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Re: work in switzerland without experience

a) I'll wait for things to get better, I won't go straight away.
b) I'm aware of that.
c)Do most people really speak all those languages? Well, I can speak Portuguese (I've heard there's a sizeable community of Portuguese living in Switzerland, perhaps that might be useful)English, Spanish, French and Italian and if necessary I'd be willing to learn German even though I do not intend to live in the German speaking part of Switzerland.
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Thatís great, but OP isnít Swiss ... I thought you needed a job or marriage / student assignment in order to move here ... you canít just say, Iím from the EU and want to live in Switzerland, correct? Happy to be wrong.

Best wishes OP, but unless you are moving with substantial savings, I would try working in Italy first and then relocating to Switzerland with an accepted job offer.
As an EU national you can certainly try and do that under the FMOP agreement Switzerland has with the EU. As said EU nationals can be here for up to 3 months as tourists and can look for work. If they haven't found one in that period they can then apply for an L job seeker permit for another 3 months providing they have sufficient funds to support themselves while they job hunt. If they still haven't found one after 6 months then they have to leave the country.

Non-EU nationals on the other hand need an employer to go through the non-EU hiring process to get them a permit before they can move here and take up the job.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

If the OP didn't have an EU nationality they would stand no chance of getting a job here.
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To be honest, there are no low skill jobs, there's only low-paid jobs..
There are certainly many low skilled jobs that require only the most basic education... stacking supermarket shelves and working as a cashier is one of them. Working in a warehouse is another. You do not need any particular acquired skills to do these jobs.

They are, however, very monotonous jobs so not suited to people who need intellectual stimulation as part of their working life.
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Thatís great, but OP isnít Swiss ... I thought you needed a job or marriage / student assignment in order to move here ... you canít just say, Iím from the EU and want to live in Switzerland, correct? Happy to be wrong.
You are wrong,

EU are free to come here and look for a job, and if they get one, they are free to stay.

They are also free to live in an EU country, and look for a job here, or there.

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a) I'll wait for things to get better, I won't go straight away.
b) I'm aware of that.
c)Do most people really speak all those languages? Well, I can speak Portuguese (I've heard there's a sizeable community of Portuguese living in Switzerland, perhaps that might be useful)English, Spanish, French and Italian and if necessary I'd be willing to learn German even though I do not intend to live in the German speaking part of Switzerland.
I think you can come here to look for a job if you have enough money to support yourself during this period. Or some relatives or friends willing to host you and help you look for a job. But some people here made a good point: are you ready to perform those kind of jobs that local people run away from? Considering your lack of work experience at 23 years of age I'm assuming not.

Why not try to come here as a student, continue your studies etc? You're not giving any details about you here - which exactly are the jobs you'd be able to perform. For instance in constructions you ought to have some previous experience, work ethics, willingness to learn on the site etc. If I'm thinking more of it, even those low skilled jobs require some skills not everyone possesses. How motivated are you? How willing to do whatever it takes? You're gonna compete against people who usually have a family to support, I never heard of a stronger motivation tbh.
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Re: work in switzerland without experience

Giordano,

I know several EU citizens who rocked up here with no work experience, some with no local language, and found cleaning jobs immediately. Some work for cleaning companies, some for private households cobbling several part time jobs together. All were able to get enough work, and quickly, to gain permits.

HOWEVER - this is hard work, often done in isolation. It is a job to put food on the table and a roof over your head, but do not underestimate how difficult it can be, and how that isolation can become something of a barrier to finding your feet here.

There is another paradox to working low skilled, low paid jobs: Some, perhaps many, employers can be wary of hiring young people who are clearly looking to move on to something better because those employees tend not to stay long enough to justify the cost of training and recruitment - which is considerable in Switzerland. Just a heads-up, so that you can think about how you present yourself when applying for such jobs.

Do you really have no experience at all? Other than languages, what are your soft skills, what non-work experiences or abilities do you have that might be parlayed into job skills? Perhaps that info might help us to suggest other possible routes for you.

I'll second what other posters are saying: Yes, as an EU citizen you can move here... but make sure you have plenty of money or a support network already here to help you get started.

And I'll second Greenmount's comment: Education.

Wishing you all the best.
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a) I'll wait for things to get better, I won't go straight away.
b) I'm aware of that.
c)Do most people really speak all those languages? Well, I can speak Portuguese (I've heard there's a sizeable community of Portuguese living in Switzerland, perhaps that might be useful)English, Spanish, French and Italian and if necessary I'd be willing to learn German even though I do not intend to live in the German speaking part of Switzerland.
Might want to consider GR where some speak Romanisch. Similar to Portuguese! Perhaps work on an alp farm making cheese. https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...rm-worker.html
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You are wrong,

EU are free to come here and look for a job, and if they get one, they are free to stay.

They are also free to live in an EU country, and look for a job here, or there.

Tom
Thanks, apologies I was misinformed.
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There are certainly many low skilled jobs that require only the most basic education... stacking supermarket shelves and working as a cashier is one of them.
I saw an advert for Lidl recently where they showed the rates of pay of their workers, different rates for different levels of qualifications. Yes, this includes a rate for someone with no formal training in the area.

https://corporate.lidl.ch/fr/newsroo...erce-de-detail
https://corporate.lidl.ch/de/newsroo...m-detailhandel
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Might want to consider GR where some speak Romanisch. Similar to Portuguese!
Once in Paris some people near me were speaking what sounded like Rumantsch, but it turned out to be Portuguese (I asked them).

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c)Do most people really speak all those languages? Well, I can speak Portuguese (I've heard there's a sizeable community of Portuguese living in Switzerland, perhaps that might be useful)English, Spanish, French and Italian and if necessary I'd be willing to learn German even though I do not intend to live in the German speaking part of Switzerland.
There is a sizeable portuguese-speaking population in the French-speaking area of Valais, and I note from name badges and accents that many of the staff in some of the shops around Monthey/Collombey, including Lidl that I previously mentioned, seem to be from that group.
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Re: work in switzerland without experience

I can't give you advice about the likelyhood of finding jobs, but I want to add to what people wrote - Switzerland is expensive and housing is very difficult to find.

I think your plan will be dependant on a couple of things...

1. Can you afford living in here while you look for a job...
- Can your savings take the hit of the high cost of living here while you look for a job.
- Do you have friends or family with whom you can stay?
- Will you be able to cook meals, or will you have to buy meals?

2. Do you have any kind of social network here who can help you navigate the system here - or are you completely on your own?

3. The job market - here are I have no idea. Obviously, tons more people are out of work due to the pandemic (not as bad as in other countries, but not ideal).

Good luck... if it does work out for you, come back and post some tips and advice for anyone who wants to try in the future.
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Hi! I'm 23 and I'm considering moving to the french-speaking part of Switzerland, I have a fairly reasonable level in the french language but I don't have work experience yet. My idea would be to go to Switzerland and initially work in low-skilled jobs and then as time goes by I would seek qualifications so that I can reach better jobs. Is that doable? I'm completely aware that it will be very hard, but I'm willing to do that.
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the low-skilled jobs will probably suffice for you to live in a shared appartment with a few other young people and to live sparingly (buy food, live not not die). Do not underestimate the costs for rent, mobile phone plans, food, transport, plane tickets to see the family. you also need to pay each month 3-400 CHF medical insurance out of you netto income. Except food, everything costs 3x as much as anywhere else in the EU. Just renting a studio apartment is around 800-1200/Month (800 with shared shower), a generous deposit of 2 Months Rent must be paid and electricity + radio tax are not included in the monthy rent.

What is your plan to seek qualifications so that you can reach better jobs?
every qualification here takes at least 3-4 years in school+company/university to earn. Who is going to support you during these years?

"Every qualification" means literally, every. For example for a clerk job you need a Kaufmšnnische Ausbildung which requires 4 years combined school+Lehrstelle in a company.

Which is your field of activity where you have already studied?

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I saw an advert for Lidl recently where they showed the rates of pay of their workers, different rates for different levels of qualifications. Yes, this includes a rate for someone with no formal training in the area.

https://corporate.lidl.ch/fr/newsroo...erce-de-detail
https://corporate.lidl.ch/de/newsroo...m-detailhandel
only that if you apply for this job they send you the standard answer "we have found somebody that is a closer match for the position". Have seen this.
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only that if you apply for this job they send you the standard answer "we have found somebody that is a closer match for the position". Have seen this.
Well sure, they're offering (what I assume to be, within their sector) decent rates of pay, they can be choosy about which applicants they invite for interview.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. I posted the link simply to confirm that jobs for unqualified staff do exist in the retail sector, not in any way suggesting that anyone could just walk into one. And of course unqualified is not the same as inexperienced.
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I saw an advert for Lidl recently where they showed the rates of pay of their workers, different rates for different levels of qualifications. Yes, this includes a rate for someone with no formal training in the area.

https://corporate.lidl.ch/fr/newsroo...erce-de-detail
https://corporate.lidl.ch/de/newsroo...m-detailhandel
Interesting. Those differences are pretty negligible though and the training I assume is provided by Lidl. For example 2 years training nets you just 40chf more per month or 20r per hour? Ouch.

- 4,360 francs for non-trained employees (on a basis of CHF
24.50 per hour)
- 4,400 francs for employees with two-year training
(on a basis of CHF 24.70 per hour)
- 4,500 francs for employees with three-year training (on a basis of CHF 25.30 per hour)

Still, for the level of work they are better than you find in most other countries!

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Re: work in switzerland without experience

Saw this today "From zero to Hero"

https://www.20min.ch/video/ich-arbei...s-884424010132

She started at McDonalds, finished her studies & today she runs 5 restaurants & 2 hotels.

Good luck & follow your dreams!
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You are wrong,

EU are free to come here and look for a job, and if they get one, they are free to stay.

They are also free to live in an EU country, and look for a job here, or there.

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Interesting. Those differences are pretty negligible though and the training I assume is provided by Lidl. For example 2 years training nets you just 40chf more per month or 20r per hour? Ouch.

- 4,360 francs for non-trained employees (on a basis of CHF
24.50 per hour)
- 4,400 francs for employees with two-year training
(on a basis of CHF 24.70 per hour) - 4,500 francs for employees with three-year training (on a basis of CHF 25.30 per hour)
Yes, the differential is tiny, but it's worth noting that these are minimum rates, so it's entirely possible that more qualified people, presumably with more experience too, will be on somewhat higher levels than that.

As for the training, I read the release as giving the rates for new employees, so assumed that this is based on previous formal training; in the French version they use the word "formation", which generally refers to a recognised course of some sort. The German "Lehre" perhaps doesn't imply quite the same thing.

Edit: Re-reading I realise this is not specifically for new employees, so that may not be completely correct, i.e. it doesn't apply only to training before employment; but it does still seem to imply that it's more than just on-the-job training.

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Neuch‚tel has a minimum wage for all.
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