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Afghan Refugees in Switzerland

Switzerland has been receiving a large number of Afghan refugees in recent years. They're being taught German and are learning trades.

Many of these Afghans had never received a proper education, never learned to read or write, were required to work from a tender age and ultimately fled the country due to various reasons, including escaping a death sentence issued by the Taliban. Their stories are heartwrenching and the future of Afghanistan remains in peril. Many will never see their families again.

So if you ever have the chance to meet an Afghan refugee, be aware that although they may have escaped a living hell, their pain and anxiety continue as they receive stories of tragedy and horror experienced by their families left behind.
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Re: Afghan Refugees in Switzerland

Sorry to sound insensitive here but whats the point of this thread?
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Sorry to sound insensitive here but whats the point of this thread?
Yes I am asking myself the same.


To add to the topic - I am a coach/mentor to 2 refugees from Afghanistan in building up their careers in IT, and integrating into life in CH.
Via https://powercoders.org/.
They did have some basic education back home; but I presume that those without (of which there might be plenty) would not be able to join the programme.
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I know one guy (Syrian) who did that course, and now has an unrestricted B permit and a good job.
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Sorry to sound insensitive here but whats the point of this thread?
I'd say that it signals there are people in fragile situation around us. I'd dare to add that there are people in fragile situation and they come from many different places.
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Sorry to sound insensitive here but whats the point of this thread?
Probably read a related news article and experienced a moment of burning sympathy that then resulted in some spontaneous virtue signalling.

Fact is, most refugees regardless of where they come from have a tragic backstory... otherwise they wouldn't be refugees. They all need to be treated with dignity and respect just the same as anyone else.
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Probably read a related news article and experienced a moment of burning sympathy that then resulted in some spontaneous virtue signalling.

Fact is, most refugees regardless of where they come from have a tragic backstory... otherwise they wouldn't be refugees. They all need to be treated with dignity and respect just the same as anyone else.
On the other hand is a good change of forum tone in regards with refugees.

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To add to the topic - I am a coach/mentor to 2 refugees from Afghanistan in building up their careers in IT, and integrating into life in CH.
Via https://powercoders.org/.
They did have some basic education back home; but I presume that those without (of which there might be plenty) would not be able to join the programme.
I know quite a few guys who volunteer for coaching in IT for refugees and marginalised youth. Great thing.
Respect.
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Re: Afghan Refugees in Switzerland

Few years ago, while learning German in Alemania, two of my schoolmates were Afghani, a woman who was microbiologist and a guy, who used to be a teacher. Both of them were between 40 and 50 years old, each come here with a spouse and children. They were happy for safety but they also knew that they will never be able to work in a field of their chosen profession.
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They were happy for safety but they also knew that they will never be able to work in a field of their chosen profession.
That's a lot more frequent than you imagine. Even with immigrants that just go to other country for work.

I wanted to learn German, asked my employer and refused to pay even a bit for it. So, I looked for the lowest cost option and found ECAP (ecap.ch). It's an NGO that gets cantonal support because it helps immigrants to integrate. The offer German, French or Italian courses depending on the canton.

Well, I get to my first course and I really like it because the course was aimed at practical things. The typical conversation to rent an apartment, buy a car, read a job ad and call. During A1 we mostly listened to the teacher. I learned I had colleagues from Portugal, Kosovo, Myanmar, Macedonia, Peru, Czechia. Cool mix.

When we got to A2 we started to talk to each other in German or something that resembles to it Half an hour was about talking to each other, and the teacher was a moderator. One topic that motivated us to talk was sales, where and when you could buy the cheapest _____ . Haha, great idea from the teacher that made talk even the shyest of the bunch.

One day the conversation topic was what is your dream job? and my jaw dropped to the floor because the situation is that frequent that my A2 book had 2 pages supporting the activity of the day.

My best buddy from the course was a mechanical engineer working as spengler, why? No German. An elementary school teacher feeling trapped as a housewife because low German level. 2 trained nurses getting the lowest paid job taking care of old people at their homes because low German level. An accountant working as cashier....out of 12 people only 3 of us had a job we liked or being trained at: a woman working in marketing in English, another woman coder working in English, and me working in French and English.

The 2 nurses were there making an effort in their 50s to learn German and get their dream jobs. Damned praiseworthy and that's exactly what I said to them in the apèro of our last day of course. Sometimes people says never give up, sometimes people put it in practice.

So, dignity and respect to all.....except to the drunkards occupying the train stations
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I really wish my Migros language courses had started here.
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Sorry to sound insensitive here but whats the point of this thread?
Perhaps she's trolling to see who gets triggered. Doesn't seem to have worked so far, which is quite nice really.
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Probably read a related news article and experienced a moment of burning sympathy that then resulted in some spontaneous virtue signalling.

Fact is, most refugees regardless of where they come from have a tragic backstory... otherwise they wouldn't be refugees. They all need to be treated with dignity and respect just the same as anyone else.
I started this thread after being deeply moved by a young man's story. He graciously and pragmatically told me about his reason for fleeing to Switzerland. I was floored to hear a first hand account of the brutality of the Sharia in Afghanistan.

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Perhaps she's trolling to see who gets triggered. Doesn't seem to have worked so far, which is quite nice really.
I, too, am grateful that reactions have been warm and understanding. I know most refugees have tragic tales to tell but this particular one was one of the most heartbreaking I've heard yet.

Eritreans usually leave their country because of forced military consignment without future prospects. However, most have had an education.

The Afghans, on the other hand, quite often have had little to no education and many leave to avoid death. Their will to survive, learn and become upstanding citizens here is, quite frankly, admirable and humbling.
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Re: Afghan Refugees in Switzerland

I work in labour market integration and we deal with many nations and cultures. At what point we had 36 people, 16 nations and just one swiss person
I can also say that my experience with people from Afghanistan is 99% very good. Yes with little education but when it comes to work mentality they are like machines! And yes many of them with their own story. Working with asylum seekers is a humbling experience.
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Working with asylum seekers is a humbling experience.
Absolutely. And even more if they are unacompanied minors. The stories are incredibly heavy wherever they are from.
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Absolutely. And even more if they are unacompanied minors. The stories are incredibly heavy wherever they are from.
My wife and I spents some time with a refugee 18 year old girl from Nigeria. She'd had to leave due to kidnapping threats against Christians by Islamists. She entered Switzerland overland via Libya.

In answer to the informed questions. Yes.
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I know one guy (Syrian) who did that course, and now has an unrestricted B permit and a good job.
From my experience of working in Middle East the Syrians are highly educated hence the fact Frau Merkel was happy to welcome them to alleviate the German skills shortage.
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As if to prove the absurdity of Merkel's policies even today the German kommandoes have rescued a family "living in Munich" from Kabul (link in German) and what were they doing in Kabul ? Visiting their grandma of course ! Now considering all the stuff that asylum seekers (and olygirl) swear up and down about the situation back home what does this say about modern Germany?
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Switzerland has been receiving a large number of Afghan refugees in recent years. They're being taught German and are learning trades.

Many of these Afghans had never received a proper education, never learned to read or write, were required to work from a tender age and ultimately fled the country due to various reasons, including escaping a death sentence issued by the Taliban. Their stories are heartwrenching and the future of Afghanistan remains in peril. Many will never see their families again.

So if you ever have the chance to meet an Afghan refugee, be aware that although they may have escaped a living hell, their pain and anxiety continue as they receive stories of tragedy and horror experienced by their families left behind.
What is "large number" in your opinion ? 10 ?

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Since Afghanistan fell back into Taliban hands, Bern has suspended deportations to that country and will grant over 200 humanitarian visas to Afghans who worked on Swiss projects. But Switzerland does not plan to accept large numbers of Afghan refugees. This is despite calls from civil society and the political left for it to do more.
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What is "large number" in your opinion ? 10 ?
Your lack of empathy never ceases to amaze me. I look forward to the day a mod finally bans you for trolling.

According to the below article, Switzerland accepted 14,523 refugees in 2020 alone.

https://theconversation.com/where-do...gees-go-166316
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Your lack of empathy never ceases to amaze me. I look forward to the day a mod finally bans you for trolling.

According to the below article, Switzerland accepted 14,523 refugees in 2020 alone.

https://theconversation.com/where-do...gees-go-166316

Empathy for whom ? For the girls who have been raped and assaulted ? For Afghans child rape is a large part of their "society"


It is interesting to me that you choose to discriminate towards one group who are incentivized to tell lies to come here - a place which has no history of Islamism - and discriminate against another group - those children and girls - who pay for this violence.
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