 | | 
19.04.2021, 09:40
| Member | | Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 139
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 91 Times in 55 Posts
| | Who are verwaltung answerable to
Hello
I live in a community of owned houses and currently have a few issues with the verwaltung and their competencies.
We have some representatives but they are all for the quiet life so don't engage with controversy too much.
Would anyone know if these verwaltungs are answerable to anyone anywhere please? Or how can I find out how they are run? What are the correct procedures, rules and regulations and so on?
I've gone to admin.ch before but I was wondering how to check how it all works.
Thanks a lot
| 
19.04.2021, 09:45
|  | Moderately Dutch | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,804
Groaned at 386 Times in 324 Posts
Thanked 15,431 Times in 7,122 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
The Verwaltung has to report to the owners. They can act under the provision set by the law and/or owners.
| The following 5 users would like to thank roegner for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 09:46
| Member | | Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 139
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 91 Times in 55 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
Yes I realise that, but where is the law written or visible?
Last edited by justpassingby; 19.04.2021 at 09:47.
Reason: added visible
| 
19.04.2021, 10:13
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,042
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 1,321 Times in 658 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
The rules are in the Obligationenrecht (OR). The rules for renting start with Art 253a https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...e#part_2/tit_8
The Verwaltung needs to act according to Vertrag or Auftrag. Also Obligationenrecht.
What exactly are you looking for?
| The following 2 users would like to thank irish_temptation for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 10:19
| Member | | Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 139
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 91 Times in 55 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
Yes that's what I'm looking for, thanks, but home owners in a community and not renters.
There's a lot there, how would I find it for home owners. We're all home owners in the community, administrated by the verwaltung.
| 
19.04.2021, 10:20
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,754
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,537 Times in 2,076 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Are we talking about the joint administration of a group of properties (what we would call "factors" in the UK) or the rental agency.
I think the former - in which case they answer to the property owners per the deeds of the development, usually one apartment = one vote.
Other than usual agency law ( https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...1/chap_1/lvl_G) I don't think there's specific law relating to factors, and they have no relationship to someone who is renting.
The renter only has a relationship to the owner, usually via the owners agent the rental agency.
| 
19.04.2021, 10:24
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,042
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 1,321 Times in 658 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to | Quote: | |  | | | Yes that's what I'm looking for, thanks, but home owners in a community and not renters.
There's a lot there, how would I find it for home owners. We're all home owners in the community, administrated by the verwaltung. | | | | | Are you talking about Stockwerkeigentum? You have an apartment that you own in a building where others also own an apartment? Maybe start here https://www.stockwerk-eigentum.ch/#:.../tit_19/chap_3.
| This user would like to thank irish_temptation for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 10:26
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,042
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 1,321 Times in 658 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to | The following 2 users would like to thank irish_temptation for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 10:29
| Member | | Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 139
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 91 Times in 55 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
Yes that's exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks a lot, that really helps.
| 
19.04.2021, 10:38
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,602
Groaned at 2,592 Times in 1,849 Posts
Thanked 39,699 Times in 18,715 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
They answer to the owners.
The owners decide the rules that the administrators must adhere to.
If the owners are unhappy, they can fire them and hire a new one.
We did that a few years ago.
Tom
| The following 2 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 10:45
| Member | | Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 139
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 91 Times in 55 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to
I did a bit of checking about the competition and it seems like they're a bit all the same to a certain extent. Sometimes it's better to explain to existing incompetents where they're going wrong and fix it.
First I want to get all my facts correct.
Were/are you happier with the new ones? Was there a noticeable improvement.
| 
19.04.2021, 10:47
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,602
Groaned at 2,592 Times in 1,849 Posts
Thanked 39,699 Times in 18,715 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to | Quote: | |  | | | Were/are you happier with the new ones? Was there a noticeable improvement. | | | | | It was just a question about money, though I also found the old one to be a jerk.
Tom
| The following 2 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post: | | 
19.04.2021, 11:53
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
| | Re: Who are verwaltung answerable to | Quote: | |  | | | Yes that's what I'm looking for, thanks, but home owners in a community and not renters.
There's a lot there, how would I find it for home owners. We're all home owners in the community, administrated by the verwaltung. | | | | | If you're one of the owners, you'll have to call in a "Eigentümerversammlung" (meeting of condominium owners), giving the subject you want to discuss.
| This user would like to thank curley for this useful post: | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:30. | |