to pay for the period during which the fitness center cannot deliver its services.

From a "fairness" point of view: I do see an issue of a company demanding payment and not delivering any services (this has nothing to do with onerous termination provisions, etc.). However, one would need to look at the general terms and conditions in particular, since they may say that if the company is hindered from providing its services the recourse is limited to an extension of the membership or similar.
__________________
Liability for any statements hereinabove excluded! - Need a Swiss lawyer PM me.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Mica for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 11.03.2021, 12:15
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

I find it interesting that only "the others" are supposed to carry the load.

They can't "deliver" due to force majeure, one that hit us all. (Yes I know, some think it's b the force of the government and believe, by writing an end date into a law it's all done )

They keep paying the bills so the gym is at least still there when people want to return. They would love to deliver yet fight for survival.
If someone found out that training at home is actually good enough, I like offer b very much.

If they'd offer me prolonging my membership for the months they were forced to be closed, I would say "thank you very much, that is kind of you".
But then I seem to be some kind of weirdo, thinking we should share the burden.
__________________
It's all a matter or perspective.
So move your butt and look at it from the other side
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11.03.2021, 14:21
Mica's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 979
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 1,242 Times in 553 Posts
Mica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond reputeMica has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
I find it interesting that only "the others" are supposed to carry the load.
If I am paying for a service and the service is not (or cannot) be delivered, why should I as a counterpart be required to nonetheless pay for it? After all, the service provider is undertaking the business risk of providing the service and can (i) insure against business interruption, or (ii) accept the risk without insurance.

It would be something different if you enter into a joint venture with another party and contractually agree to share the risks (and the benefits). Then by all means the load can be spread out. But that really does not apply to a gym membership.

P.S. I do not want to diminish the strain that small (or large) businesses are under who are directly affected by the lockdown/Covid, and I am sure they appreciate any support by customers, but I am simply writing from a consumer perspective.
__________________
Liability for any statements hereinabove excluded! - Need a Swiss lawyer PM me.

Last edited by Mica; 11.03.2021 at 14:24. Reason: added P.S.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Mica for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 11.03.2021, 14:37
kri's Avatar
kri kri is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,436
Groaned at 54 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 2,287 Times in 1,136 Posts
kri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
If I am paying for a service and the service is not (or cannot) be delivered, why should I as a counterpart be required to nonetheless pay for it? After all, the service provider is undertaking the business risk of providing the service and can (i) insure against business interruption, or (ii) accept the risk without insurance.

It would be something different if you enter into a joint venture with another party and contractually agree to share the risks (and the benefits). Then by all means the load can be spread out. But that really does not apply to a gym membership.

P.S. I do not want to diminish the strain that small (or large) businesses are under who are directly affected by the lockdown/Covid, and I am sure they appreciate any support by customers, but I am simply writing from a consumer perspective.
I would agree - also many businesses are getting government support, can fire staff (am sure many have) but consumers are expected to just continue to pay?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank kri for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 11.03.2021, 17:04
Verbier's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lully VD
Posts: 4,401
Groaned at 17 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 4,672 Times in 2,361 Posts
Verbier has a reputation beyond reputeVerbier has a reputation beyond reputeVerbier has a reputation beyond reputeVerbier has a reputation beyond reputeVerbier has a reputation beyond reputeVerbier has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

This type of issue - cancelling fitness club/mobile phone etc. contracts within the required notice period comes up very often. If you miss the cancel date, CH contracts "tacitly" re-new typically for ANOTHER year. CH firms are not required to remind you that your contract is coming up for renewal!

To address this issue, I would suggest that when you sign a contract for this type of service that you immediately send a registered letter (CHF 6.-) to cancel the contract at the end of the 12 or 24 months of the contract. This way you will not miss any deadlines. You will also allow you to take advantage of any special offers from other suppliers or the company who wants to keep you when the contract is up.
__________________
Do or do not, there is no try(ing). Yoda
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Verbier for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 11.03.2021, 18:17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 343
Groaned at 21 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 404 Times in 187 Posts
Sinking has earned the respect of manySinking has earned the respect of manySinking has earned the respect of many
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Or just put the automatic renewal date in the agenda so you don't forget to cancel membership/service/subscription when the time comes.

Most gyms do indeed offer to add "lost months due to being closed" to an existing contract. In my opinion, if customers decides to cancel the contract instead, terms of contract should be respected.

After all, this is a pandemic and it's neither the company's fault, nor the customer's.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sinking for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 11.03.2021, 18:22
kri's Avatar
kri kri is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,436
Groaned at 54 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 2,287 Times in 1,136 Posts
kri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond reputekri has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
Or just put the automatic renewal date in the agenda so you don't forget to cancel membership/service/subscription when the time comes.

Most gyms do indeed offer to add "lost months due to being closed" to an existing contract. In my opinion, if customers decides to cancel the contract instead, terms of contract should be respected.

After all, this is a pandemic and it's neither the company's fault, nor the customer's.
Your last statement is true and therefore at best costs should be shared and not put fully on the customer whilst the gym can access state help, reduce fixed costs by firing people etc.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11.03.2021, 18:29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 343
Groaned at 21 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 404 Times in 187 Posts
Sinking has earned the respect of manySinking has earned the respect of manySinking has earned the respect of many
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
Your last statement is true and therefore at best costs should be shared and not put fully on the customer whilst the gym can access state help, reduce fixed costs by firing people etc.
Do gyms have the right to access state help?
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Sinking for this post:
  #15  
Old 11.03.2021, 23:48
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Aarau
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts
Reycobos has no particular reputation at present
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post

So, keep calm, read the other tread and act as soon as possible sending a registered letter..... 30.04.2021 is tomorrow

@mods, thread merge?
Sorry my mistake, I wasn't clear enough on my first post. When I said "I sent an email to quit my Abo", that was done. My Abo finish on 30.04.2021 . I knew I had to quit my membership with more than 3 months notice and I did it on January. They replied me sending me a confirmation email with a PDF as well. This is why I am so angry because they only offer compensation if I extend for another year my membership and they know I already canceled my membership. There is no compensation for the current year.

The problem is that I still got 3 bills to pay, the last 3 bills, and I am not willing to pay them


Quote:
View Post
So what did you think on 1st May 2020? That we would never ever have another lockdown again?
Well, yes I did, like many people I guess. But It does not matter what I thought on May, I would have to quit my membership on January. Also, on May I still wanted to go to the gym. This idea to build up a gym to do powerlifting just came on December and after one month of thinking about it, I just quit the Abo on January.

Quote:
View Post
My gym specifically states that I need to give them notice three months before the end of my yearly membership if I want to cancel. Otherwise it will automatically renew.

FYI, my gym is also going to credit my account for the time they were closed due to Federal restrictions. I don't have the details of this, but expect (at least "hope") to have them once the announcement comes when I can return.
That is what I've read on the media, that the only gym not doing so is Clever Fit. They only do it when you extend for another year the membership

Quote:
Your rights extend only to what's written in the contract. The archives of English Forum are littered with people complaining that their gym membership is somehow 'unfair', but the answer is always the same - you sign a contract, you have to accept the conditions that you agreed to. End of story.

Oh, and no, they're not the only gym in Switzerland with this policy. Whatever made you think that?
That is what is about all this stuff, sorry I didn't pointed out on my first post, it's written on the article. There is nothing at all written on the contract about to keep paying when the gym is closed due to a pandemic, zombie apocalypse or whatever. That's why they cannot do anything at all. For sure they will change the terms and conditions on the next contract.

I don't know if they are the only one, that's is what I read on many articles. At least, between the largest franchises, is one of the few ones doing that.

This is a translation for the article

Quote:
When asked by «Espresso», Clever-Fit admits that they are aware that they are offering a different solution than other studios. As a young company with strong growth, the situation for Clever-Fit is a major economic challenge: "With our solution, we can spread the financial damage over a longer period of time and we can cope with it." This regulation penalizes those Clever-Fit customers who do not want to extend their fitness subscription. You get nothing. However, the regulation contradicts the Code of Obligations. This states that the failure must be reimbursed if the service cannot be provided. This is how it has been explained by legal experts on various occasions over the past few months. It is only different if the terms and conditions expressly state that the full amount is also owed if the service cannot be provided in full. However, this is not the case in Clever-Fit's terms and conditions.
Quote:
View Post
To be fair to the OP, the fitness center is not open and thus not delivering their services, and as the OP pointed out this article (https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/fitn...ue-fitness-abo and https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/onl...ss_abo_zahlen/) suggest that he would not need to pay for the period during which the fitness center cannot deliver its services.

From a "fairness" point of view: I do see an issue of a company demanding payment and not delivering any services (this has nothing to do with onerous termination provisions, etc.). However, one would need to look at the general terms and conditions in particular, since they may say that if the company is hindered from providing its services the recourse is limited to an extension of the membership or similar.
Thanks for reading the article!

Quote:
View Post

If they'd offer me prolonging my membership for the months they were forced to be closed, I would say "thank you very much, that is kind of you".
But then I seem to be some kind of weirdo, thinking we should share the burden.
I actually asked for that on my last email, to extend my current abo around 4 months because due to corona I do not have my whole gym equipment yet (I bought it on January....) so I may find myself on May with no gym and no equipment.


Quote:
View Post
Do gyms have the right to access state help?
I think so, they can take Kurzarbeit for the employees, like any other business.

I was even angrier after my girlfriend told me that this Clever fit wasn't paying bills for the first or second year here. They were many complaints from construction companies about the billing with this Clever fit, that they haven't received their payment. On the inauguration day on Regensdorf-Watt, the electricity company shut down the electricity that day.

Do you guys want to know something very funny? I've bought my gym stuff on two shops in Zurich. One shop had the items on stock and because they were heavy and the shop is only 20 min from my job, I decided to go and pick it up to save the shipping cost (quiet expensive because it was heavy). On my way to my job I camera radar caught me at 116 kmph on the Autobahn . I thought "what the hell".... once I arrived later on at home I checked online and just that section was 80 max, not 120. I hadn't seen the sign at the moment...

So I was very worry about my driving license, making some numbers about the speed and checking EF looking for information. After the initial letter to declare the driver, finally the fine came yesterday and it is 610 CHF. (280 fine and 330 CHF admin fee that I already checked on EF to find out that the abusive Gebühren is quiet normal)

I think the shipping cost were something like 120 CHF and I wound up paying 610 CHF. On top of that this clever fit wants me to pay the last bills when there is no gym to go...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Reycobos for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 12.03.2021, 10:42
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 4,239
Groaned at 72 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 5,895 Times in 2,778 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
Sorry my mistake, I wasn't clear enough on my first post. When I said "I sent an email to quit my Abo", that was done. My Abo finish on 30.04.2021 . I knew I had to quit my membership with more than 3 months notice and I did it on January. They replied me sending me a confirmation email with a PDF as well. This is why I am so angry because they only offer compensation if I extend for another year my membership and they know I already canceled my membership. There is no compensation for the current year.

The problem is that I still got 3 bills to pay, the last 3 bills, and I am not willing to pay them
Great! The issue is limited to 3 bills. I guess you may ask them to show in their terms and conditions where you should pay for a service you did not get. If they cannot prove it, the rechnungs have no base.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 12.03.2021, 22:11
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Aarau
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts
Reycobos has no particular reputation at present
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

I will but I know that is not on the contract. I've just received a remainder today to pay the bill from February, that I've got 7 days to pay...I didn't want to be mean but now I may ask them for a refund for one or two months due to the first lockdown, because I think I can do it.

I found a consumer organization, https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/beratung/

How can set a claim here? is there such a "claim sheet" like in UK? In my country, Spain, we have to fill a claim sheet. Keep one copy, give another one to the company and the third one to the government authority. is there something like that here?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 14.03.2021, 17:56
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 2,185
Groaned at 8 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,323 Times in 702 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
I will but I know that is not on the contract. I've just received a remainder today to pay the bill from February, that I've got 7 days to pay...I didn't want to be mean but now I may ask them for a refund for one or two months due to the first lockdown, because I think I can do it.

I found a consumer organization, https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/beratung/

How can set a claim here? is there such a "claim sheet" like in UK? In my country, Spain, we have to fill a claim sheet. Keep one copy, give another one to the company and the third one to the government authority. is there something like that here?
Well, go back to that website and give them a call - right on the front page it offers telephone advice, so take them up on it.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 29.05.2021, 14:54
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Aarau
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts
Reycobos has no particular reputation at present
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Well, it's been long time without update.

I've send this people a letter telling them that I will not pay and there is no reason to pay because it wasn't on the contract. Furthermore, I've asked them to refund me 3 months.

they didn't reply me and I wasn't sure this was over. Yesterday I received a letter from Creditreform, a company who bought the debt and now they are asking me for money plus a fee. I will call on monday to this Konsumshutz organization to see what can I do.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 29.05.2021, 20:48
slammer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lummerland
Posts: 5,375
Groaned at 207 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 9,701 Times in 3,745 Posts
slammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I don't want to pay my Clever Fit bills due to corona-lockdown

Quote:
View Post
Well, it's been long time without update.

I've send this people a letter telling them that I will not pay and there is no reason to pay because it wasn't on the contract. Furthermore, I've asked them to refund me 3 months.

they didn't reply me and I wasn't sure this was over. Yesterday I received a letter from Creditreform, a company who bought the debt and now they are asking me for money plus a fee. I will call on monday to this Konsumshutz organization to see what can I do.
Whelp, looks like they have called your bluff and unleashed the dogs of war.
You are in a world of pain now, best would be to pay what is owed to the Gym and tell creditreform to pound sand.
I don´t get it, how can gyms get away with this kind of stuff in this day and age?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank slammer for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Entertainment (via Apps) in times of Corona lockdown Guest General off-topic 3 21.03.2020 13:49
Who's a clever boy, then? TiMow Daily life 53 20.06.2013 10:32
Clever con Desert Rat Daily life 12 26.10.2012 16:42
Wow hoe clever are rats Sutter Pet corner 75 11.02.2009 09:31
So you think you're clever.... cunnyfunt General off-topic 30 08.11.2007 10:53


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:10.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0