Afghan Refugees in Switzerland - Page 5

V__ · #81 27.08.2021, 23:04

	Quote:	olygirl
	Interestingly enough, it may be the Balkans that will provide a safe corridor for the Afghans coming to Europe. https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/24/...backwater-view

Because most are puppet countries of USA.

It will be intersting to see who from these refugees will want to stay in the Balkans and won't try to go north.

If it was me, I would have jumped from the plane if I knew they were taking me to Macedonia or Kosovo

marton · #82 27.08.2021, 23:06

	Quote:	V__
	It is uncomparable the Yugoslav refugees from the 90s and todays refugees from Syria or Afghanistan. The civilian muslim population in Yugoslavia was unarmed and literally slaughtered by para-army equiped with latest weapons. They couldn't defend themselves, unlike the Afghan people who had all the weapons in the world. In many instances they were killed by their closest friends or even families just because they were suddenly different religion. The Yugoslav refugees were all women and children. Compare the two pictures of what refugees looked back than and what "refugees" look now:

Your first picture seems to be subject to copyright.

Your second picture is at least three years old and has nothing to do with Afghanistan.

Axa · #83 27.08.2021, 23:12

	Quote:	V__
	Because most are puppet countries of USA. It will be intersting to see who from these refugees will want to stay in the Balkans and won't try to go north. If it was me, I would have jumped from the plane if I knew they were taking me to Macedonia or Kosovo

That's why you're in Switzerland, ambition is good.

curley · #84 27.08.2021, 23:52

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	My experience is that most people don't read the whole post anyway. The TL;DR is usually (but not always) sarcastic. TL;DR... oh never mind.

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	Pardon my ignorance but maybe somebody who's more attuned to the issue may shed some light on the topic. Why isn't it possible for these Afghans to just move to a bordering "Stan" country? If hell would break loose in Switzerland, I wouldn't think of moving to Tahiti or Bangladesh, I would try my luck in a nearby country, i.e. Germany or Thurgau.

	Quote:	Axa
	What's the rule to measure racism? Police going too hard on some people? No. Beatings in the street of people of slightly different skin color? No. Denied access to restaurants, clubs? Nein. As a milk coffee skin guy, after several years around in Europe I've only had 2 racist incidents. Once in Zakynthos (Greece) when they let board a lot of people into the plane and only asked for passport to me. I made a nice scene while telling no documents check within Schengen and the easyjet employees backed off. The other one was in Switzerland and was much more funny. A take away restaurant employee told me the food I just ordered contained pork and that my drink contained alcohol. The funny thing is that the racist was a Muslim, profiled me and assumed I was a Muslim too, so he was helping me to avoid a couple of mistakes. Poor thing. Albeit, I recognize the decrease in racism must be a very recent change, 10-20 years max. Foreign work colleagues of a certain age 50-60 YO are somehow traumatized and sour. They must have endured a lot, or they have a thin skin. Not sure what, but that generation has something weird.

Islam is not a race. So you had only one racist incident.

NotAllThere · #85 28.08.2021, 07:32

	Quote:	curley
	Islam is not a race. So you had only one racist incident.

Two xenophobic incidents.

Chuff · #86 28.08.2021, 07:39

	Quote:	Axa
	The other one was in Switzerland and was much more funny. A take away restaurant employee told me the food I just ordered contained pork and that my drink contained alcohol. The funny thing is that the racist was a Muslim, profiled me and assumed I was a Muslim too, so he was helping me to avoid a couple of mistakes. Poor thing.

How on earth is it racist for a guy you say was himself a Muslim, to try to help someone that he assumes (wrongly) is a fellow Muslim, to avoid any religion-based culinary issues?

That is simply a genuine case of well-intended, but ultimately misguided, profiling in flagging you as a fellow Muslim. There is no "racism" there in any logical way.

st2lemans · #87 28.08.2021, 07:57

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	Pardon my ignorance but maybe somebody who's more attuned to the issue may shed some light on the topic. Why isn't it possible for these Afghans to just move to a bordering "Stan" country? If hell would break loose in Switzerland, I wouldn't think of moving to Tahiti or Bangladesh, I would try my luck in a nearby country, i.e. Germany or Thurgau.

As a refugee, Germany would be my last choice!

Tom

parnell · #88 28.08.2021, 10:11

	Quote:	olygirl
	The key words are "Among Muslims who say that Sharia should be the law of the land....". This is not representative of Muslims as a whole. Sorry, try again.

From Afghanistan?
No - you again choose not to see what is in front of your eyes

parnell · #89 28.08.2021, 10:15

	Quote:	Chuff
	How on earth is it racist for a guy you say was himself a Muslim, to try to help someone that he assumes (wrongly) is a fellow Muslim, to avoid any religion-based culinary issues? That is simply a genuine case of well-intended, but ultimately misguided, profiling in flagging you as a fellow Muslim. There is no "racism" there in any logical way.

I disagree - treating someone differently on grounds of race - either positively or otherwise is de facto racism. Intention does not come into it.
For example the BBC having BAME only internships is racist and prosecutions should ensue.

olygirl · #90 28.08.2021, 10:17

It specifically says AMONG MUSLIMS WHO SAY THAT SHARIA SHOULD BE PART OF THE LAND...

What about those Muslims who don't say that sharia should be part of the land? What percentage of Muslims say that sharia should be part of the land?
Too many variables and I personally know many Muslims who don't believe in sharia.

This survey was meant to instill emotional outrage to those who refuse to read it correctly.

olygirl · #91 28.08.2021, 10:21

	Quote:	parnell
	I disagree - treating someone differently on grounds of race - either positively or otherwise is de facto racism. Intention does not come into it. For example the BBC having BAME only internships is racist and prosecutions should ensue.

The definition of racism is:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
"a programme to combat racism"

Similar: racial discrimination racialism racial prejudice/bigotry
xenophobia chauvinism bigotry bias intolerance anti-Semitism apartheid

the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Chuff is right. There was no prejudice, discrimination or antagonism involved. Just good intentions

Chuff · #92 28.08.2021, 10:27

	Quote:	parnell
	I disagree - treating someone differently on grounds of race - either positively or otherwise is de facto racism. Intention does not come into it. For example the BBC having BAME only internships is racist and prosecutions should ensue.

Then as olygirl pointed out, you objectively don't know what the definition of racism is and in addition lack the context to make a reasonable assessment.

Downerbuzz · #93 28.08.2021, 10:29

	Quote:	st2lemans
	As a refugee, Germany would be my last choice! Tom

Oh c'mon, as bad as Toast Hawaii and Spaghetti-eis is, it's still not as bad as sharia law.

parnell · #94 28.08.2021, 11:26

	Quote:	olygirl
	The definition of racism is: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. "a programme to combat racism" Similar: racial discrimination racialism racial prejudice/bigotry xenophobia chauvinism bigotry bias intolerance anti-Semitism apartheid the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior* to one another.* Chuff is right. There was no prejudice, discrimination or antagonism involved. Just good intentions

Now look up "discrimination"

parnell · #95 28.08.2021, 11:29

	Quote:	olygirl
	It specifically says AMONG MUSLIMS WHO SAY THAT SHARIA SHOULD BE PART OF THE LAND... What about those Muslims who don't say that sharia should be part of the land? What percentage of Muslims say that sharia should be part of the land? Too many variables and I personally know many Muslims who don't believe in sharia.

Easily addressed -99% of Afghanis - as it was earlier :

	Quote:	olygirl
	This survey was meant to instill emotional outrage to those who refuse to read it correctly.

Please provide evidence backing this up other than your own prejudices.

olygirl · #96 28.08.2021, 11:31

	Quote:	parnell
	Easily addressed -99% of Afghanis - as it was earlier : Please provide evidence backing this up other than your own prejudices.

Your misuse of the survey is a typical characteristic of a racist.

NotAllThere · #97 28.08.2021, 11:31

	Quote:	olygirl
	It specifically says AMONG MUSLIMS WHO SAY THAT SHARIA SHOULD BE PART OF THE LAND... What percentage of Muslims say that sharia should be part of the land?

Here you go.

Percentage of Muslims who believe adultery should be punished by stoning to death.


	Russia 11% Kosovo 5% Albania 3% Bosnia-Herz. 3% Tajkistan 14% Kyrgyzstan 14% Kazakhstan 3% Turkey 2% Malaysia 52% Thailand 39% Indonesia 35% Pakistan 75% Afghanistan 84% Bangladesh 45% Palestinian terr. 75% Egypt 60% Jordan 48% Iraq 53% Lebanon 13% Tunisia 25%

You're welcome.

parnell · #98 28.08.2021, 11:32

	Quote:	olygirl
	Pakistan is heaving with Afghans. Iran as well. Taken from Swissinfo: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...ugees/46896730 Already by the end of 2020 there were 2.6 million registered Afghan refugees worldwide, meaning that more than one in ten refugees is Afghan, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCRExternal link). They are mainly in neighbouring Pakistan and Iran, but there are also over 300,000 Afghan refugees on European soil.

Population of Pakistan is 220m , Iran is 85m - you are simply wrong.Again.

parnell · #99 28.08.2021, 11:34

	Quote:	olygirl
	Your misuse of the survey is a typical characteristic of a racist.

I accept you cannot argue rationally and hence turn to insults. Proud of yourself?

FairDinkum · #**100** 28.08.2021, 11:38

Parnell, she also omitted to mention.. how come the afgani refugees are not shelterned by the big sheiks of Arabia... or Qatar and Dubai or other nice places around in the region

Why arent afgani taken to Malaysia? It's a same distance from afganistan to malaysia as afg-switzerland