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Danielfb 27.03.2021 13:57

Caught driving in a neighbours only restricted area
 
There's some ongoing road renewing in our village and driving to the recycling area means you need to stop at a mobile traffic light, one of those that gives alternate pass. Obviously you always find it in red.
For the first time, on the way back home, to avoid the traffic light, i decided to take a short cut and drive through a restricted area for 'Zubringerdienst only'.
In the middle of the street there was a guy standing up there writing in a piece of paper the car plates of the cars passing by.
I know I did wrong, but I have some questions,..
Can a normal guy just pass the info to the police?
What could the penalty be?
Doesn't old Swiss people have better things to do on a Saturday morning?
Cheers,
Daniel

Jim2007 27.03.2021 14:10

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
Doesn't old Swiss people have not a better thing to do on a Saturday morning?


Why should anyone on a private road have to put up with you disturbing their peace on a Sunday morning, just because you could not be arsed to obey the rules?

Danielfb 27.03.2021 14:12

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3290315)
Why should anyone on a private road have to put up with you disturbing their peace on a Sunday morning, just because you could not be arsed to obey the rules?

This doesn't answer any of my questions. It was on Saturday, not Sunday.

k_and_e 27.03.2021 14:21

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You should have stopped when still being visible for the person and pretended that you put something in the letter box of a house. That would have made it a Zubringerdienst.

Sinking 27.03.2021 14:31

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Not sure a "normal guy" can pass the info to the police (it's his word against yours, after all). However: many residential areas now have cameras as well.

It is possible that the guy could go to the police, tell them x cars go through the area per day. This would probably prompt the police to install some security cameras or do some regular checks.

Back in the day (15 years or so), you got 100 chf for driving through a restricted area.

newtoswitz 27.03.2021 14:31

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If it's a private person then I don't suppose the police would want anything to do with it, since it would just be your word against theirs.

If it was the police, they would most likely have stopped you and asked where you were going.

I agree with the others though - please don't do this.

Danielfb 27.03.2021 14:32

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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3290320)
You should have stopped when still being visible for the person and pretended that you put something in the letter box of a house. That would have made it a Zubringerdienst.

Wow

st2lemans 27.03.2021 14:33

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290321)
Not sure a "normal guy" can pass the info to the police .

They can, and do.

Tom

Sinking 27.03.2021 14:42

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3290325)
They can, and do.

Tom

So what are you supposed to do, let's say, if a regular Joe decided to go the police with your license plate for whatever reason? How does he prove you were really there? And how do you prove you were not?

fatmanfilms 27.03.2021 14:45

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
There's some ongoing road renewing in our village and driving to the recycling area means you need to stop at a mobile traffic light, one of those that gives alternate pass. Obviously you always find it in red.
For the first time, on the way back home, to avoid the traffic light, i decided to take a short cut and drive through a restricted area for 'Zubringerdienst only'.
In the middle of the street there was a guy standing up there writing in a piece of paper the car plates of the cars passing by.
I know I did wrong, but I have some questions,..
Can a normal guy just pass the info to the police?
What could the penalty be?
Doesn't old Swiss people have better things to do on a Saturday morning?
Cheers,
Daniel

This happened to me in Basel (ZH reg car), the police flagged me into a white box parking space as it was at the time. They did their checks then asked where I was going. I pointed them to the house, about 3 doors away & got out of the car. He said you can't park there? I said why not it's an ordinary parking place which has not been marked no parking. The Police called it a day & went somewhere else :D

Guest 27.03.2021 14:53

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290321)
Not sure a "normal guy" can pass the info to the police (it's his word against yours, after all).

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 3290322)
If it's a private person then I don't suppose the police would want anything to do with it, since it would just be your word against theirs.

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3290325)
They can, and do.

Yes, I have first-hand experience of this. My wife's car was reported as being in a restricted area in Bern a few years back. Except it wasn't, but yes, a private individual had (incorrectly) noted the number plates and reported it to police, who then passed it on to the police in the village where we were resident, who then asked me to come in for an interview.

All without checking the vehicle description, which, IIRC, was of a red Toyota hatchback, as opposed to the white Audi TT convertible to which the plates were attached.:msnmad:

I was also able to show that we were both a couple of hundred km away, teaching skiing with the local ski school.

No idea what the fine would have been, as it was clearly a case of mistaken identity so the case was dropped.

Sinking 27.03.2021 15:14

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Yes, I have first-hand experience of this. My wife's car was reported as being in a restricted area in Bern a few years back. Except it wasn't, but yes, a private individual had (incorrectly) noted the number plates and reported it to police, who then passed it on to the police in the village where we were resident, who then asked me to come in for an interview.

All without checking the vehicle description, which, IIRC, was of a red Toyota hatchback, as opposed to the white Audi TT convertible to which the plates were attached.:msnmad:

I was also able to show that we were both a couple of hundred km away, teaching skiing with the local ski school.

No idea what the fine would have been, as it was clearly a case of mistaken identity so the case was dropped.
This sucks! Glad you were able to prove you were a couple of hundred km away.

fatmanfilms 27.03.2021 15:21

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290336)
This sucks! Glad you were able to prove you were a couple of hundred km away.

There is no need to prove your innocence, it's the police's job to prove guilt.

They needed an admission of guilt, which is why they interview people. There is no requirement to talk to them & many lawyers would advise against it.

Guest 27.03.2021 15:23

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290336)
This sucks! Glad you were able to prove you were a couple of hundred km away.

TBH I think that once I'd spotted that it was not our car that was not necessary, but I'd already looked at the date and gone prepared with that explanation before I was able to see the actual incident report.

So Swiss bureaucracy is not foolproof; I guess the problem stems from the fact that the plates are linked to the individual, not the car, so although the tiniest amount of checking would have revealed the mistake, the process clearly didn't include any such check.

Guest 27.03.2021 15:29

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3290338)
They needed an admission of guilt, which is why they interview people. There is no requirement to talk to them & many lawyers would advise against it.

If you've nothing to hide...

Seriously though, if I had outright refused to speak to them what do you think the outcome would have been? Given that they'd requested me to come in for interview, could I have refused even that?

Obviously in this case where we were 100% sure that we weren't, and never had been, in the locale specified on the complaint I was happy to talk to them, better to clear the matter up speedily. What would you have done in my place?

fatmanfilms 27.03.2021 15:32

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TBH I think that once I'd spotted that it was not our car that was not necessary, but I'd already looked at the date and gone prepared with that explanation before I was able to see the actual incident report.

So Swiss bureaucracy is not foolproof; I guess the problem stems from the fact that the plates are linked to the individual, not the car, so although the tiniest amount of checking would have revealed the mistake, the process clearly didn't include any such check.
Normally they ask questions before showing any evidence & generally are not the brightest. They even had my date of birth incorrectly written on the protocol that they asked me to sign. I refused to sign & then asked me what my date of birth was, I pointed to the last paragraph of the protocol that said he had no further questions :D Imagine having to explain to his superiors that he had screwed up such basic information.
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If you've nothing to hide...

Seriously though, if I had outright refused to speak to them what do you think the outcome would have been? Given that they'd requested me to come in for interview, could I have refused even that?

Obviously in this case where we were 100% sure that we weren't, and never had been, in the locale specified on the complaint I was happy to talk to them, better to clear the matter up speedily. What would you have done in my place?
Absolutely nothing, had they had the evidence they would have sent you a fine, no need to ask questions if they already have a case.
Had they issued a fine you could have appealed & they would have to pay your legal costs.

I would have asked them for their evidence first, when they said it was a red car, I would of said I don't have a red car & I have nothing further to say. What would there be to discuss?

newtoswitz 27.03.2021 15:57

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If you've nothing to hide...

Seriously though, if I had outright refused to speak to them what do you think the outcome would have been? Given that they'd requested me to come in for interview, could I have refused even that?

Obviously in this case where we were 100% sure that we weren't, and never had been, in the locale specified on the complaint I was happy to talk to them, better to clear the matter up speedily. What would you have done in my place?
Did they take any action against the person who made a false report?

Guest 27.03.2021 16:03

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 3290347)
Did they take any action against the person who made a false report?

No idea. I doubt it, given that it was almost certainly a genuine mistake, but who knows?

fatmanfilms 27.03.2021 16:24

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No idea. I doubt it, given that it was almost certainly a genuine mistake, but who knows?
Since when has making a 'genuine mistake' ever got anyone off a fine in Switzerland?

1) sorry going 3 km/h above the speed limit was a genuine mistake.

2) I did not see the sign, it was accepted as a genuine mistake'

Nosy neighbours who make false reports to the police should be fined like everybody else who makes a 'genuine mistake'

bowlie 27.03.2021 17:38

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I suspect if I went to the police with a complaint like that, they would just laugh at me. Mind you Iíd have to go to the Nyon police as our small village doesnít have any.

They really are much more laid back in romande!

Jim2007 27.03.2021 17:58

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290321)
Not sure a "normal guy" can pass the info to the police (it's his word against yours, after all).

If you go on to a private road of course the people there can complain about you. They own the road, they pay for itís maintenance and are charged by the community for any services the community provided in respect of the road. You wonít go wandering into their garden or home just because you felt like it, so would you think their private road is any different?

Jim2007 27.03.2021 18:04

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3290378)
I suspect if I went to the police with a complaint like that, they would just laugh at me. Mind you Iíd have to go to the Nyon police as our small village doesnít have any.

They really are much more laid back in romande!

Trespass on to a private road is no different trespassing in to someoneís garden or home, so I very much doubt the police will be as lay back as you think, if one of the owners lodge a formal complaint.

robBob 27.03.2021 18:27

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Next time pay attention to the road signs.
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st2lemans 27.03.2021 19:29

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3290382)
If you go on to a private road of course the people there can complain about you. They own the road, they pay for itís maintenance and are charged by the community for any services the community provided in respect of the road. You wonít go wandering into their garden or home just because you felt like it, so would you think their private road is any different?

They (roads for residents and deliveries, etc.) are NOT private roads, at least around here, they are public roads with limited access.

We have a true private road, access only to us, the neighbor, and the commune.

Tom

Jim2007 27.03.2021 23:21

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3290391)
They (roads for residents and deliveries, etc.) are NOT private roads, at least around here, they are public roads with limited access.

We have a true private road, access only to us, the neighbor, and the commune.

Tom


Of course there are private roads, I lived on one for years and had to pay for it every year and when it was take over by the community we had a final whopper of a bill to pay so the community took it over.

Danielfb 28.03.2021 00:10

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3290445)
Of course there are private roads, I lived on one for years and had to pay for it every year and when it was take over by the community we had a final whopper of a bill to pay so the community took it over.

Of course there are, but this one wasn't. Part of it must be paid by me as well, since it's in my village. When you just exit the recycling corner you can turn left and enter this street or turn right and go straight to the road under renovation, then you wait there 2 mins until you get green. It's really nerving.

Mrs. Doolittle 28.03.2021 08:22

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
There's some ongoing road renewing in our village and driving to the recycling area means you need to stop at a mobile traffic light, one of those that gives alternate pass. Obviously you always find it in red.

It does change to green, otherwise it would be broken, which I suspect is not the case.

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
For the first time, on the way back home, to avoid the traffic light, i decided to take a short cut and drive through a restricted area for 'Zubringerdienst only'.

Bad idea....

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
In the middle of the street there was a guy standing up there writing in a piece of paper the car plates of the cars passing by.

You are probably not the first person to do this. Maybe he is fed up.

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290310)
I know I did wrong, but I have some questions,..
Can a normal guy just pass the info to the police?
What could the penalty be?
Doesn't old Swiss people have better things to do on a Saturday morning?
Cheers,
Daniel

The better question to ask is why can't people your age just obey the temporary traffic light. What's the big hurry?

At the nearby park, they have installed signs which illustrate that horses are not allowed on the paths. Last week as I was walking the dog along the road a rider on a horse was just exiting the park, she was waiting to cross the road and the "no horses" sign was literally right next to her. Why is it so hard to obey signs and respect the rules?

st2lemans 28.03.2021 09:07

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3290445)
Of course there are private roads, I lived on one for years and had to pay for it every year and when it was take over by the community we had a final whopper of a bill to pay so the community took it over.

Yes, but the ones that are indicated residents only generally are NOT private roads, at least around here, and always were not restricted to residents in the past.

Tom

Landers 28.03.2021 21:53

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3290325)
They can, and do.

Tom

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3290327)
So what are you supposed to do, let's say, if a regular Joe decided to go the police with your license plate for whatever reason? How does he prove you were really there? And how do you prove you were not?

Tom's being literal. Like when you're a kid and you ask "can I <something>" and some smart-ass goes "I dunno - can you?"

Landers 28.03.2021 21:54

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3290338)
There is no need to prove your innocence, it's the police's job to prove guilt.

Unless you frequently park in a 6 hour parking zone near your (one's) house?
:msntongue:

MusicChick 28.03.2021 22:05

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3290613)
Tom's being literal. Like when you're a kid and you ask "can I <something>" and some smart-ass goes "I dunno - can you?"

Obama got that one sorted.

NotAllThere 28.03.2021 22:20

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Oh no. How dare they make a journey five minutes longer. Of course you should go down a road specifically marked as to only be used by resident and deliveries. How could you think otherwise?

Axa 28.03.2021 22:25

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3290388)
Next time pay attention to the road signs.
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But what if it's a shortcut? You can save 1-2 minutes by driving that way, 2 minutes!!!

Landers 28.03.2021 22:29

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3290634)
But what if it's a shortcut? You can save 1-2 minutes by driving that way, 2 minutes!!!

Around my way people seem to think it's ok as long as they drive in reverse.

Murloc 28.03.2021 23:02

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3290384)
Trespass on to a private road is no different trespassing in to someoneís garden or home, so I very much doubt the police will be as lay back as you think, if one of the owners lodge a formal complaint.

except OP didn't state this was a private road.

Most limited-access roads are not private. They just do it to eliminate parasitic traffic and blue-zone parking.

Private roads are marked as such.

Anyway how I have seen this is that you get spotted by one policeman and he radioes in the car descriptions to the other guys waiting behind the trees who stop you and fine you on the spot.

Urs Max 29.03.2021 19:40

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3290635)
Around my way people seem to think it's ok as long as they drive in reverse.

Bad idea, driving backwards has been fobidden in general for a few years now. Only allowed if you actually have to (no way forward and can't turn around), or to park/manoevre/unload/load up, or during driving lessons.

Danielfb 30.03.2021 07:36

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Lucky enough, I noticed yesterday, while walking nearby that the Gemainde have moved the starting of the neighbor's only area a few meters up so it includes now the recycling area in it, which, if it was already moved last Saturday, means that I didn't do anything wrong. It was stupid having to wait always on that traGic light.

st2lemans 30.03.2021 07:49

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Originally Posted by Danielfb (Post 3290980)
Lucky enough, I noticed yesterday, while walking nearby that the Gemainde have moved the starting of the neighbor's only area a few meters up so it includes now the recycling area in it, which, if it was already moved last Saturday, means that I didn't do anything wrong. It was stupid having to wait always on that traGic light.

Unless you dropped off some stuff to be recycled, you still did. :rolleyes:

Tom

Danielfb 30.03.2021 12:20

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3290982)
Unless you dropped off some stuff to be recycled, you still did. :rolleyes:

Tom

I did. :D

Danielfb 30.03.2021 12:25

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3290631)
Oh no. How dare they make a journey five minutes longer. Of course you should go down a road specifically marked as to only be used by resident and deliveries. How could you think otherwise?

I believe in anarchism. I am responsible enough to tell, by myself, right from wrong.


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