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11.04.2021, 09:47
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Some bathrooms do. It's called a wet room in the U.K. and the shower is quite often 'open plan'.  | | | | | What keeps the neighbors from peeping in?
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11.04.2021, 10:08
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Modern ones don't have a U-bend as such which needs a lot of depth. The still have a water-filled air lock but it is built into the hair-catcher of the drain and the total depth into the floor is only about 5cm.
Thy can be put in on any floor of a building. | | | | | Have you got a link to an example? We have something like this, but often get a sewage smell in the bathroom  , and I'm wondering if what we have is correct
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11.04.2021, 10:10
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Modern ones don't have a U-bend as such which needs a lot of depth. The still have a water-filled air lock but it is built into the hair-catcher of the drain and the total depth into the floor is only about 5cm.
Thy can be put in on any floor of a building. | | | | |
True, but these small traps only hold a tiny amount of water, which can easily dry up and then let the sewer smells through. Easily remedied with a quick pee in the shower, though
We have one of those "wet rooms" and for me it is really great. Being a bit older, I can also sit down on the side of the tub while showering, if I feel like it. And there is just so much more space to move than in these shower cabins.
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11.04.2021, 10:35
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | potruding pipes in the ceiling below, as the pipes always need to be angled down) | | | | | But it's just off level, not really an obvious angle so cant be a real issue, obviously needs to be done before the concrete is poured for the floor,
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11.04.2021, 10:50
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Some bathrooms do. It's called a wet room in the U.K. and the shower is quite often 'open plan'.  | | | | | Well yes, our new guest wet room has a massive double shower on a slight incline with a long drain by the wall. But this is a different concept altogether. The drain has a brushed stainless steel cover and about 1 metre long. Looks great.
I have only encountered drains in bathrooms in Southern Mediterranean countries and other very hot countries.
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11.04.2021, 10:53
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | I think they call those Italian showers. They’re very popular now.
It’s not quite the same as having the drain in the middle of the bathroom though. | | | | | It makes sense to be on the side - more aesthetically pleasing.
You could have one in the middle of the floor instead though - but why would you?
Hornbach sells one: | Quote: | |  | | | Have you got a link to an example? We have something like this, but often get a sewage smell in the bathroom , and I'm wondering if what we have is correct | | | | | Have a look on this google search page
I've found that after disassembly for cleaning, it's really easy to re-assembly them incorrectly so they don't deal and function properly.
Take yours apart (take a photo first!) and see whether it can go together another way.
One of our showers had a sewage drain smell intermittently and it turned out that the central part of the drain had been put in upside down!
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11.04.2021, 10:55
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | What keeps the neighbors from peeping in? | | | | | Probably nothing. Maybe the occupants just don't care.
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11.04.2021, 11:01
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | I've only once had a bathroom with a drain, that was in Amsterdam. But it was a tiny bathroom where the toilet and sink were basically in the shower   | | | | | I once spent a night in a mountain hut in Italy where the shower was actually in the toilet cubicle, directly above the pan. Very multifunctional ;-)
Given that the shower was cold water only, the weather was freezing and it was the hut's only toilet shared by about 30 people, nobody bothered to try it out!
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11.04.2021, 11:41
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room?
@Tom1234: nice bathrooms, especially the one with the view. And I agree, people who are peeping into others private life should be ashamed, and not the one who are objects of such a disrespectful deed.
When you make a shower like this, you usually use a linear drain, just a thin slot.
@OP: Swiss planning is very practical and they prefer to opt out any unnecessary element, every Rappen counts!!!  (ok, it is also traditional, but this is another story).
Floor drain is mostly there to prevent the damage after a water spilling, usually as a result of malfunctioned washing machines. Which are traditional in Switzerland not in the bathrooms. Hence no need for floor drain. And modern washing machines have this special valve that closes water in a case of a broken pipe. And don't forget that usually everything here is very well maintained, so again less accidents.
Even in the case of installing a drain, any half capable architect will put is somewhere, where it is hidden, under the toilet seat or under the cabinet with wash basin.
Finally, you really do not need floor drain to mop the floor.
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11.04.2021, 11:44
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room?
hence the request by agencies/owners- for a washing machine in bathroom to have approval and to be fitted by professional. Yes.
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11.04.2021, 11:49
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Finally, you really do not need floor drain to mop the floor. | | | | | This. The only bathroom floor drains I have experienced were in hospitals, schools and airports, for easier and frequent desinfection.
At home, I wouldn't want a floor hole directly hooked to canalisation if I am not using the drain every day.
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11.04.2021, 13:13
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | I lived in four different apartments since I moved to Switzerland. None of them has a drain in the toilet/bath room. This caused problems sometimes, for example, when you accidentally splashed water out from your shower.
In Asia, a drain is very common in a toilet/bath room. I really cannot think of an advantage of "not" having a drain.
Does anyone know? | | | | | Could it be that you have a problem that nobody else has? Just a thought...
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11.04.2021, 13:23
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Could it be that you have a problem that nobody else has? Just a thought... | | | | | Maybe you have two issues:
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2) Keeping your rubber duck under control
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11.04.2021, 18:39
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | The plumbing term (at least in Australia) is "floor waste"
In Switzerland, most sewerage piping is routed through the walls, to avoid putting any drainage piping in the flooring (requires either a thicker floor or potruding pipes in the ceiling below, as the pipes always need to be angled down)
To reduce the need for floor waste, Swiss baths and sinks are fitted with an overflow hole, which drains into the same pipe as the relevant drainage pipe. However these can get blocked, and I have experienced flooding myself as a result.
To be honest, I do find floor waste a better idea but can see why it is avoided here. | | | | | Makes sense.
Another point is comfort. People will avoid walking on a cold stone floor barefoot, so unless you have underfloor heating you need a warm climate.
Plus there's hair-yikes, when everybody leaves their hair wherever it's happened to drop. How's that handled with those open showers, is everybody expected to have personnel to clean up after them? Or do you flush yours across the entire room when done?
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11.04.2021, 18:56
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | I think they call those Italian showers. They’re very popular now. | | | | | As an Italian I never heard of that term. I read of "walk-in shower" instead.
In Italy the only place where I saw floor drains is old seaside apartments, where to save money the shower was ...the entire bathroom - no glass, no curtain and no dedicated space, you could sit on the WC while having a shower.
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11.04.2021, 19:20
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | As an Italian I never heard of that term. I read of "walk-in shower" instead.
In Italy the only place where I saw floor drains is old seaside apartments, where to save money the shower was ...the entire bathroom - no glass, no curtain and no dedicated space, you could sit on the WC while having a shower. | | | | | It’s a pretty common name for them amongst English speakers. https://www.latuilerie.com/en/italia...BoPpr1_zjeOse1 | This user would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post: | | 
11.04.2021, 19:29
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | It makes sense to be on the side - more aesthetically pleasing.
You could have one in the middle of the floor instead though - but why would you?
Hornbach sells one: 
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An Italian shower and a wet room with a drain in the floor are not exactly the same thing though.
An Italian shower just replaces a shower tray really and usually has a partition of some kind to separate it from the rest of the bathroom. The water runs towards the gully at the back in the same way that it would go down the drain in a shower tray.
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11.04.2021, 20:11
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room?
Simple reason: we are in Switzerland, NOT Sweden!
Tom
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11.04.2021, 20:15
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe you have two issues:
1) Reading skills
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11.04.2021, 20:23
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| | Re: why there is no drain in Swiss toilet/bath room? | Quote: | |  | | | It’s a pretty common name for them amongst English speakers.
| | | | | I have never heard that before. | Quote: | |  | | | An Italian shower and a wet room with a drain in the floor are not exactly the same thing though.
An Italian shower just replaces a shower tray really and usually has a partition of some kind to separate it from the rest of the bathroom. The water runs towards the gully at the back in the same way that it would go down the drain in a shower tray. | | | | | Not exactly. No.
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